Stupid Shit in Brazil

[The Cane]

TC's view about cash in principle is right and it can still be considered timeless. But on the practical side is out of date because technology improvements as I have pointed out. I only showed facts and what I saw on the ground, and not even trying to argue. TC seemed to dig into a position and at the same time seemed to think others are the same. He showed a report but seemed to ignore on the ground latest evidences, thus I said dug his heels in and one of the places that I draw the parallel from. I am flexible and I tell you when I used cash as I have shown in my post.

I presented an article from February of this year that cites data from Abecs indicating that one quarter of electronic payments in Brazil are contactless. Abecs is the association in Brazil that represents that country's electronic payments sector. So, you know more about it than they do? I don't think so. The same article stated further that contactless payments are growing exponentially in Brazil (I acknowledged that), and could soon reach 50%. I said that if and when it gets to 75%, then I would be comfortable (that's my flexibility level). So what's your self-professed obsession with what I said? And I emphasize I because again, if it's Sperto saying it, then you don't seem to have anything to say about it yourself then. And if Vagabundo is being a jerk, you never have anything to say about that either. But you're always following me around in this thread and that trying to step on my dick. Now how unpleasant is that? Seems like the obsession is with me. Now, if by "digging in" you mean sticking with the facts over your anecdotal evidence of what you saw, well then you're doggone right! I will go with well-presented facts from reliable sources each and every time, and not be swayed by the fact that a monger posted a picture of a street sausage seller accepting credit cards LOL! And then fessed up to paying cash in the end hahahaha! OMFG too funny!

[Nounce]

Last year, I was conversing with a member ..

I think the member who deleted his account was a SP resident

[Nounce]

Just to be clear, for me, (The Cane or anyone else can speak for themselves), the "dismissal" of Bwana Dik guide (aka.The Bubba Boy Guide), was largely due to VB1's hypocracy w/r to "age old information" and his prejudicial judgment, over it coming from one source verses the other.

It's not about dismissing something or about my agreement / disagreement with it. I am just pointing out the inconsistency of viewpoints and I draw a parallel from that to show it.

TC's view about cash in principle is right and it can still be considered timeless. But on the practical side is out of date because technology improvements as I have pointed out. I only showed facts and what I saw on the ground, and not even trying to argue. TC seemed to dig into a position and at the same time seemed to think others are the same. He showed a report but seemed to ignore on the ground latest evidences, thus I said dug his heels in and one of the places that I draw the parallel from. I am flexible and I tell you when I used cash as I have shown in my post.

Just want to give you a straight answer and unfortunately I have to give an example which maybe unpleasant the way I put it. I hope that can clear up something

[The Cane]

I have to choose my words carefully in order to not cause more damage. I am not even sure if the word "damage" is appropriate but that is my best effort. I will have my tail between my legs go into hiding soon

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm not seeking any apologies from anybody. And speaking of "damage", it's VB1's behavior here (and other places) that has done a lot of that. I don't like him, and I'm not alone in that. He's damn right we'll never meet! And as long as you choose to keep acting as his "proxy" (yes you do), then to use Spidy's language, that's going to lead to "dust ups" between us too. I think it's best if the both of you just stay out of my business, and me out of yours. And as for Sperto, when it's all said and done, at the end of the day who gives a shit? He's long since been pushed to the margins since his old crew all abandoned him LOL (those of you who have been around a long time know who).

[Nounce]

Thanks you for your explanation, it was much appreciated!

I think The Cane, has answered your other questions, explained himself and has given you his history and "context" behind the Bwana Dik guide (aka. The Bubba Boy Guide) dust-up, amongst other things.

I think that's not the history with me. My post can be read independently on its own. What I see is that TC is in a disadvantage position, and he digs his heels in. I underestimated the damage I could do and I did it intentionally to show certain aspect of things. I could apologize but as is he may misunderstand that I am apologizing something I am not.

I have to choose my words carefully in order to not cause more damage. I am not even sure if the word "damage" is appropriate but that is my best effort. I will have my tail between my legs go into hiding soon, hopefully with a newly-mint SB. hehe

[The Cane]

Isn't that strange? I've put you on my ignore list years ago so I don't have to read your posts, still you keep mentioning my in your posts. Now I got a PM you wrote about me. How about you leave me out of your posts? Try to travel abroad and you might get laid.

It is strange isn't it? That you always seem to respond to somebody who you're supposedly ignoring LOL! Try not going to dirty prives where you have to use an old flyer to grip the railings so as to avoid getting Vagabundo's cum on your hands will you? Hahahaha!

[The Cane]

But as we all know; talk is cheap.

Why are you running your mouth then? "Shoetroll" LOLOLOL! If the "shoe" fits wear it bro.

[The Cane]

Xpartan, both, The Cane and Wyatt Earp, have responded to this with their POVs, insights and knowledge on the matter and I found their post to be illuminating and has peeked my curiosity. I can't speak to this topic and have no first hand knowledge to share.

But it is a VERY INTERESTING topic of concern. Perhaps raising the question:

• Does bullying/extreme quarreling lead to quitting ISG?

• Or is it more than just quarreling?

Hopefully, it would provide more POVs from more BMs and more answers?

You do have knowledge that I shared with you by PM that is in fact my own firsthand knowledge gathered from the subject former senior member himself. I told you who the senior member who quit is by name, and you did your own research and found indeed that the man has not posted here in ages, and you can't even find his handle here anymore (it seems his old posts now just appear as "member" with a number following). You know my intel is solid Spidy, and you ought to acknowledge that versus beating around the bushes. I have also conveyed who it is to WyattEarp, another monger here whom I trust. I was going to fill Xpartan in and let him know as well, but his mailbox was full. And as I told you both (Spidy and WyattEarp), I don't mention who it is here publicly because the guy told me he was afraid that if VB1 found out about how he felt about him (and about some other things this unknown monger was involved in), that VB1 would try to "doxx" him. The "unknown monger" conveyed to me that he had seen VB1 do that to at least one other person.

So, I have respected his privacy by not naming him here publicly. My information is solid and backed up by the facts, and I don't appreciate Xpartan challenging my veracity. He may think it's a ridiculous assertion, but that shows just what he knows about it, which is nothing. And WyattEarp recently conveyed what he knows about another member walking away from the board because of VB1, a situation which I was also aware of as well, but the person was not a senior member with gravitas here like the other I have referred to. Like we used to say back in the day, if you don't know then you better ask somebody! Both Spidy and WyattEarp know! Ask them if it's just some "ridiculous" bullshit I made up or what? They know the facts because I told them, and they could easily do some quick checking on their own (and I know that Spidy did) to confirm. I'm not about to torpedo the credibility I've established over the years by spreading a bunch of bullshit lies. The facts prove the veracity of my statements on this. And that's what matters. The facts.

[Spidy]

... The Cane dismisses BB's writing...

Just to be clear, for me, (The Cane or anyone else can speak for themselves), the "dismissal" of Bwana Dik guide (aka.The Bubba Boy Guide), was largely due to VB1's hypocracy w/r to "age old information" and his prejudicial judgment, over it coming from one source verses the other.

I, was not "dismissing", The Bwana Dik guide (aka.The Bubba Boy Guide), as I know it is still useful and has value to some BMs and yet not so much for others. Nevertheless, it remains "one of many sources of information" and it's relevance or value, is accessed according to each individual's mongering travel goals, needs and priorities.

But the sad fact is, the The Bwana Dik guide (aka.The Bubba Boy Guide), barely registers on most mongerer's radar as a "go-to-source", when mongering in Brazil, these days.

... And I know of one senior member who actually quit the board altogether. He stopped posting and got rid of his account (the last time I searched for him I could not find him here). ...

Come on, this is just ridiculous. People leave forums for all kinds of reasons. I don't know how thin-skinned one must be to get rid of his account just because he's gotten in q(uarrel)...

As ridiculous as it may seem, it's the truth. And I have zero reason to lie about it. Now, I won't reveal the member's name publicly because I don't think he would want that. I will say that I didn't believe him when he told me he was out of here. I didn't think he was going to do it, but he did, and he said it was because he thought VB1 had ruined the Brazil section over a two-year period, ...

Last year, I was conversing with a member who wrote some great posts last year about Rio. He had become a target of animosity. He and others joined an infamous member's posse for a ride around town. His crime was that he was underwhelmed with some of the venues on the itinerary and politely posted such...

Xpartan, both, The Cane and Wyatt Earp, have responded to this with their POVs, insights and knowledge on the matter and I found their post to be illuminating and has peeked my curiosity. I can't speak to this topic and have no first hand knowledge to share.

But it is a VERY INTERESTING topic of concern. Perhaps raising the question:

• Does bullying/extreme quarreling lead to quitting ISG?

• Or is it more than just quarreling?

Hopefully, it would provide more POVs from more BMs and more answers?

... Annoying or not, he brings a lot of useful info and valuable datapoints for those 99% of us who travel occasionally and can't just move to Brazil.

Agreed! VB1's intel on several things, have been very beneficial for me personally and on occasion, I have found his POVs to be of interest. Although these days I just "ignore" much of his posts (as I am sure he does mine).

Although, that is not currently what I was debuting here (at least not by me), I understand, much of the dialogue presented will often "spin-off" sub-categories/issues. This can be a good thing, most times.

... You want to come at me Nounce in a proxy war? Then you had better come correct and drop the bias that keeps you overlooking the transgressions of VB1 and Sperto while criticizing me. That's been tried many times before. It always fails.

Cane, while I agree with your sentiment, the use of "proxy war" (albeit probably just a "turn of phrase"), sounded a bit too nuclear (...kkk), but I get your drift. "Dust-up" works for me.

My intent here, isn't to malign or disparage anyone. It is to simply clear up any misconceptions and provide "context" and "clarity", w/r to The Bwana Dik guide (aka.The Bubba Boy Guide), and to give BMs an opportunity to present their POVs and air their differences.

Hopefully this round of discussions and dialogue has done just that.

NOTE: This topic is still open (as far as I am concerned), if other BMs, still wish to weigh-in. Although, I have to admit the silence is deafening coming from the "peanut gallery".

[Xpartan]

1. Cleaned my mail.

2. I think I know who you mean, and it's unfortunate if that's the case. He's skillful and entertaining writer, I'm sorry he quit.

3. Cane, I never meant to call you a liar (or imply that). Sorry if it came out like that.

But listen, I've never met VB, I don't share his political views (my goodness, I don't! His sometimes harsh criticism of other members, or his weird paramilitary inclinations (LOL), but I do share his passion about having fun in Rio. And I like his anecdotes and datapoints, too. Helps to stay "hydrated" between my trips, kkk.

Now, changing handles to prove a point is unseemly, if true. I'll never understand why some folks are trying so hard to prove anything. This is a mongering forum, for fuck's sake, not the UN.

[Spidy]

In short,

I value BB's writing and I value The Cane's writing. The Cane dismisses BB's writing. I assume The Cane's values The Cane's writing.

When I compare The Cane to BB, it is a compliment from me like I stated in my post. I guess The Cane is not upset about my compliment. But there is a conflict based on The Cane's view, so what

do you think The Cane is upset with? ...

Thanks you for your explanation, it was much appreciated!

I think The Cane, has answered your other questions, explained himself and has given you his history and "context" behind the Bwana Dik guide (aka. The Bubba Boy Guide) dust-up, amongst other things.

[ShooBree]

Once again the hypocrisy comes out. It was VB1 who first resorted to a "wealth argument", insinuating that I have not traveled to Brazil because I can't afford it. Did you refer to his writing then as "silly"? No, it's only if I decide to address the matter head-on. Then you have the gall to call "silly" on me. Why didn't you say that when he made his charge and made it an issue? Oh yeah that's right. You value what he has to say. Whether it's based on anything or not, other than petty mean-spiritedness. What does he know about me anyway? Just understand that "affordability", which he brought up, has nothing to do with it. You want to come at me Nounce in a proxy war? Then you had better come correct and drop the bias that keeps you overlooking the transgressions of VB1 and Sperto while criticizing me. That's been tried many times before. It always fails.

Hahhaha, the drama queen is at it again! It hilarious to see how sensitive you are and how you feel a constant need to talk yourself up. But as we all know; talk is cheap.

[ShooBree]

It's actually worse than that. He's said that nobody should be posting if the information is more than 6 months from having had boots on the ground. He made a post to that effect somewhere in these threads, but I'm not wasting my time looking for it. But who, I ask, anointed him Monger Emperor? And how purposeful and productive was (past tense) his reign anyway? He essentially turned the Brazil threads into a self-promoting, personal diary that annoyed so many members that they stopped posting. And I know of one senior member who actually quit the board altogether. He stopped posting and got rid of his account (the last time I searched for him I could not find him here). I wouldn't give this guy the benefit of the doubt on anything. He even posted under an old handle to make it look like somebody else was joining him in criticizing another member here. Now that was low! Maybe he forgot that many of us first encountered him under that old handle, but us old-timers did not. The best predictor of the future is the past. We need not words but actions. Walk the talk!

You're as always out looking for drama. I have always considered your posts to be childish, irrelevant and drama seeking. Its funny that you are so sensitive and out looking for drama that you felt the need (despite no previous communication) to send me a pm crying about racism. LMFAO!

[Vagabundo1]

Bubba Boy's guide is of timeless value to Rio mongering because all the dynamics of meeting the girl in the terma are still true. Just last night with a new ISG member, I was trying to translate for him at Perola Negra. He could have used some of the points in Bubba Boy's guide.

As for price check update, all that you need is at.

https://gparena.net/

I guess somehow I've gotten controversial again. I see this in responses because I ignore some members if there's no good energy there.

But, I will allow you this. Even if all you do is come on this forum to relive your great times, that's fine. There are lots of sites on the internet where people do only that. I would just say, get your stuff together, come to Rio and make new memories.

In short,

I value BB's writing and I value The Cane's writing. The Cane dismisses BB's writing. I assume The Cane's values The Cane's writing.

When I compare The Cane to BB, it is a compliment from me like I stated in my post. I guess The Cane is not upset about my compliment. But there is a conflict based on The Cane's view, so what do you think The Cane is upset with?

Use wealth as an argument is a little silly. Luxury is a handicap when you can't really afford it. I can live on 60 are $ a day in Sao Paulo and enjoy it. That gave me the freedom of choices to do what I want to do today, not tomorrow or in the future, and I can say no to the things that I don't want to do. I have freedom to do things on my terms. I can also hang with most people when I choose to regardless cost.

[Sperto]

Then you had better come correct and drop the bias that keeps you overlooking the transgressions of VB1 and Sperto while criticizing me.

Isn't that strange? I've put you on my ignore list years ago so I don't have to read your posts, still you keep mentioning my in your posts. Now I got a PM you wrote about me. How about you leave me out of your posts? Try to travel abroad and you might get laid.