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07-28-22 18:55 #1214
Posts: 6416Body Count
Just throw bodies at them. This is how the Ruskies do. Leave their dead upon the field of battle too. The only ones better at running up a willfully high body count are the Japanese. Why they beat Russia one-on-one. Who is willing to sacrifice the most lives in order to prevail?
https://www.aol.com/news/russia-suff...150659330.html
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07-28-22 16:04 #1213
Posts: 657Mexico Joins Alliance with Russia and Builds Bioweapons Labs on US Border OK?
Wonder what Washington DCs reaction would be if Mexico or Cuba had allied with the USSR and had build nuclear armed missile sites and bioweapons labs near the USA. Think there are a number of movies about this scenario, such as 13 Days In November about the Cuban missile crisis. Ukraine is not a vital interest to American citizens and not worth risking a nuclear war. If you feel it is a vital interest, go join the Ukrainian Legion at the Ukie Embassy and leave the rest of us out of the nuclear brinkmanship!
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
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07-28-22 13:54 #1212
Posts: 3211Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
For a new country to join NATO, all 30 member states must be unanimous in supporting it.
And realistically speaking, if the USA which pays the most into NATO said no to Ukraine coming in, it would not happen. Hell, Turkey was going to prevent Sweden and Finland from coming in.
I am not being spoon fed anything but you are. Was this a lie you came up with on your own or were you spoon fed it by MSNBC, NYT, WaPO?
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07-28-22 04:59 #1211
Posts: 1680Yep
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
You know an argument can be made to seize Rupert Murdock's assets and shut down Fox News since certain guests, and especially Carlson, are allowed to freely disseminate information easily confirmed as false that supports and gives comfort to our enemy. This was done in the lead up to and during WW II while Nazi sympathizing organizations like the German American Bund were dissolved. Here's an article that makes the argument. I'm personally not ready for that step but it's something to keep on the back burner. Fox deals heavily in Kremlin propaganda, and this is at odds with our national security. Here's a sample:
"Russia would never give genuine western journalists airtime. But it can always find a slot for its favourite quisling: Fox News's Tucker Carlson. He pushes out Russian propaganda lines or perhaps creates his own lies for Russia to use. Ukraine, not Russia, is the real tyranny. Nato provoked poor Vladimir Putin. The west is plotting to use biological weapons. Last week, he floated the theory that the war was not the result of an unprovoked invasion by a colonialist dictatorship but of the Biden administration's desire to avenge Donald Trump's victory in 2016.
It was a big hit in Moscow, reported BuzzFeed's Julia Davis. "State TV propagandists loved it so much, Russia's 60 Minutes included it not once, but twice in their evening broadcast – neatly bookended by the Kremlin's war propaganda."
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...urdochs-assets
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07-28-22 04:01 #1210
Posts: 1680Russian Economy Imploding
Based on a wealth of research See imbedded links within the article. Here's a sample.
"Despite Putin's delusions of self-sufficiency and import substitution, Russian domestic production has come to a complete standstill with no capacity to replace lost businesses, products and talent; the hollowing out of Russia's domestic innovation and production base has led to soaring prices and consumer angst.
—As a result of the business retreat, Russia has lost companies representing 40% of its GDP, reversing nearly all of three decades' worth of foreign investment and buttressing unprecedented simultaneous capital and population flight in a mass exodus of Russia's economic base.
—Putin is resorting to patently unsustainable, dramatic fiscal and monetary intervention to smooth over these structural economic weaknesses, which has already sent his government budget into deficit for the first time in years and drained his foreign reserves even with high energy prices – and Kremlin finances are in much, much more dire straits than conventionally understood."
https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/chie...-and-sanctions
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07-28-22 03:18 #1209
Posts: 1680Well
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
As to anyone thinking Ukraine is going to have an easy time on the battlefield and live happily ever after, who the fuck has made that argument? Rofl Given the propensity toward straw men you and Elvis should get a long well. Enjoy the love in.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
P.S. Jmsuttr's posts are missed, but I can see why he dropped out. The pro-Russia crowd for whatever reason is very much the majority in the free for all threads on this pay for sex site, whatever that means. Going in circles with them daily, and for no pay is hardly worth the effort. Thankfully such traitors are very much the minority in the US, Western Europe, and certainly in NATO Eastern Euro countries. Ultimately that's what's most important.
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07-28-22 03:05 #1208
Posts: 2793Originally Posted by Travv [View Original Post]
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07-27-22 23:11 #1207
Posts: 1056Shooting Hoops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP2wPJ51pdw
American filth are looking to have a drug tsarina and a spy released. One of the reasons Americans (and Israel, two cheeks) are the filth of the world. The spammers here are the reason 1. The moderator has these quarantined threads; 2. These quarantined threads are stupid shit. Unless Russia gets a favourable deal, these American criminals should pay in full for their crimes. Americans do not belong in Europe, except in gulags.
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07-27-22 22:54 #1206
Posts: 1680P.s.
It's time to torpedo another piece of Russo propaganda while we're at it. The claim Russia was given assurances of no NATO expansion at the fall of the Berlin Wall is nonsense. For one thing the Warsaw Pact was still in place so there would have been no point in discussing the fates of nations beyond Germany. Such was never on the table. The subject never came up as Mikail Gorbachev confirmed. The subject of NATO's enlargement "was not discussed at all. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either. " Troop deployment in the former East Germany was all that was considered.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-...he-east-177085
This issue has been covered a number of times before on the thread, however since there's always Johnny come latelys who show up with the same specious arguments that were shot down in the past. It thus has to be done all over again. Such is the circular nature of political discussions for anyone that stays in them for any length time.
But it is important to state again, for anyone who wishes to turn it into a referendum on Biden and Democrats that support for Ukraine is quite bi-partisan, with only 11 Republican senators voting against the latest aid package to Ukraine. Therefore most Republican lawmakers aren't buying Russian propaganda and aren't letting Tucker Carlson do their thinking for them. That's a very good thing and gives cause for hope for American democracy.
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07-27-22 20:24 #1205
Posts: 657Zelenskys Conscription Now Targeting Nursing Homes. Elders Flee for Their Lives
Ukrainian nursing home operators are reporting a surge in walk-offs due to elders' fears that Zelensky's increasingly desperate recruiting efforts will target them next.
75-year-old retiree Cadger Starets, who recently went AWOL from the Kladovyshche Nursing Home in Kiev, explained during an interview at an undisclosed location: "They're already grabbing 50-year-olds off the streets, beaches, shopping malls, 'checkpoints, gas stations and other public places. ' Looks like they're coming for us next. ".
Ukrainian President Vlodomyr Zelensky denied reports that militarily unfit old people are next in line for the press gang treatment. "We understand that some nursing home residents have severe disabilities that prevent them from firing heavy artillery for a few minutes until they are blown up," the heroic piano-playing president intoned. "Our recruiters have been trained to identify those cases and exempt them from military service. Only fully able, fit, militarily-trainable decrepit old farts will be forcibly inducted and sent to the front lines. ".
Specifically, Zelensky said, old folks who are wheelchair-bound or severely mobility-impaired will be exempt. Those using walkers or canes, however, may still be drafted, as well as those unable to control excretory functions: "All of our troops lose control of excretory functions during Russian artillery strikes, so that shouldn't be an issue. " Likewise, dementia will not be an obstacle to induction: "If it doesn't stop you from being president of the United States, it shouldn't stop you from dying on the front lines of a stupid, utterly unnecessary war. ".
Zelensky added that his sugar daddy Igor Kolomoyskyi, who turns 60 next February, works in an essential industry, organized crime, and will therefore be granted a draft exemption. . .
Comments: Good way to solve the pension shortfall crisis! Send draft notices to all social security recipients then ship them off to the trenches to face the Russian artillery barrages! LOL.
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07-27-22 19:54 #1204
Posts: 1680Well
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
The bottom line is that Russia needed reasons for the invasion to spin in their media, so they created a "crisis" with this demand they knew would be rejected. The bottom line though is exactly what you said, they are out to rebuild empire, and especially want the valuable Ukrainian industries, farmlands, and sea ports. This while they specifically stated they aren't concerned about Finland joining the alliance, a country they share a 1340 Km border with.
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07-27-22 18:38 #1203
Posts: 657Zelensky's Conscription Now Targeting Nursing Homes
Elderly flee press gangs.
Ukrainian nursing home operators are reporting a surge in walk-offs due to elders' fears that Zelensky's increasingly desperate recruiting efforts will target them next.
75-year-old retiree Cadger Starets, who recently went AWOL from the Kladovyshche Nursing Home in Kiev, explained during an interview at an undisclosed location: "They're already grabbing 50-year-olds off the streets, beaches, shopping malls, 'checkpoints, gas stations and other public places. ' Looks like they're coming for us next. ".
Specifically, Zelensky said, old folks who are wheelchair-bound or severely mobility-impaired will be exempt. Those using walkers or canes, however, may still be drafted, as well as those unable to control excretory functions: "All of our troops lose control of excretory functions during Russian artillery strikes, so that shouldn't be an issue. " Likewise, dementia will not be an obstacle to induction to military service: "If it doesn't stop you from being president of the United States, it shouldn't stop you from dying on the front lines of a stupid, utterly unnecessary war. "
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/0...nursing-homes/
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07-27-22 15:40 #1202
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
I think the real reason the USA Still maintains a European presence is that NATO has given our leaders a continuing excuse to maintain a large, standing army abroad. As you seem to believe, Putin might feel threatened by NATO but the current purpose of USA Troops in Europe is to have a standby army near the oil fields of the Mideast. The USA Army in Europe could possibly be re-positioned later in the Asia Pacific region.
I don't know what historical global strategist first said that the problem with a large, standing army is that you tend to want to use it. This has certainly been the United States' failing.
You might not notice, but I don't care for black & white narratives in global analysis. I almost always find it is too simplistic and is used to reach a preconceived perspective. I'm also not one of these guys thinking the Ukraine is easily going to run Russia out, trigger the end of the Putin regime and it will be a great ending to the conflict.
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07-27-22 06:52 #1201
Posts: 1949Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
How many times after the WW2 the Russian Army has marched on? Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Poland, Chechnya (that was an internal and controversial affair, but still), Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine.
8 years ago when he attacked Ukraine for the first time, it would've been easy to stop him. Our collective weakness has turned Putin into a mad lunatic. Now we're having what we're having -- all blown war. I can only hope we don't give up again.
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07-26-22 20:39 #1200
Posts: 3211Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
Yeah, I want out of NATO too. What return do we get on our investment? Russia is a joke. China is the real threat.