Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Jmsuttr]

We will see, unfortunately you are wrong. This is a needless war. The west is using Pres. Z. , when they do not need him anymore or the war is not winnable, they will dump him.

Yes, Ukraine are fighting admirably, unfortunately the government is corrupt as hell, including your hero Pres. Z.

Is that it either ignores or denies the agency of the player who personally gave the order to start the war, namely Putin. Unless the Western puppet masters are also pulling his strings, he is solely responsible for starting the chain of events that have brought us to the present state of affairs.

He had other geopolitical cards he could have played, since neither Ukraine nor NATO posed a credible (offensive) threat to Russia. He chose to invade in 2022 because he believed the false reports from his own FSB about pro-Russia sentiment in Ukraine, and because he thought the West would lack the resolve to stand against him. As the knight said to Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade, "he chose poorly".

Agree that this is a needless war. But Putin is solely responsible for starting it and he can stop it at anytime.

You and others talk about "the West" as though it was a single person with a single mind. In fact the Western alliance of countries that are supporting Ukraine range from very conservative, like Poland, to very liberal European countries. Each country has their own agenda and they don't always agree with each other. Some countries, like the Baltics and Nordics, are pushing for maximum firepower to be transferred ASAP so Ukraine can win quickly. Others, like Germany, are slow-walking aid because they fear escalation or perhaps because they want a post-war relationship with Russia. And I'm sure there are elements in some Western countries who are happy to see a drawn out conflict that will tend to drain and impoverish Russia. But the idea that the West is comprised of a monolithic and completely unified force is a myth.

The West is made up of individual countries and the leaders of those countries are constrained by the checks and balances of their own systems. Putin has no constraints as he's an absolute dictator. But even if Putin was killed or removed his successor would find it hard to change course because the Russian propaganda masters have convinced the population that this is some kind of holy and righteous cause. How can you say "my bad" and backtrack from that without tearing at the very fabric of Russian society?

P.S. It's hilarious to see posters talk about corruption in Ukraine while being absolutely silent about the uber-corrupt Kremlin kleptocracy. Like many post-Soviet countries, Ukraine needs to work at shedding the old ways and, as they move forward toward EU membership, they are more incentivized to do so than ever before.

[Locamotive]

What that lame theory fails to explain is why he didn't leave immediately after the invasion. At that point Ukraine's supporters were few and far between, and mostly offered encouragement and prayers rather than weapons.

Among Putin's reported objectives were things like capturing or assassinating govt officials, with Zelensky obviously being the top prize. And yet, at that most opportune moment to flee, when no one would have faulted him, he chose to stay and said he needed ammunition, not a ride.

Had he fled, he could have set up a "government in exile" somewhere nice and safe, while raking in millions in donations. He didn't, and he hasn't, which is a giant poke in the eye to all those suffering from terminal Zelensky Derangement Syndrome.

Those who make the mistake of personalizing this conflict and making everything about Zelensky (or Putin) miss the obvious fact that if either of them dropped dead tomorrow, nothing would change. Any new leader of Ukraine would ABSOLUTELY need to continue defending that country. The Ukrainian people would demand it. And any new Soviet (oops, I mean Russian) leader would either continue fighting, from sheer inertia, or maybe start to roll things back.

The problem with that latter course is that for Russia to have spent so much in resources and lives, without any semblance of victory, would be hugely humiliating and destabilizing. What would become of Russia after that is anybody's guess. The new leader might try to blame everything on Putin, but that's such a radical change of direction that it could very well backfire and fracture or crash the system.

And, if Russia starts to destabilize, even around the edges, the vultures are already hovering and ready to carve off a piece for themselves. Keep an eye on Kadyrov and Lukashenko, for example. Both are survivors and will do whatever they can to avoid going down with the (Moskva) ship.

Oh that's easy. Staying there he looks like some kind of martyr and he is really in no danger in Kiev. So far. Idiot Biden is not sending him millions but billion's which we have no accounting of. Oh he has a exit plan, just not yet until he can bleed them out of billions more. Without boots from the West all will be lost in a few months as they will run out of soldiers, he will bolt.

[DramaFree11]

This issue was solved long ago. Drama Queen has never been to the Ukraine, much less lived there. He also said he went to Colombia and found it full of fat chicks though it's the land of fitness freaks and obsese women are few and far between. There's a TV in his momma's basement though where he's able to tune into Tucker Carlson.

Good to see you are smoking the same crap L. M. I also invited you to meet me in person, but of course you never took me up on the invitation. It is much easier to sit behind your computer, and make crap up.

Yes, I lived in Kiev, at that time it was great, then corruption took over. Also, many of my friends stopped traveling to Kiev and most of the girls we knew left Ukraine for better opportunities, but if you were an expert on Ukraine you would have a similar experience. Now L. M. , has never been to Ukraine, probably just like Colombia, but why would that stop him from spreading lies about myself and others.

Now MDE, sucks ass, I wish I would have never stepped foot in Colombia, I hated it, but I think you like it. This shows that I have some standards unlike you and your fellow MDE losers. L. M. Would fit in perfectly in MDE. He is cheap, bitter and jealous, just like the rest of you guys. I will be in MTY next weekend feel free to join me. That would be to easy.

I do feel sorry for the people of Kiev, I have no compassion for the government. If Pres. Z. , really cared he would be looking for a compromise to end this war, but instead he just keeps moving forward. His country is being destroyed and so many are being killed. If this is winning then, then Ukraine is definitely winning. Ukraine always loses, that is what they are good at, beside corruption, tine will tell.

[Xpartan]

Interesting fact: the Christmas tree at the Maidan Square of the 2013-2014 winter season had a hanged man on one of the branches; the maddening crowd continued to dance around.

Propaganda works the best when there is some truth in it. Yes, there was a suicide by hanging on Maidan Square in January 2014. No, there weren't any "maddening dances" around the body. The body was discovered by the Maidan activists who informed the police about the incident. End of story.

Nice try, though, comrade.

[Riina]

, your country is completely fucked though. Hope you started learning Chinese, you'll need it.

Maybe so, but Ukraine will be its first tute.

[Questner]

Interesting fact: the Christmas tree at the Maidan Square of the 2013-2014 winter season had a hanged man on one of the branches; the maddening crowd continued to dance around.

The plan the present Glans-Fuhrer has in his bunker is how to cut dope.

[LuvMexicanas]

This issue was solved long ago. Drama Queen has never been to the Ukraine, much less lived there. He also said he went to Colombia and found it full of fat chicks though it's the land of fitness freaks and obsese women are few and far between. There's a TV in his momma's basement though where he's able to tune into Tucker Carlson.

Yet he continues to post lie after lie despite the fact that he lacks any credibility.

[LuvMexicanas]

Dude you stalking me and others, in destination you have never been. Again, you have forgotten you have been invited to meet me several times, but you never bother to show up.

Kind of funny, I get sanctioned, for responding to lies, but nothing ever happens to you. Go figure!! My life is great, living the dream. I am in CDMX or MTY every 10 days, banging hot girls, while you complain.

I don't think anyone wants to meet you. I certainly don't. You're like a woman who can never stay on point. Rather than admit your lies, you go off on a tangent about living the dream (I seriously doubt it), CDMX and Monterrey. What the fuck do those things have to do with you being a well known liar on the forum? Nothing.

[Paulie97]

The people who have fled Ukraine have done so primarily because it's a war zone. When the fighting is over, many will return. What percentage is anyone's guess but I doubt your crystal ball is better than anyone else's.

Another thing that's going to be flowing into post-war Ukraine is a shitload of Western money as a reconstruction effort takes place, in the same style as the Marshall Plan. With money sloshing around Ukraine, that's even more incentive for refugees to return. And Ukraine is firmly on the path to EU membership, and probably also NATO, which holds out the promise of economic growth.

It's those who left Russia who are less likely to return. Why? Because Russia isn't a war zone and those who left did so either because they don't support the war or because they didn't want to get drafted. Either one of those choices basically has the effect of burning the bridges that would make an easy return possible. The brain drain + the hundreds of thousands of killed and wounded will cause generational issues similar to post-WW2 Russia.

BTW, I doubt you can cite a single credible source that puts Ukrainian casualty losses even close to the level of Russian losses. One obvious reason why is because it's always been the case that it's harder to take territory than it is to defend. Take Bakhmut, for example, where Russia has thrown convicts and PMC Wagner forces for months, using "human wave" tactics, in their effort to seize that city. Their leader, Prighozin, even did a video with scores of his own dead soldiers stscked behind him, as he complained about not having enough ammunition.

One additional point is that you talk about Ukraine and Zelensky as though they have any other realistic choice. They don't because if they stop resisting Russian aggression then all of Ukraine will end up like Bucha and Irpin. They see this as a battle for existence and survival. Whether you agree or not is completely immaterial. That's how they see it and they're acting accordingly.

P.S. The world has categorically turned against Putin. The UN vote demanding Russia's withdrawal was 141 in favor of that demand, 7 against (IIRC), and 32 abstentions. Even so-called allies like China chose to abstain rather than support Putin. Therefore I would argue that it's Russia that's been ruined. Putin has turned it into a larger version of North Korea, a true pariah state.

Accurate and a pleasure to read.

[Paulie97]

He's a compulsive liar. He posted he'd been to Tijuana 30 times during the first year of the pandemic even though his post history clearly debunks that. Also, he stated he lived in Ukraine twice in one post and then claimed he lived there three times in another post. Which is it and who the fuck mixes up how many times they lived somewhere? The answer is only someone who lies so much he can't keep all his lies straight.

This issue was solved long ago. Drama Queen has never been to the Ukraine, much less lived there. He also said he went to Colombia and found it full of fat chicks though it's the land of fitness freaks and obsese women are few and far between. There's a TV in his momma's basement though where he's able to tune into Tucker Carlson.

[DramaFree11]

Your continued sermons on the horrors of war are juvenile. Yes, we get it, war is hell. Is there anything else you can tell us, Major Obvious? Because Ukrainians turning on President Zelensky is not happening. Shame on you for using this pathetic clich from a Russian propaganda manual.

Of course, aggressors are capable of inflicting horrific suffering on the nations they invade. What's your point?

It's a good thing you can't jump in a time machine and visit Great Britain in 1940 or the Soviet Union in 1941-1943. You would've see bombed out cities, millions of dead and crippled, destroyed livelihoods. And how did that war end, I wonder?

Ukrainians are fighting not because they want to, but because they have to.

Russians are fighting not because they have to, but because they want to.

One got to be really, really thick not to understand the difference?

We will see, unfortunately you are wrong. This is a needless war. The west is using Pres. Z. , when they do not need him anymore or the war is not winnable, they will dump him.

Yes, Ukraine are fighting admirably, unfortunately the government is corrupt as hell, including your hero Pres. Z.

[VinDici]

Race to be the first Clown.

[DramaFree11]

He's a compulsive liar. He posted he'd been to Tijuana 30 times during the first year of the pandemic even though his post history clearly debunks that. Also, he stated he lived in Ukraine twice in one post and then claimed he lived there three times in another post. Which is it and who the fuck mixes up how many times they lived somewhere? The answer is only someone who lies so much he can't keep all his lies straight.

Dude you stalking me and others, in destination you have never been. Again, you have forgotten you have been invited to meet me several times, but you never bother to show up.

Kind of funny, I get sanctioned, for responding to lies, but nothing ever happens to you. Go figure!! My life is great, living the dream. I am in CDMX or MTY every 10 days, banging hot girls, while you complain.

[VinDici]

From The National Bank: the recent emission of a so called '2-or 3 - or maximum 5 Hryvnia' banknote.

These are the upcoming notes everyone will be using in Russia.

[LuvMexicanas]

Your continued sermons on the horrors of war are juvenile. Yes, we get it, war is hell. Is there anything else you can tell us, Major Obvious? Because Ukrainians turning on President Zelensky is not happening. Shame on you for using this pathetic clich from a Russian propaganda manual.

Of course, aggressors are capable of inflicting horrific suffering on the nations they invade. What's your point?

It's a good thing you can't jump in a time machine and visit Great Britain in 1940 or the Soviet Union in 1941-1943. You would've see bombed out cities, millions of dead and crippled, destroyed livelihoods. And how did that war end, I wonder?

Ukrainians are fighting not because they want to, but because they have to.

Russians are fighting not because they have to, but because they want to.

One got to be really, really thick not to understand the difference?

He's a compulsive liar. He posted he'd been to Tijuana 30 times during the first year of the pandemic even though his post history clearly debunks that. Also, he stated he lived in Ukraine twice in one post and then claimed he lived there three times in another post. Which is it and who the fuck mixes up how many times they lived somewhere? The answer is only someone who lies so much he can't keep all his lies straight.