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08-31-22 16:08 #1328
Posts: 1680Lol
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
But yea in these discussions many want to globe trot putting the USA on trial, which of course is a dodge, "appeal to hypocrisy" or the tu-quoque fallacy.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
If we were the worst nation on the earth that doesn't get Russia off the hook in their treatment of Ukraine. But yes we have supported dictators in Latin-America in opposition to worldwide communism, or undemocratic regimes in the Middle East to favor the interests of allies and ours in the matter of energy resources. So what? That's called practicality and diplomacy and still leaves us free to oppose growing Fascist and authoritarian sentiments and actions on our soil and in Europe.
You are also correct in that China is no real ally of Russia. The former will never treat the latter, with their economy about the size of Texas, as an equal. Lip service is all that Russia is getting. Push come to shove China will buddy up to the West as such is in their economic interests.
And Kozerog, we get your anti-Americanism loud and clear, but you are going to be waiting a very long time to see our demise, and doubtfully will even live that long. And certainly aren't going to see it in this Russian invasion of Ukraine debacle / mega-embarrassment. Nonetheless keep waving those pom poms. Lolol.
Slava Ukraini.
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08-30-22 19:20 #1327
Posts: 1957Indeed, why recycle your garbage? Just pile it up.
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Slava Ukraine!
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08-30-22 10:52 #1326
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
As for the blessed jews, just as many people died under Stalin and Mao, there was the Rwanda atrocity which is now mostly forgotten, the mostly forgotten Pol Pot atrocity in Cambodia, the on going Yemen catastrophe, etc, etc. But only the poor Jews seem to matter, and only the Jews get exempt from scrutiny about Nazi like concentration camps in Gaza, and about nuclear and biological weapons proliferation, and anyone who questions why the blessed jews are so special is an anti-Semite.
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
USA cannot rule the world alone because modern technology (drone subs, smart torpedoes) undermines ability of USA to project military power. Like ancient Athens, USA can only dominate via alliances, and right now we are alienating our single most important potential ally, which is Russia.
With Russia as USA ally, China is blocked on all sides. With Russia as China's ally, providing the energy and raw materials China would otherwise need to import by sea lanes, China is in a position to drive the USA out of Asia entirely, which will have massive political and economic repercussions. Very very stupid of USA to be bringing about Russia-China alliance.
Buchanan has another essay up today at that site. Similar points as what I am making.
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08-29-22 03:45 #1325
Posts: 746Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
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08-28-22 23:13 #1324
Posts: 1056Another One Bites the Dust
More American mercenaries have met their Maker in Donbas. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...as/7925220001/ Shudda stayed in Memphis, Elvis.
Former see / S of the British forces now admits Ukraine is beaten and the glorious Russian Army have won. Suck it up. Or, better still, copy Memphis boy.
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08-26-22 07:32 #1323
Posts: 1957Since we're talking corrections, LOL
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
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08-25-22 15:36 #1322
Posts: 1680Correction
Monroe Doctrine originated in 1823 not 1923, typo.
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08-25-22 04:21 #1321
Posts: 1680P.S. Forgot
Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
https://www.americanforeignrelations...-founders.html
Then Pat leaps to WW II complaining about Stalin while Hitler gets a total pass. This isn't surprising given his past associations with Holocaust revisionists while personally advocating some of the same.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB940785195432234780
But anyway, WW II, should we have just sat that one out Pat? Had he been involved in politics back then that's certainly the side he would have taken. US isolationism is an old scrouge that never learns.
Then he's off to Nicaragua, well yea, there were some alliances with dictators in opposition to worldwide communism. It was the lessor of two evils dilemma and the Monroe Doctrine (1923). Be sure that South Korea is very glad we didn't sit their cause out in the 50's.
But anyone who thinks there's no trouble with worldwide autocracy today wasn't paying attention with Trump's light then violent coup efforts culminating in Jan 6th and the ongoing nonsense that follows it now, both in the US and in Europe, all of course omitted from Pat's analysis. Or even in the microcosm of the same here in a hooker forum where Ukraine's quest for democracy is downplayed along with their significant progress toward reforms since 2014 and the break with Russia. This while the vile behavior and society which is Russia is either embraced or swept under the rug.
Pat can do his cherry picked, agenda driven history lessons but we are going to keep supporting democracy and sending Ukraine the desired weapons. The world is a community and we and our allies have a role to play, both in trade and defense.
Buchanan is what he is, a biased far right ideologue that latches onto what suits his preconceptions and ignores what doesn't. It's the realm where half-truths are linked together to create untruths, using history in a way to further his politics, and in a way that responsible professional historians never do. But he's still a step up from Blumenthal so I stand by my congratulations, though with less enthusiasm after now refreshing my memory. He's been off the radar for a good while.
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08-24-22 23:34 #1320
Posts: 1680Well
Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/22/europ...ntl/index.html
And the old black and white thinking error keeps popping up here as this one very likely won't wind up all or nothing. The war likely will end at the negotiating table though you get plenty of all or nothing talk from both sides at the moment. Talks of total victory go further to motivate troops than what I just stated. So Ukraine is currently strengthening their position in negotiations while the West sends the message that tyrants don't get to change borders in Europe without severe consequences. Ukraine wants to fight, asked us for weapons and the answer is yes. The USA, NATO, that's who we are and what we do and we've shed plenty of blood for what we stand for. Freedom isn't free.
That said the time has come! I'm heading south to Colombia for my vacation and political discussions are never part of these events, even with other ISG members I meet there on the ground. You all hold down the fort until I return.
P.S. Gas prices are still dropping, at least here in the USA. Isn't that lovely?
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08-24-22 01:24 #1319
Posts: 1680No conspiracy theories needed
This Viktor Yanukovych was his own worst enemy and dug his own grave living in opulent luxury in typical Russo kleptocrat fashion while shirking from an EU trade deal. The vast majority of the country was fed up with him already, but after a truce was broken and in the range of 100 protestors were shot down by government police, all bets were off. So the crook was impeached, then stole 37 billion and ran to Russia where he belongs. It's not complicated and is all rather predictable. A people begin to take an interest in democracy and this draws resistance from autocrats at home and abroad, no "CIA coup" is needed. And that's irrespective of the Noam Chomskys and social media hacks like Max Blumenthal who see the USA hiding under every Bush and as the cause of all the evil on the planet, and this while they prop up murderous dictators like Putin and Assad. It's highly biased, dishonest, self-serving, and pukeworthy among us who love freedom and democracy.
Nonetheless we tolerate it. Blumenthal is still a US citizen as far as I know as that's who we are. We tolerate stupid, false, and unpatriotic publications. Try that in Russia.
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08-23-22 21:44 #1318
Posts: 1957Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
His articles are thoughtful and realistic. Yes, the world is getting tired and somewhat oblivious to Russia's unspeakable vileness and brutality. But in a war with goalposts moving every day, I'm sure Russians will manage to piss the West hard enough to move more. Perhaps in the coming days. Just a few short weeks ago, America told Zelensky not to touch Crimea, and now it's a legit target as far as we're concerned.
Leave it to the Russians to shoot themselves in the foot, the knees, the balls and all their other appendages they can aim at. Soon we'll see Ukrainians getting even more HIMARs and finally ATACMS, bombers and fighter jets. Russia started this war, but it will be ended by it.
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08-23-22 21:09 #1317
Posts: 130Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
When the first billions were announced, I thought that a lot of people are going to get rich. Of course in EU it's all too common to use the EU funding for all kinds of projects, in the mentality that everything they get from it is a gain for the local city / town / village. But since corruption is in my understanding one of the essential criterias why Ukraine will not be able to join EU, this will of course make it even less propable. Plus the fact that there will be a shitload of guns, economical and mental problems in the country after the war. Imagine walking the K-street thinking that anybody could have a gun and have issues about "rich" foreigners coming to enjoy their young women after they themselves have lost their assets, limbs and / or mental health in the war.
I'll wait until some of you guys scout out the place first and say it's safe, without hostility to foreigners.
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08-23-22 08:26 #1316
Posts: 242Latest from Pat Buchanan, American political commentator, columnist, politician, assistant and special consultant to USA Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan:
https://original.antiwar.com/buchana...-mortal-enemy/
His previous analysis also very accurate. To wit, Ukraine will never get enough US help to "win". Probably Ukrainian higher ups have figured this out and are anticipating an eventual mutiny by the Ukrainian people. So no wonder they steal everything they can while they can and put the loot safely in Swiss banks. (Russian higher ups do the same, of course.).
https://original.antiwar.com/buchana...s-in-conflict/
Is Buchanan also a serial liar?
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08-22-22 21:51 #1315
Posts: 1056Open Season
With the CIA's car bomb murder of Dariya Dugina, their use of chemical weapons and their shelling of the nuclear plant, hopefully now Russia will take the gloves out and there will be a massive ramp up up to and not excluding nuclear first strikes. Wiping London, New York, London and Chicago off the earth would help bring the survivors to the surrender table.
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08-22-22 20:56 #1314
Posts: 1680Haha
Originally Posted by Desin [View Original Post]
https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/chie...-and-sanctions