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09-10-22 19:56 #1345
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
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09-10-22 08:08 #1344
Posts: 1056People are morons
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
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09-10-22 07:30 #1343
Posts: 1680Lol
Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
There's an old truism, in that "the strongest points in a debate are not found in the ones that are addressed, but in the ones that are ignored. " You were rebutted repeatedly on many fronts by both myself and Xpartan recently, and it's all been ignored other than to restate your premise regarding China, blame the US for Ukraine, and to once again claim to be an American. I invite the readers to scroll back and view all the rebuttals directed at you that were completely ignored.
As to any wealth, all mongers are "wealthy. " Just ask them. LOL Your typical wealthy person is smart enough to forgo using Max Blumenthal, a regular on Russian state news, as a source to buttress what you want to prove. And wealthy people also aren't looking for bargains on pussy in countries that are down on their luck. You keep trying to impress but are anything but impressive.
As to China, any "alignment" with Russia is show. That's what I meant by "lip service. " China will never in a million years treat Russia, a country with an economy about the size of the state of Texas, as an equal. China is about the money, and push come to shove relations with us will trump any sentiments toward Russia. And once again, nukes are very unlikely to be used as anyone sending them to the West is getting them back in spades. Russia will not use them in Ukraine as that would mean losing the few countries they have left that pay any attention to them. The war likely will end in negotiations once Russia is put in more of a negotiating mood. They have suffered plenty and more is to come. So your analysis is as usual all over the place, while extremely repetitive as you refuse to interact with the points others are making in response.
Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion
The sum of it is that Ukraine like much of Eastern Europe takes an interest in democracy. Russia is trying to rebuild empire. Ukraine doesn't want to be conquered even if you think that's what's best for them, so we are responding to their requests for weapons. You are biased and agenda driven when you make it all about the US. Eastern Europe enjoys democracy and they have agency in these matters. That includes Ukraine and their agency in fighting back against Russia's genocidal, criminal invasion. This ALL of course has already been hammered out and presented in detail, by myself, Xpartan, Jmsuttr, and others. We also, unlike you, have provided a number of legit, well sourced academic articles. Anyone interested can scroll back in the thread and read.
All that said I'm not seeing any new ground covered here so I'm finished going in circles with you, Pedro, Elvis, or any other Russophile spinning a one sided tale here. I'm the only one left to any degree, I think, so you and those like minded as yourself are free to validate one another and talk about how right you are. LOL Cheers.
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09-10-22 03:05 #1342
Posts: 2794Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]
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09-10-22 01:47 #1341
Posts: 1319Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHL9lNxKQbg
Here is what we face: Senator Richard H. Black. The US and NATO don't care how many Ukrainians die -.
Russia Ukraine War: "We don't care! The United States and NATO, we do not care how many Ukrainians die. Not civilians, not women, not children, not soldiers. We do not care. It's become a great football game. You know, we've got our team. They've got their team, rah rah. We want to get the biggest score and run it up. And, you know, we don't care how many how many of our players get crippled on the playing field, as long as we win. ".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXOWZnRCc20
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09-09-22 19:47 #1340
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
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09-09-22 14:27 #1339
Posts: 1056America RIP
Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
Once the EU stops printing money, the game is up. Fasten your seatbelts for a bumpy ride or some such. Let's hope and pray the gloves come off. Nobody wants this but nobody can avoid it.
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09-09-22 12:28 #1338
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
Parallels with ancient Athens are clear. Arrogant refusal to acknowledge desire for power by other states (demand for Corinth, etc to be subordinates rather than equal partners), reckless foreign wars (Syracuse expedition), demagogic politicians and their foolish supporters (like Paulie97 and other fools in this forum). Unlike ancient Athens, USA is an impregnable fortress, as already noted, so it can't be conquered. But it can be toppled from its current exalted position, and that's exactly the direction it is heading.
As for Ukraine, the country has been ruined by USA interference.
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09-09-22 11:03 #1337
Posts: 242Article on Gorbachev, including all the things he said that aren't reported in the western press, because they too closely echo Putin's complants:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/...hevs-warnings/
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09-02-22 07:49 #1336
Posts: 1056Dien Bien Phu
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
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09-01-22 23:20 #1335
Posts: 1960Roosevelt's postwar policy
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
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09-01-22 07:34 #1334
Posts: 1056Churchillian
Churchill's fight them on the beaches speech.
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
Churchill had, of course, been paid for his art in the 1930's and was given a dodgy Nobel Lit prize afterwards. But he was prepared to see his "island nation" destroyed so that the New World, as this alcoholic calls it, would prevail. The EU leaders, like Gorbachev selling his pizzas, are doing the same.
The Americans, flotsam of the world that they are, also engineered the collapse of French Indo China and grabbed a ton of Pacific Islands. I really hope Europe collapses this winter so that the Europeans might turn, like rabid dogs, on those American cross breeds who are responsible.
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09-01-22 03:57 #1333
Posts: 3234Three articles
Apparently, the USA and UK prevented Russia and Ukraine from a truce. This was no surprise to me at all and expected.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...sia-peace-deal
Europe is going to be praying for global warming this winter. Electricity costs have skyrocketed.
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/how...***-approaches
One such owner is Geraldine Dolan, who owns the Poppyfields cafe in Athlone, Ireland. And was charged nearly 10,000 (US $10,021) for just over two months of energy usage.
My mum owns a small caf in Leicester. Her electricity bill has just jumped from 10 k ($12 k) a year to 55 k ($64 k) a year. She is working out her options but more than likely she will be forced to close.
And just to show you what genius these politicians are, Russia has shut down the natural gas pipeline supplying natural gas to Europe and instead of getting paid for it is choosing to burn it. That is about $10 million worth of gas a day it is pissing away.
https://mishtalk.com/economics/major...l-gas-pipeline
I remember one time in Driver's Education the instructor said after looking at some gruesome accidents, "Does it really matter whose fault it is in the end?
You look at this mess and how fucking stupid it is and the complete fucking waste of money and lives and have to ask, does it really matter whose fault is this? I cannot believe anybody is for something as fucking stupid as this war.
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08-31-22 22:44 #1332
Posts: 1680P.s.
Here's the freedom scores of the Central and Eastern Euro countries mentioned, and there are several others:
Poland (81), Czech Republic (91), Slovakia (90), Estonia (94), Latvia (88) & Ukraine (61). And this is in part due to a number of countries including the US that have supported democracy and freedom on the European continent. But don't expect to find any of this information in Pat Buchanan's columns or on Max Blumenthal's pro-Kremlin blogs, as they have agendas. Pitching agendas is never "serious discussion. " Heck Max told us on 2/26 that the Ukrainian army was "vanquished. " Lolol Check my post history for the twitter link.
https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores
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08-31-22 20:36 #1331
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]