Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[VinDici]

As we say 'The circus left but the clowns stayed'.

We as in "the clowns" ?

[Xpartan]

Consider the possible outcomes:

1. Russia's ability to support the war effort, militarily or economically (or both), becomes so depleted that they're forced to withdraw from Ukraine. That would be the kind of loss that no amount of propaganda could whitewash and would likely result in severe negative shocks throughout Russian government and society. Externally there will be strong motivation to hold Russia accountable for their aggression. That would likely mean reparations, war crimes trials, continuation of some sanctions, etc.

2. The West falters in their support of Ukraine and Russia prevails. Assuming that means achieving effective control of all (or most) of Ukraine's territory, the long term challenge will be to hold it in the face of what will surely be a robust "underground" resistance movement. Sanctions will almost certainly continue, in fact it's likely they'll be increased. Poland, the Baltics, and the Nordics will move to prepare for the next phase of Russian expansionism, as will NATO. Moldova will urgently seek NATO membership, or some kind of security arrangement, because they'll see themselves as the next target. In short, ALL of Europe will be on a knife-edge. For all those who currently worry about a Russia-NATO war, with WW-III implications, you ain't seen nothing yet!

3. Something in between #1 and #2, like a partial withdrawal by Russia. But, whether they withdraw to pre-invasion borders or something else, this has no possibility of forming the foundation of any kind of lasting peace. Whether it's a hot war, cold war, ceasefire, or other arrangement, Ukraine will never concede an inch of their territory (as defined by the post-Soviet internationally recognized border) to Russia. Which means that any partial outcome is likely to be nothing more than a lull before the next storm. Just like Russia's invasion in 2014 was a precursor to this one, anything less than a comprehensive peace will contain the seeds of the next conflict. Oh, and all the above elements, like sanctions, war preparations, and so forth, will likely continue.

I'd venture with #4. Russia's not only forced to withdraw the troops from Ukraine (including Crimea of course) -- it's finally breaking up. The horrific civil war erupts, the likes of which has never been seen. Dozens of new warring states claim their own spot on the map, and some of them, most hostile to Moscow, are tacitly supported by Ukraine. All that becomes a nightmare to the West due to thousands of nuclear warheads that have fallen into the hands of local warlords who're willing to sell to a higher bidder.

[Xpartan]

China Is Not Our Friend

Well, I don't like you, but I agree. I was at a major medical institution the other day and can confirm we are fully infiltrated.

What? You don't like me? Gee, that hurts. . .

But you seem to misunderstand the current situation.

China is not supposed to be your friend.

China is the master, and Russia is a client state.

They say jump, you ask how high. That's how it works. Nothing personal, just business.

[Questner]

From 0:32.

https://youtu.be/RYhL6p5EO1s

As we say 'The circus left but the clowns stayed'.

[Jmsuttr]

Maybe so, but Ukraine will be its first tute.

War does interesting things. Not least of which is forging bonds that would never have formed otherwise. With respect to relationships between Ukraine and countries like Poland, the Baltics, the UK, and the Nordics, there's no comparison between pre-invasion times and now. And some of those relationships have moved beyond friendship into the realm of brotherhood.

Russia, in stark contrast, has squandered any goodwill they may have had. They're stuck in a small room with the likes of North Korea and Iran, and somebody just let out a fart!

[Jmsuttr]

Good to see you are smoking the same crap L. M. I also invited you to meet me in person, but of course you never took me up on the invitation. It is much easier to sit behind your computer, and make crap up.

Yes, I lived in Kiev, at that time it was great, then corruption took over. Also, many of my friends stopped traveling to Kiev and most of the girls we knew left Ukraine for better opportunities, but if you were an expert on Ukraine you would have a similar experience. Now L. M. , has never been to Ukraine, probably just like Colombia, but why would that stop him from spreading lies about myself and others.

Now MDE, sucks ass, I wish I would have never stepped foot in Colombia, I hated it, but I think you like it. This shows that I have some standards unlike you and your fellow MDE losers. L. M. Would fit in perfectly in MDE. He is cheap, bitter and jealous, just like the rest of you guys. I will be in MTY next weekend feel free to join me. That would be to easy..

Consider the possible outcomes:

1. Russia's ability to support the war effort, militarily or economically (or both), becomes so depleted that they're forced to withdraw from Ukraine. That would be the kind of loss that no amount of propaganda could whitewash and would likely result in severe negative shocks throughout Russian government and society. Externally there will be strong motivation to hold Russia accountable for their aggression. That would likely mean reparations, war crimes trials, continuation of some sanctions, etc.

2. The West falters in their support of Ukraine and Russia prevails. Assuming that means achieving effective control of all (or most) of Ukraine's territory, the long term challenge will be to hold it in the face of what will surely be a robust "underground" resistance movement. Sanctions will almost certainly continue, in fact it's likely they'll be increased. Poland, the Baltics, and the Nordics will move to prepare for the next phase of Russian expansionism, as will NATO. Moldova will urgently seek NATO membership, or some kind of security arrangement, because they'll see themselves as the next target. In short, ALL of Europe will be on a knife-edge. For all those who currently worry about a Russia-NATO war, with WW-III implications, you ain't seen nothing yet!

3. Something in between #1 and #2, like a partial withdrawal by Russia. But, whether they withdraw to pre-invasion borders or something else, this has no possibility of forming the foundation of any kind of lasting peace. Whether it's a hot war, cold war, ceasefire, or other arrangement, Ukraine will never concede an inch of their territory (as defined by the post-Soviet internationally recognized border) to Russia. Which means that any partial outcome is likely to be nothing more than a lull before the next storm. Just like Russia's invasion in 2014 was a precursor to this one, anything less than a comprehensive peace will contain the seeds of the next conflict. Oh, and all the above elements, like sanctions, war preparations, and so forth, will likely continue.

Pre-invasion Russia no longer exists, and it's not coming back. Putin flushed his geopolitical influence down the toilet. Europe has found new energy suppliers and Russia has been reduced to cannibalizing washing machines for parts. Any reliance on China is likely to carry a high cost.

Pre-invasion Ukraine is also a thing of the past. But they have a path forward as they want to be in the EU, and the EU wants them. For that to happen, they'll need to shed the Soviet legacy of corruption. How long that will take is hard to say. But all the evidence points to a high level of motivation for making any changes required. And the EU will be looking at Ukraine under a microscope, so any changes will need to be real and substantial. Ukraine as a member of the EU + possible NATO membership + Western money flooding in for reconstruction = many possible positive paths and outcomes.

In stark contrast, all the pathways and outcomes for Russia are bad. And I mean North Korea, pariah-state bad.

[Riina]

Can anyone with half a brain not see where THIS is going?

Why Chinese farmers have crossed border into Russia's Far East..

Well, I don't like you, but I agree. I was at a major medical institution the other day and can confirm we are fully infiltrated.

[Jmsuttr]

Oh that's easy. Staying there he looks like some kind of martyr and he is really in no danger in Kiev. So far. Idiot Biden is not sending him millions but billion's which we have no accounting of. Oh he has a exit plan, just not yet until he can bleed them out of billions more. Without boots from the West all will be lost in a few months as they will run out of soldiers, he will bolt.

What a fun game! Hey, wait, here's another:

Putin is going to keep sending his untrained and unarmed troops to be slaughtered and, just before he's about to be overthrown and killed by a group of Russian generals and elites, he's going to host an orgy at his palace and set off a tactical nuke while he has his dick in some young model's mouth. Male model or female, doesn't matter. All he cares about is the orgasmic explosion at the end.

Please notice carefully that this "plan" has exactly the same factual foundation as yours. Wasn't that fun?

[Jmsuttr]

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/13560

"China's Ministry of Natural Resources has just issued new regulations on map content, which require the addition of old Chinese names to the current Russian-pronounced geographical names of eight places along the Russian-Chinese border," Radio France International in Chinese reported on Feb. 23.

It elaborates that Under Beijing's new directive, Vladivostok once again is called Haishenwai (meaning Sea Cucumber Bay) while Sakhalin Island is called Kuyedao. The Stanovoy Range is back to being called the Outer Xing'an Range in Chinese. ".

Looks like the Sinofication of Russia has begun.

Is simply this: Why now?

The centuries-old tensions between Russia and China are well known. And the current attitude of caution and guardedness between the two is no secret. And yet, in the midst of all the rhetoric about the existence of a close partnership, Comrade Xi sends this message to his "good friend" Putin.

It seems to me that several layers of potential meaning are implied, none of them likely to be seen as positive by Russia. And it's also noteworthy that something like this would not have happened without prior approval at the highest levels.

Which brings us right back to the big question: Why now?

[WyattEarp]

It elaborates that Under Beijing's new directive, Vladivostok once again is called Haishenwai (meaning Sea Cucumber Bay)"

That's pretty slimy. .

[VinDici]

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/13560

"China's Ministry of Natural Resources has just issued new regulations on map content, which require the addition of old Chinese names to the current Russian-pronounced geographical names of eight places along the Russian-Chinese border," Radio France International in Chinese reported on Feb. 23.

It elaborates that Under Beijing's new directive, Vladivostok once again is called Haishenwai (meaning Sea Cucumber Bay) while Sakhalin Island is called Kuyedao. The Stanovoy Range is back to being called the Outer Xing'an Range in Chinese. ".

Looks like the Sinofication of Russia has begun.

[VinDici]

Yet all we get from you is your own dope-fueled imaginings.

He's using all his brain power to learn Chinese, he's going to need it.

[Xpartan]

Maybe so, but Ukraine will be its first tute.

Too late. Russia is ALREADY China's first "tute". Present tense, LOL.

There was a song during Stalin times: Russians and Chinese are brothers forever, LOL.

A few years later China turned into a mortal enemy of the USSR.

Can anyone with half a brain not see where THIS is going?

Why Chinese farmers have crossed border into Russia's Far East

Based on data released by the state land register, BBC Russian calculated that Chinese citizens either owned or leased at least 350,000 hectares (3,500 sq km) of Far Eastern land in Russia. In 2018, around 2.2 million hectares of Russian land in the region was used for agricultural purposes.

The actual proportion could be higher, the BBC has learned. Chinese farmers are, according to BBC research, represented in 40% of the Far East...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50185006

Why invade when you can buy? China already owns 80% of Russian region

Aleksandr Liventhal, the governor of Russia's Jewish Autonomous Oblast, says that according to the data he has, "80 percent of the land" in that region which borders China's Heilongjiang Province is now "controlled by the Chinese," a statement certain to spark new fears among Russians about China's intentions and Moscow's failure to counter them.

There are some Russian farmers there after all, ethnic Russians make up nearly 93 percent of the population of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast (Jews number less than one percent of the total population of just over 176,000) but "by legal means or illegal means or various methods," the Chinese have taken control of the vast majority of it.

Worse, Liventhal says, the Chinese owners have sown 85 percent of the land they control with soy, a plant that "kills the land," thus further reducing the economic prospects of what is already a depressed area.

More light reading for Mother Russia fanboys:

The authorities of Russias Trans-Baikal Territory announced their decision on leasing out to China a total of 115,000 hectares of land for a term of 49 years

https://tass.com/russia/802162

https://www.ft.com/content/700a9450-...1-cbdb03d71480

Russia offers 2.5 million acres of land to Chinese farmers

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...hinese-farmers

Go Russia, LOL!

[Jmsuttr]

Interesting fact: the Christmas tree at the Maidan Square of the 2013-2014 winter season had a hanged man on one of the branches; the maddening crowd continued to dance around.

The plan the present Glans-Fuhrer has in his bunker is how to cut dope.

Yet all we get from you is your own dope-fueled imaginings.

[Jmsuttr]

We will see, unfortunately you are wrong. This is a needless war. The west is using Pres. Z. , when they do not need him anymore or the war is not winnable, they will dump him.

Yes, Ukraine are fighting admirably, unfortunately the government is corrupt as hell, including your hero Pres. Z.

Is that it either ignores or denies the agency of the player who personally gave the order to start the war, namely Putin. Unless the Western puppet masters are also pulling his strings, he is solely responsible for starting the chain of events that have brought us to the present state of affairs.

He had other geopolitical cards he could have played, since neither Ukraine nor NATO posed a credible (offensive) threat to Russia. He chose to invade in 2022 because he believed the false reports from his own FSB about pro-Russia sentiment in Ukraine, and because he thought the West would lack the resolve to stand against him. As the knight said to Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade, "he chose poorly".

Agree that this is a needless war. But Putin is solely responsible for starting it and he can stop it at anytime.

You and others talk about "the West" as though it was a single person with a single mind. In fact the Western alliance of countries that are supporting Ukraine range from very conservative, like Poland, to very liberal European countries. Each country has their own agenda and they don't always agree with each other. Some countries, like the Baltics and Nordics, are pushing for maximum firepower to be transferred ASAP so Ukraine can win quickly. Others, like Germany, are slow-walking aid because they fear escalation or perhaps because they want a post-war relationship with Russia. And I'm sure there are elements in some Western countries who are happy to see a drawn out conflict that will tend to drain and impoverish Russia. But the idea that the West is comprised of a monolithic and completely unified force is a myth.

The West is made up of individual countries and the leaders of those countries are constrained by the checks and balances of their own systems. Putin has no constraints as he's an absolute dictator. But even if Putin was killed or removed his successor would find it hard to change course because the Russian propaganda masters have convinced the population that this is some kind of holy and righteous cause. How can you say "my bad" and backtrack from that without tearing at the very fabric of Russian society?

P.S. It's hilarious to see posters talk about corruption in Ukraine while being absolutely silent about the uber-corrupt Kremlin kleptocracy. Like many post-Soviet countries, Ukraine needs to work at shedding the old ways and, as they move forward toward EU membership, they are more incentivized to do so than ever before.