Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Questner]

What do you want to say here?

BTW, I crossed the Dnjepr bridge at Cherson many times; I know Crimea very well, even attending a few times "Z" over there.

And I know Putler from my years in Peter.

However, I condemn Putler for his aggression onto their brothers. Although Russians always had some type of "Herrenmenschen" attitude.

Kudos to you. My post was addressed to ISG's prolific arm chair generals. As for the President, this horrible disaster reflects visibly upon him also. What choice in realpolitik has he got? No one ever wanted even a scratch on a hand.

[WyattEarp]

Henry the K and Tricky Dick's "Make the Economy Scream" (in Chile). Would not have worked for Putler in "influencing" Ukraine. CIA sponsored coup ousting Victor Y ?

Possible. So what now, 400 pound incels living in mom's basement? Does Finland in NATO raise your hackles? Putler could care less, he says. Too bad Fat Nixon is being neutered. Could have ended the Special Military Operation in a day.

Was this written by ChatGPT the AI chatbot? Just curious.

[Elvis 2008]

Uh. Nobody is pro Russia here, I don't think, certainly not me. If the Dallas Cowboys play a High school team I know who is going to win. This is not pro or con just a reality. From your post you've either been watching way too much western media or listening to that idiot Millie our joint chief of staff. Yes their narrative is clear as they will keep pumping weapons and money in there until no Ukraine soldiers are left. This is all promoted by the military industrial complex just like every other stupid war we've been involved with. And when its over, will we will walk away just like we always do. I feel sorry for the Ukraine people, and do not approve of Russia's actions. But Ukraine winning, they have no chance, never did.

Good post. JM's whole concept that we did not provoke Russia is crazy. There are so many videos that show otherwise but the two best ones I have seen are here:

https://www.cc.com/video/y1wxc3/the-...sis-in-ukraine

https://rumble.com/v1m0df8-the-colbe...-02242014.html

The guest on the Colbert report, back when Steven Colbert was funny, even said we wanted to prevent Russia from attacking Ukraine. So fear of provoking a Russian invasion was present back in 2014 and the soothing words to keep back an invasion apparently were no longer spoken. Biden said to Putin he would not rule out Ukraine joining NATO, and Russia invaded shortly after that.

Matt Taibbi, one of the few journalists I trust, has said that there are now two parties in Washington. They are not Republican and Democrat but pro-war and anti-war. Trump and Bernie Sanders are anti-war and HRC and Biden are in the pro-war party. If you are in the antiwar party, you can expect what Trump got today and what Bernie Sanders got in the primaries.

The setup is the same. Build up a guy or guys to be the epitome of evil. And then give the military industrial complex trillions to knock him out of power and watch as things get even worse in said country. We have seen this movie before with Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, and the Taliban. And anyone who objects to that money being spent on this nonsense abroad is told, "What is a matter with you, you love Hussein, Gaddafi, the Taliban, or Putin?

And you are right. The Ukrainian people will suffer the same fate as those in Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan while the military industrial complex lines its pockets. If you oppose them, well, you end up dead like JFK or charged like Trump. Biden was building up for war on literally the first day he was in office.

[Jmsuttr]

Henry the K and Tricky Dick's "Make the Economy Scream" (in Chile). Would not have worked for Putler in "influencing" Ukraine. CIA sponsored coup ousting Victor Y ?

Possible. So what now, 400 pound incels living in mom's basement? Does Finland in NATO raise your hackles? Putler could care less, he says. Too bad Fat Nixon is being neutered. Could have ended the Special Military Operation in a day.

Here's just one of many articles debunking the tired "CIA coup" cliche:

https://bitterwinter.org/myth-of-the...kraine-2-2014/

Article highlights:

1. Little Victor already had a sketchy political history in Ukraine.

"Viktor Yanukovych, the politician whose presidential election was annulled by the Supreme Court for electoral fraud in 2004".

2. Little Victor won the 2010 election with less than 50% of the vote. And he ran on an electoral platform that was specifically in favor of integration with the EU.

"Yanukovych ran again for President in 2010, with a platform that included Ukraine's request to become part of the European Union. He won the election by obtaining in the second turn 48.95% of the vote against 45.47% of his opponent Julia Tymosenko".

3. After his election, not only did Little Victor arrest his political rival (Tymosenko) but he completely reneged on his commitment to EU integration.

"On November 21,2013, Yanukovych abruptly announced that he would not sign the Association Agreement with the European Union that had been agreed upon, and would rather enter into a treaty of economic cooperation with Russia. This was a complete about-face with respect to the program on which he had been elected".

4. Little Victor cemented his reputation as Putin's lackey when he adopted the Russian whitewashed view of the Stalin-orchestrated Holodomor famine.

"When Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper during his visit to Ukraine went to pay his respects to the victims of the Holodomor, many of whom were ancestors of Canadian Ukrainians, at the Kiev memorial of the genocide, Yanukovych declined to participate and told Harper there had been no genocide. As some scholars have noted, many non-Ukrainians failed to understand the enormity of Yanukovych's claim. It was as if a president of Israel would publicly deny the Holocaust".

5. If 1-4 (above) are thought of as the kindling, this next highlight is what actually lit the fire.

"What started in Maidan Square as a small and peaceful protest mostly by university students escalated to violence and to a revolution, which was called Euromaidan or the Revolution of Dignity. What changed the course of the events was the brutal repression of the students by police on November 29. Dozens of students were badly beaten. Many who went to Maidan Square after November 29 would probably not have protested for the European Union, but took to the streets to denounce police brutality, which they regarded as evidence of the authoritarian drift of the Yanukovych government".

One final point made in the article is that the estimates of protesters in Kyiv range from 400,000 to 800,000. So, in order to believe in the "CIA" myth, you have to deny each of those protesters their individual agency. Each one of those people made an individual decision to actively join the protests. If you think the CIA can mind-control hundreds of thousands of people, then I have a bridge across the Kerch Strait to sell you.

Or, one can take the "Occam's Razor" approach and consider the plain facts of the matter. Little Victor did not have a large base of support and, after reneging on a key campaign promise and adopting a Holodomor-denial position, flushed the remainder of his support down the toilet. Then, thinking he could stay in power using brutal and repressive tactics, he lit the match that sent him crashing, burning, and fleeing to Russia.

[Beijing4987]

Henry the K and Tricky Dick's "Make the Economy Scream" (in Chile). Would not have worked for Putler in "influencing" Ukraine. CIA sponsored coup ousting Victor Y ?

Possible. So what now, 400 pound incels living in mom's basement? Does Finland in NATO raise your hackles? Putler could care less, he says. Too bad Fat Nixon is being neutered. Could have ended the Special Military Operation in a day.

[VinDici]

to know where the front line at the moment is basic.

To not attack your brothers, rape their women, steal their children and lie constantly is also basic, much more so.

[Reiner Otto]

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I'm not asking anyone have you ever been to Crimea or Donbass ...

What do you want to say here?

BTW, I crossed the Dnjepr bridge at Cherson many times; I know Crimea very well, even attending a few times "Z" over there.

And I know Putler from my years in Peter.

However, I condemn Putler for his aggression onto their brothers. Although Russians always had some type of "Herrenmenschen" attitude.

[Jmsuttr]

Have you got brain freeze, too much chocolate ice cream? Yanukovich, although corrupt, was a duly elected President of Ukraine. What do you mean by saying 'get rid of'? Do you get you can't seat on both chairs. Until the coup Russia tried her best to live peacefully with Ukraine.

Whatever internal issues were happening WITHIN Ukraine, Russia had NO fucking right to cross the borders. Russia had plenty of infuence in post-Soviet Ukraine, both directly and through proxies. It's clear from the way things unfolded that Ukraine wants to have a future in Europe and NOT in Russia's sphere of influence. If that wasn't the case, then Russia would have been welcomed in the way that Putin delusionally thought would happen. The fact that Ukraine has resisted tooth-and-nail, INCLUDING in predominantly Russian-speaking areas, is proof positive that Ukrainians want Putin and his Orcs to fuck off to hell.

[Jmsuttr]

'Hey you, stop scaring the ostrich!

I'm not asking anyone have you ever been to Crimea or Donbass, or have ever tried to swim across the river Dnepr, but to know where the front line at the moment is basic.

Nice going! It's kind of like Nero fiddling while Rome burned. Except that it's Questner diddling (himself) while the Russian imvaders burn.

[Jmsuttr]

This type of ignorant babble always amazed me. Incomprehensible pile of nonsense.

Too bad the best you can do is post infantile videos and images. It's no surprise that you'd find anything beyond two syllables to be incomprehensible.

[Questner]

'Hey you, stop scaring the ostrich!

I'm not asking anyone have you ever been to Crimea or Donbass, or have ever tried to swim across the river Dnepr, but to know where the front line at the moment is basic.

[Questner]

Putin. All he had to do when his puppet Victor Yunokovich was president was to get rid of 5-6 oligarchs, his main enemies, didn't do it, the oligarchs got help from the west, revolution, and replaced his puppet with their own.

Putin got a 2nd chance when his buddy Trump was in power and again he failed.

How can a top spy fail so miserably?

I know some people think highly of Putin but the fact is he's dumb, and now he's a war criminal.

Have you got brain freeze, too much chocolate ice cream? Yanukovich, although corrupt, was a duly elected President of Ukraine. What do you mean by saying 'get rid of'? Do you get you can't seat on both chairs. Until the coup Russia tried her best to live peacefully with Ukraine.

[Questner]

What you fail to note is that 'that little country' is backed by the USA, E.U. , and NATO. At least for now. The only way that Russia wins is if Trump, or maybe DeSantis wins in the next election and convinces congress to stop funding.

Ukraine has fought Russia to a stalemate without any tanks, very few planes, and USA Tech from the early 90's. Once the 150+ promised advanced tanks arrive, a few pilots get trained on F-16's, and the US sends some things from more recent than 30 YEARS AGO! . Stuff will move.

Russia's supposed trump card is their nuclear stockpile. Even if they were to deploy one of those, and it miraculously worked, they'd be 10x worse off and it would lead to the ware being ended by 'the adults in the room.' Putin knows that it would be his downfall as the USA Would respond with overwhelming firepower and likely boots on the ground. Russia would be out of the occupied territories in a week, and should the US want to, we'd be in Red Square within a month. Putin would be overthrown and likely killed.

You can call this hubris, and there is a good dose of that, but more so my position is based upon the absolute shit show of a performance that has been Russia so far.

This type of ignorant babble always amazed me. Incomprehensible pile of nonsense.

[Jmsuttr]

And the restaurant where he got blasted is reportedly owned by (wait for it) Prigozhin of PMC Wagner fame. While giving a speech in front of a Z-group, Tatarsky was handed a statue (a bust of his likeness) and that bust turned into a big-bada-boom! I guess his 500 K channel followers will now have to be satisfied with watching archived videos, unless he manages to find a way to post fresh content from hell.

Russia is blaming Ukraine AND Navalny (at the same time). IMO, the likelier scenario is either infighting (or jockeying for position) within the ultra-nationalist faction OR the Kremlin (FSB or GRU) is sending a message to other milblogger critics (like Girkin).

There are also reports that Putin has given him a posthumous award. He's the first to receive the "Order of the Defunct Narcissist" medal, but he probably won't be the last.

You can see relevant videos and posts at this link (click 'latest' to sort by most recent):

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Tata...ed_query&f=top

And they've arrested a young woman who is reportedly an anti-war activist. That seems far too convenient and I highly doubt she possesses the expertise to craft an explosive device that's hidden inside a statue. In some of the videos, Tatarsky is seen opening the box, handling the bust, and putting it down. I'm not an explosives expert, but it seems to me that the device was probably remotely detonated. That's some expert-level shit right there, IMO.

[Jmsuttr]

Uh. Nobody is pro Russia here, I don't think, certainly not me. If the Dallas Cowboys play a High school team I know who is going to win. This is not pro or con just a reality. From your post you've either been watching way too much western media or listening to that idiot Millie our joint chief of staff. Yes their narrative is clear as they will keep pumping weapons and money in there until no Ukraine soldiers are left. This is all promoted by the military industrial complex just like every other stupid war we've been involved with. And when its over, will we will walk away just like we always do. I feel sorry for the Ukraine people, and do not approve of Russia's actions. But Ukraine winning, they have no chance, never did.

And, as I specifically pointed out, that kind of flawed reasoning isn't limited to any one viewpoint.

In stark contrast, the correct approach is to use observable facts to inform your own opinions. BTW, your use of a facile (flawed) analogy is another quintessential example of sloppy thinking. In your mind the Russian military = the Dallas Cowboys and Ukraine's forces = a High School team. You slap a "reality" label on this when it's nothing more that a construct that lives in your own brain. And, because you're locked into this view, you conveniently ignore or downplay any facts that contradict it. Consider, for example, that your "Dallas Cowboys" have been pushed steadily backward for over a year. Wow, how is it that the high school team is consistently winning at the line of scrimmage? And how many fumbles and other critical mistakes has the "pro" team made?

While I doubt you'll read it, here's an interesting look at some other inconvenient facts. Ukraine was never weaker or more vulnerable than immediately after the invasion. And yet they were able to repel Russian forces from the outskirts of Kyiv. Here's one account of how that happened, which I'm happy to post for any forum member who might be interested:

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/04/...inian-capital/

A quick scan will reveal how pathetically poor the Orc army performed (and that was at their high point). They've gone steadily downhill since. Meanwhile, support for Ukraine has ramped up and I see no signs of it being scaled back.

I get my information from many sources, and I rigorously check to see whether they're reporting actual facts or simply regurgitating narrative. Your posts sound just like the nonsense that comes out of Russia Today and other Kremlin propaganda outlets.

Oh yes, and if I had a dollar for every bogus prediction made about this war, I'd have a shitload of dollars. I'll add your predictions to the stack. I'm happy to observe the facts on the ground and see which way they're pointing. And, as I've said before, reality hasn't been kind to Russia.