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02-12-24 14:18 #2459
Posts: 3202Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
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02-12-24 13:36 #2458
Posts: 155Why is this stupid war still going? Shouldn't Russia have won long time ago.
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02-12-24 11:51 #2457
Posts: 323Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
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02-12-24 11:24 #2456
Posts: 1680Elvis
You missed my question. Let me repost. Read everything up to the question: "Did you pick that up in the interview?" Do you believe that Russia has rights to current Ukrainian territory, certain regions and perhaps the whole country based on distance history going back many centuries? This is Putin's angle that he's been quite clear about. Also what do you think of the Russian-Ukraine Friendship Treaty of 1999 that confirms the present borders?
Elvis, according to my source (Washington Post) Carlson prodded out of Putes that he feels Russia has historic rights to parts of Ukraine, notably the Donbass and Crimea if not more, and that in fact was the reason for the invasion, not some fear of NATO as the hard right in the States wants to think. Carlson reportedly stated that he was "shocked" by that. But it makes perfect sense as prior to the invasion Putes gave a rambling history lesson going back hundreds of years that relatively few professional historians agree with. But it's neither here nor there as the Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty was ratified in 1999 which confirmed the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, ie. Donbass and Crimea are Ukraine. Did you pick that up in the interview? Here's the source but it's behind a paywall for most of you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...tin-interview/
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02-12-24 11:10 #2455
Posts: 1680Xpartan Retry
Were you trying to install imbedded links? If so they didn't take, and may not be possible on this site.
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02-12-24 07:47 #2454
Posts: 3202Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
As for why there was an invasion, Putin said Russia and Ukraine had disputes since 2008, the Minsk accords were signed to stop the fighting but he said they were being violated by Ukraine (probably his biggest reason for the invasion). He also pointed to the rise of neonazism in Ukraine with the associated aggression towards Russia, and Ukraine bombing the Donbas region, and the rise of Western mercenaries and training of Ukrainian soldiers. He gave the impression he launched a pre-emptive strike and attacked Ukraine before Ukraine attached Russia.
Now you can say that is all nonsense which is fine, but that was his explanation not the notion that Ukraine belonged to Russia.
And you may say that fear of invading Russia is poppycock. No one would invade Russia but there is this guy Peter Zeihan who seems to be very well plugged into the CIA and the neocon way of thinking. And in this video he openly speculates about Poland launching an aggressive and expansive war against Russia. It was shocking to me to say the least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRoDjUcVOPY.
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02-11-24 20:23 #2453
Posts: 3202Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
In her book The Plot, former Tory MP Nadine Dorries, a hardcore Boris partisan, proudly wrote that Boris was responsible for killing a peace deal with Russia over Ukraine as it was "the right thing to do," in Boris's apparent words.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ine-peace-deal
Then you look at the Bojo video and all he does is the same thing everyone on the left is saying: Don't listen to Tucker Carlson and Putin! That practically confirmed for me what the truth was.
All Putin did was confirm an already known fact. He even has the documentation to back up what he said.
But the key point for Americans is this:
Tucker: Do you think NATO is worried about this becoming a global war or a nuclear conflict?
Putin: At least that's what they are talking about. And they are trying to intimidate their own population with an imaginary Russian threat. This is an obvious fact. And thinking people, not philistines, those who are engaged in real politics, just smart people, understand perfectly well that this is a fake. They are trying to fuel the Russian threat.
Tucker: The threat I think you are referring to is a Russian invasion of Poland, Latvia, expansion.
Putin: We have no interest in Poland, Latvia or anywhere else. Why would we do that? Invade Poland? We simply don't have any interest. It's just threat mongering.
Tucker: Well, the argument, and I know you know this, is, well he invaded Ukraine, he has territorial aims across the continent, and you are saying unequivocally you don't.
Putin: It is absolutely out of the question. You don't have to be any kind of analyst, it goes against common sense to get involved in some kind of global war. And a global war would bring all of humanity to the brink of destruction. It's obvious. They have been scaring everyone with us, all along. Tomorrow Russia will use tactical nuclear weapons, tomorrow Russia will use that. No, the day after tomorrow. So what? In order to extort additional money from US taxpayers and European taxpayers in the confrontation with Russia.
Tucker: Chuck Schumer, said yesterday, that we have to continue funding the Ukrainian effort or US soldiers could wind up fighting there. How do you assess that?
Putin: This is a provocation, and a cheap provocation at that. I do not understand why American soldiers should fight in Ukraine. There are mercenaries from the United States there. The bigger number of mercenaries comes from Poland. Does the United States need this? What for? Thousands of miles away from your national territory. Don't you have anything better to do? You have issues on the border, issues on migration, issues with the national debt, more than $33 trillion dollars. You have nothing better to do so you fight in Ukraine. Realizing Russia will fight for its interests until the end.
End Transcript.
Thing I do not think Democrats get is that after Russiagate, all those millions of people who voted for Trump are going to be incredibly skeptical of Democrats and the intelligence agencies.
Is there anything outside of speculation that Putin is going to invade Europe after Ukraine? I do not see a compelling case that Putin goes into Europe. I am not even sure he could if the wanted to.
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02-11-24 19:32 #2452
Posts: 1947Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
Tucker Carlson interview: Fact-checking Putin's 'nonsense'.
Putin, in rambling interview, barely lets Tucker Carlson get a word in.
Putin's Myths About Ukraine, Debunked.
Putin Used Tucker Carlson to Wipe the Kremlin's Floor.
Instead he went to the old and tested Zero Hedge, the source he knew wouldn't upset him or challenge his deranged viewpoints.
I don't know. If people like Elvis represent tens of millions of MAGAns (and I think he does represent them perfectly), then our future prospects are bleak. Ideology is one thing, but their admiration, their willingness to embrace the sworn enemy of this country who's threatening to annihilate us in nuclear holocaust is something else entirely. Reagan isn't turning in his grave -- he's spinning.
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02-11-24 19:09 #2451
Posts: 1947The confirmation
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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02-11-24 15:32 #2450
Posts: 1680P.s.
Elvis, according to my source (Washington Post) Carlson prodded out of Putes that he feels Russia has historic rights to parts of Ukraine, notably the Donbass and Crimea if not more, and that in fact was the reason for the invasion, not some fear of NATO as the hard right in the States wants to think. Carlson reportedly stated that he was "shocked" by that. But it makes perfect sense as prior to the invasion Putes gave a rambling history lesson going back hundreds of years that relatively few professional historians agree with. But it's neither here nor there as the Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty was ratified in 1999 which confirmed the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, ie. Donbass and Crimea are Ukraine. Did you pick that up in the interview? Here's the source but it's behind a paywall for most of you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...tin-interview/
But in any case it's ironic, as Putin is a war criminal and belongs at The Hague getting interrogated, not doing a sit-down with Carlson.
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02-11-24 14:02 #2449
Posts: 1680Elvis
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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02-09-24 07:29 #2448
Posts: 3202Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
The comments on Zero Hedge were overwhelmingly the same. Man, do we wish we had a leader this intelligent and rational.
He pretty much took apart the whole neocon globalist argument piece by piece.
I can expect the same you want to suck Putin's dick comments again here.
Thing is what I would like to see is someone take down Putin's case instead of the stupid insults, but that is never going to happen.
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02-08-24 05:51 #2447
Posts: 1680Yo Queen
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
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02-07-24 15:07 #2446
Posts: 323Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
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02-07-24 06:33 #2445
Posts: 2793Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]