Stupid Shit in Brazil

[Xpartan]

1. Cleaned my mail.

2. I think I know who you mean, and it's unfortunate if that's the case. He's skillful and entertaining writer, I'm sorry he quit.

3. Cane, I never meant to call you a liar (or imply that). Sorry if it came out like that.

But listen, I've never met VB, I don't share his political views (my goodness, I don't! His sometimes harsh criticism of other members, or his weird paramilitary inclinations (LOL), but I do share his passion about having fun in Rio. And I like his anecdotes and datapoints, too. Helps to stay "hydrated" between my trips, kkk.

Now, changing handles to prove a point is unseemly, if true. I'll never understand why some folks are trying so hard to prove anything. This is a mongering forum, for fuck's sake, not the UN.

[Spidy]

In short,

I value BB's writing and I value The Cane's writing. The Cane dismisses BB's writing. I assume The Cane's values The Cane's writing.

When I compare The Cane to BB, it is a compliment from me like I stated in my post. I guess The Cane is not upset about my compliment. But there is a conflict based on The Cane's view, so what

do you think The Cane is upset with? ...

Thanks you for your explanation, it was much appreciated!

I think The Cane, has answered your other questions, explained himself and has given you his history and "context" behind the Bwana Dik guide (aka. The Bubba Boy Guide) dust-up, amongst other things.

[ShooBree]

Once again the hypocrisy comes out. It was VB1 who first resorted to a "wealth argument", insinuating that I have not traveled to Brazil because I can't afford it. Did you refer to his writing then as "silly"? No, it's only if I decide to address the matter head-on. Then you have the gall to call "silly" on me. Why didn't you say that when he made his charge and made it an issue? Oh yeah that's right. You value what he has to say. Whether it's based on anything or not, other than petty mean-spiritedness. What does he know about me anyway? Just understand that "affordability", which he brought up, has nothing to do with it. You want to come at me Nounce in a proxy war? Then you had better come correct and drop the bias that keeps you overlooking the transgressions of VB1 and Sperto while criticizing me. That's been tried many times before. It always fails.

Hahhaha, the drama queen is at it again! It hilarious to see how sensitive you are and how you feel a constant need to talk yourself up. But as we all know; talk is cheap.

[ShooBree]

It's actually worse than that. He's said that nobody should be posting if the information is more than 6 months from having had boots on the ground. He made a post to that effect somewhere in these threads, but I'm not wasting my time looking for it. But who, I ask, anointed him Monger Emperor? And how purposeful and productive was (past tense) his reign anyway? He essentially turned the Brazil threads into a self-promoting, personal diary that annoyed so many members that they stopped posting. And I know of one senior member who actually quit the board altogether. He stopped posting and got rid of his account (the last time I searched for him I could not find him here). I wouldn't give this guy the benefit of the doubt on anything. He even posted under an old handle to make it look like somebody else was joining him in criticizing another member here. Now that was low! Maybe he forgot that many of us first encountered him under that old handle, but us old-timers did not. The best predictor of the future is the past. We need not words but actions. Walk the talk!

You're as always out looking for drama. I have always considered your posts to be childish, irrelevant and drama seeking. Its funny that you are so sensitive and out looking for drama that you felt the need (despite no previous communication) to send me a pm crying about racism. LMFAO!

[Vagabundo1]

Bubba Boy's guide is of timeless value to Rio mongering because all the dynamics of meeting the girl in the terma are still true. Just last night with a new ISG member, I was trying to translate for him at Perola Negra. He could have used some of the points in Bubba Boy's guide.

As for price check update, all that you need is at.

https://gparena.net/

I guess somehow I've gotten controversial again. I see this in responses because I ignore some members if there's no good energy there.

But, I will allow you this. Even if all you do is come on this forum to relive your great times, that's fine. There are lots of sites on the internet where people do only that. I would just say, get your stuff together, come to Rio and make new memories.

In short,

I value BB's writing and I value The Cane's writing. The Cane dismisses BB's writing. I assume The Cane's values The Cane's writing.

When I compare The Cane to BB, it is a compliment from me like I stated in my post. I guess The Cane is not upset about my compliment. But there is a conflict based on The Cane's view, so what do you think The Cane is upset with?

Use wealth as an argument is a little silly. Luxury is a handicap when you can't really afford it. I can live on 60 are $ a day in Sao Paulo and enjoy it. That gave me the freedom of choices to do what I want to do today, not tomorrow or in the future, and I can say no to the things that I don't want to do. I have freedom to do things on my terms. I can also hang with most people when I choose to regardless cost.

[Sperto]

Then you had better come correct and drop the bias that keeps you overlooking the transgressions of VB1 and Sperto while criticizing me.

Isn't that strange? I've put you on my ignore list years ago so I don't have to read your posts, still you keep mentioning my in your posts. Now I got a PM you wrote about me. How about you leave me out of your posts? Try to travel abroad and you might get laid.

[WyattEarp]

Come on, this is just ridiculous. People leave forums for all kinds of reasons. I don't know how thin-skinned one must be to get rid of his account just because he's gotten in q.

Last year, I was conversing with a member who wrote some great posts last year about Rio. He had become a target of animosity. He and others joined an infamous member's posse for a ride around town. His crime was that he was underwhelmed with some of the venues on the itinerary and politely posted such.

I think it is quite clear some members don't just recommend certain venues. They become personally and possibly emotionally vested in venues they frequent and recommend.

Where things went very bad was that hostile posts targeting the relative newbie had to be moderated. Then the aggressive member started posting under another handle. I seem to recall some of that was moderated. In the end, the targeted member was receiving intimidating and critical PMs. At that point, he told me he was just going to leave the Board.

Things started to chill down after that and the tone here improved. I believe the moderators started to realize a problem had developed over time. While a member might be on the ground and have very strong opinions, they could not be allowed to try to dominate other members and their perspective.

It's possible this new guy joined ISG in advance of a Rio trip and was going to step back up after returning Stateside. However, deleting your account is a bigger action. It's always possible that this guy returns to the this forum under another handle in another city. I hope so. He made some excellent contributions.

[The Cane]

In short,

I value BB's writing and I value The Cane's writing. The Cane dismisses BB's writing. I assume The Cane's values The Cane's writing.

When I compare The Cane to BB, it is a compliment from me like I stated in my post. I guess The Cane is not upset about my compliment. But there is a conflict based on The Cane's view, so what do you think The Cane is upset with?

Use wealth as an argument is a little silly. Luxury is a handicap when you can't really afford it. I can live on 60 are $ a day in Sao Paulo and enjoy it. That gave me the freedom of choices to do what I want to do today, not tomorrow or in the future, and I can say no to the things that I don't want to do. I have freedom to do things on my terms. I can also hang with most people when I choose to regardless cost.

Once again the hypocrisy comes out. It was VB1 who first resorted to a "wealth argument", insinuating that I have not traveled to Brazil because I can't afford it. Did you refer to his writing then as "silly"? No, it's only if I decide to address the matter head-on. Then you have the gall to call "silly" on me. Why didn't you say that when he made his charge and made it an issue? Oh yeah that's right. You value what he has to say. Whether it's based on anything or not, other than petty mean-spiritedness. What does he know about me anyway? Just understand that "affordability", which he brought up, has nothing to do with it. You want to come at me Nounce in a proxy war? Then you had better come correct and drop the bias that keeps you overlooking the transgressions of VB1 and Sperto while criticizing me. That's been tried many times before. It always fails.

[Nounce]

Nounce, I was trying to figure out what you meant and if it was even correctly contextualize according the initial dust-up between BMs and the circumstances surrounding the Bwana Dik guide (aka.The Bubba Boy Guide). ....

In short,

I value BB's writing and I value The Cane's writing. The Cane dismisses BB's writing. I assume The Cane's values The Cane's writing.

When I compare The Cane to BB, it is a compliment from me like I stated in my post. I guess The Cane is not upset about my compliment. But there is a conflict based on The Cane's view, so what do you think The Cane is upset with?

Use wealth as an argument is a little silly. Luxury is a handicap when you can't really afford it. I can live on 60 are $ a day in Sao Paulo and enjoy it. That gave me the freedom of choices to do what I want to do today, not tomorrow or in the future, and I can say no to the things that I don't want to do. I have freedom to do things on my terms. I can also hang with most people when I choose to regardless cost.

[The Cane]

Coincidentally hit the "upload" button and cut my reply.

So what I was trying to say is that I'll sooner believe that the above account-closing member decided to run for Senate rather than he got so irreversibly damaged by Vagabundo remarks.

I tried to send you a message, but your box is full. Please clear.

[The Cane]

Come on, this is just ridiculous. People leave forums for all kinds of reasons. I don't know how thin-skinned one must be to get rid of his account just because he's gotten in q. Annoying or not, he brings a lot of useful info and valuable datapoints for those 99% of us who travel occasionally and can't just move to Brazil.

As ridiculous as it may seem, it's the truth. And I have zero reason to lie about it. Now, I won't reveal the member's name publicly because I don't think he would want that. I will say that I didn't believe him when he told me he was out of here. I didn't think he was going to do it, but he did, and he said it was because he thought VB1 had ruined the Brazil section over a two-year period, and he no longer wanted to participate here. And sure enough, he hasn't posted here in months. And when I last searched for his handle, I could not find it here. That's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but. I'm reporting what the member told me he was going to do, and what he has in fact done. I didn't think he was serious, but he was. Believe it or not. Hey, it's the stupid shit thread right?

[Xpartan]

It's actually worse than that. He's said that nobody should be posting if the information is more than 6 months from having had boots on the ground. He made a post to that effect somewhere in these threads, but I'm not wasting my time looking for it. But who, I ask, anointed him Monger Emperor? And how purposeful and productive was (past tense) his reign anyway? He essentially turned the Brazil threads into a self-promoting, personal diary that annoyed so many members that they stopped posting. And I know of one senior member who actually quit the board altogether. He stopped posting and got rid of his account (the last time I searched for him I could not find him here). I wouldn't give this guy the benefit of the doubt on anything. He even posted under an old handle to make it look like somebody else was joining him in criticizing another member here. Now that was low! Maybe he forgot that many of us first encountered him under that old handle, but us old-timers did not. The best predictor of the future is the past. We need not words but actions. Walk the talk!

Coincidentally hit the "upload" button and cut my reply.

So what I was trying to say is that I'll sooner believe that the above account-closing member decided to run for Senate rather than he got so irreversibly damaged by Vagabundo remarks.

[Xpartan]

It's actually worse than that. He's said that nobody should be posting if the information is more than 6 months from having had boots on the ground. He made a post to that effect somewhere in these threads, but I'm not wasting my time looking for it. But who, I ask, anointed him Monger Emperor? And how purposeful and productive was (past tense) his reign anyway? He essentially turned the Brazil threads into a self-promoting, personal diary that annoyed so many members that they stopped posting. And I know of one senior member who actually quit the board altogether. He stopped posting and got rid of his account (the last time I searched for him I could not find him here). I wouldn't give this guy the benefit of the doubt on anything. He even posted under an old handle to make it look like somebody else was joining him in criticizing another member here. Now that was low! Maybe he forgot that many of us first encountered him under that old handle, but us old-timers did not. The best predictor of the future is the past. We need not words but actions. Walk the talk!

Come on, this is just ridiculous. People leave forums for all kinds of reasons. I don't know how thin-skinned one must be to get rid of his account just because he's gotten in q.

Annoying or not, he brings a lot of useful info and valuable datapoints for those 99% of us who travel occasionally and can't just move to Brazil.

[The Cane]

For awhile now, VB1, has been decrying and stating the absurdity about BMs, that they shouldn't post information/contribute to the Brazil threads, if they haven't had "boots-on-the-ground" in the last 2 years. VB1, given your history on "bullying, telling others what to post, what to wear, where to monger, how to spend their own money...etc", this quote (and I must say a pretty good one at that), seems bit disingenuous.

It's actually worse than that. He's said that nobody should be posting if the information is more than 6 months from having had boots on the ground. He made a post to that effect somewhere in these threads, but I'm not wasting my time looking for it. But who, I ask, anointed him Monger Emperor? And how purposeful and productive was (past tense) his reign anyway? He essentially turned the Brazil threads into a self-promoting, personal diary that annoyed so many members that they stopped posting. And I know of one senior member who actually quit the board altogether. He stopped posting and got rid of his account (the last time I searched for him I could not find him here). I wouldn't give this guy the benefit of the doubt on anything. He even posted under an old handle to make it look like somebody else was joining him in criticizing another member here. Now that was low! Maybe he forgot that many of us first encountered him under that old handle, but us old-timers did not. The best predictor of the future is the past. We need not words but actions. Walk the talk!

[Spidy]

You know those things are totally unrelated and it sounds more like you are your own slave, right? You also know if it takes even longer for you to visit Brazil, you will

become Bubba boy 2, right? ...

Nounce, I was trying to figure out what you meant and if it was even correctly contextualize according the initial dust-up between BMs and the circumstances surrounding the Bwana Dik guide (aka.The Bubba Boy Guide).

Brief summary of my Version of events : (Others please feel free to provide their own version, if I've missed anything.)

For awhile now, VB1, has been decrying and stating the absurdity about BMs, that they shouldn't post information/contribute to the Brazil threads, if they haven't had "boots-on-the-ground" in the last 2 years. This messaging was so toxic to many BMs, that it caused quite the "dust-up" (if you remember) and many BMs, including myself and The Cane, pushed back.

Here are a couple of posts , highlighting, around the time/days, one of these "dust-ups" occurred, w/r to the topic at hand. I think there was others, but they currently allude me. (Please PM/post if anyone know of other dates or threads).

I've been in Rio for 100 weeks ... But I think everyone should know that you're basically a blogger about a subject in which your actual boots on the ground knowledge is over 2 years old....

Right, and that is not a put down? You're not even in Rio, like The Cane, yet you post daily. It speaks for itself.

Then, The Cane, rightly so, called him out and pushed back.

This was in regards to his inconsistent, disconnected and hypocritical stance, on posting/contributing information, reporting or helping other BMs if the information or person had not had boots-on-the-ground in the last 2 years. Yet all the while he was pushing and pimping a 10+ yr old document with 10+ yr old information.

Hence the contradiction and hypocracy, surrounding the Bwana Dik guide (aka. "The Bubba Boy Guide" the updated version(s) by Bubba Boy). So Cane, was simply pointing out, if you are going to criticize BMs who post and share information more than 2 years old (on Brazil), then DON'T BE A HYPOCRITE and pimp-out the 10+ yr old guide.

... Just absurd and ridiculous to think, just because other BM/ISGers haven't been on the ground in 2, 3 or even 10 years, they shouldn't post, as if they don't have the right to post or have anything to contribute, is nonsensical.

I remember this because even I called out VB1, on this nonsense. Not sure what VB1 reasons were (he'll have to provide his version of events/reasons), but his position on "what should be contributed", just didn't sit right with some of us, so we pushed back, saying "we value all information", no matter the age.

There is no ISG regulations (that I know of) that disallows the posting of information, experiences, nostalgia, stories or news, more than 2 years old.

For example: I just helped another BM with an "unwanted pregnancy" problem, with a story/experience that I had in 2005, that was relevant today. How is that NOT helpful to other BMs, even though I haven't had boots-on-the-ground in 2 years?

(LINK: "Pregnant sugar baby in Rio. Part 3": http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2728983)

There are those of us, that post and report on our known information and/or experiences gained in Brazil from 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, or 30+ years ago. IMHO, it's ALL GOOD information/experiences, that is honestly shared, in the hopes that some BMs may find it helpful, despite said age of the information. Many of us just need to learn to take what we need and leave/ignore the rest.

Although, there are times, like in this case here, where "push back" is warranted.

Nounce, with that said, can you shed some light on what you meant by,"You know those things are totally unrelated and it sounds more like you are your own slave, right? You also know if it takes even longer for you to visit Brazil, you will become Bubba boy 2, right?" ???

"Absorb what is useful. Reject what is useless. Add what is essentially your own." At BruceLeeLegacy.

VB1, given your history on "bullying, telling others what to post, what to wear, were to monger, how to spend their own money...etc", this quote (and I must say a pretty good one at that), seems bit disingenuous. However, currently, I'm inclined to believe you and give the benefit of the doubt, w/r to posting "age old information".