Stupid Shit in Brazil

[Spidy]

Today, lots of people work for free. There are many reasons and benefits why people do it. But don't fool yourself, with false expectations when doing a job/work for free. Not everyone will always seek a monetary gain/benefit when doing a job/work.

I have done a fair amount of volunteer work in my life and enjoyed the experience, exposure and joy of helping others (or myself for that matter), when I could afford the time to do so, outside of work/family life. I think I'm a better person for it.

With regards to the other topic at hand, I see that much like the sickening and disgusting gaslighting that often surrounds The Holocaust (and other cultures), the American history of slavery and Black History, is now experiencing similar attacks of lies, persecution, book-burning, book-banning and revisionism. Sad, but true and that's where we're at.

[Anaggie]

Of course it was not good for the people that had to endure it, but it sure as hell worked out for their descendants.

Great conversation so far. Please explain this.

[The Cane]

A reminder of your non sequitur argument. Fact: Abolitionists where comprised of black, white and indigenous peoples.

I don't really want to jump too deeply into this, but this retort (and many others you have made) is spot on. Mr. E used to brag a lot about having a Master's degree. Well, it clearly isn't in American history! But of course, you don't need even a Bachelor's degree in anything to dispel some of the bullshit he's slinging. Keep up the good fight! And keep telling the truth based on the facts!

[Spidy]

You mentioned wellness when people make more money. I said no that is fantasyland.

No you'd be wrong, again. But I am saying, having the money to pay for healthcare (or insurance), for those medical emergencies, will drastically improve your well being. Having the money to afford basic groceries, medicine, necessities of life...etc, will improve your well being...duh!

Health care bills are a large reason Americans go into debt, poverty, unemployment and worse. I think FMLA does more good than harm, as would a living wage/salary.

I know a high amount of people who make good money that have and frequently use FMLA. This indicates they are either not well (when you asserted they will be) and or abuse the system. (I know FMLA can be used for family members as well, but the majority of people I know have it for themselves and not because family members are sickly.)

I just have to laugh at people who "know" what the "majority of people" do (and think) and know that majority who abuse the system, but then don't provide said evidence. Reminds me of the claims of wide spread election voter fraud and we all know how that ended.

But like many social/business programs that benefit many Americans, yes others choose to abuse it. FMLA is in place for employees who qualify. You talk like it's something that is given out on a whim. If they choose to abuse the system, that's on them.

I never asserted (or assumed) anything. The simple fact is, when you called, the employee's fight for a living wage/salary, "fantasyland" and then use another "fantasyland" program/Act (until it wasn't), that employees fought for from 1984 to 1993, that did nothing to bolster your argument. At best it was naive on your part, at worse it was...{well just fill in the blank}.

It seems you have not been reading at all (not even your own questions). What slaves started a civil war? Your question was what did slaves do to earn freedom. I said nothing. Then you say there was a civil war. Well I do not recall the slaves starting that nor the plantation owners saying your freedom has been well earned by you. So again the answer to your question is nothing.

Right...so your revisionist edition of American History...your civil war, just began and was fought over a lost game of high-stakes poker? And I suppose in that same revisionist edition of American History, there were no slaves/black soldiers who fought in the civil war?

In the USA they did not do anything to earn freedom...If not for those people called abolitionists, the USA would still be as other countries in the world that still have slavery.

A reminder of your non sequitur argument. Fact: Abolitionists where comprised of black, white and indigenous peoples.

Then you say you don't know shit from apple butter because I ate raisins last night. Nothing at all related to the question you asked.

Raisin shit from apple butter (or from whatever crap your trying to say), is just what you might get when you subscribe to revisionist history. But I'm not interested in your bowel movements, so you can keep that to yourself. Unless, of course you consider having shit for brains a virtue?

Stay on track.

If you insist! Once again, I am reminded of one of my fav fables, w/r to your "marching...worn out pair of shoes", in The Wren & The Eagle fable: "The wren did not fly at all, for she was carried on the eagle's back. The eagle is king, for he not only flew highest, but carried the wren on his back."

Full/Complete fable here: https://sacred-texts.com/etc/bnm/bnm23.htm So there's no misunderstanding...you're the wren.

[Mr Enternational]

This new narrative that people are trying to push that slavery was somehow good for black people because they learned a trade and got room and board is really sickening.

Of course it was not good for the people that had to endure it, but it sure as hell worked out for their descendants.

[Mr Enternational]

You are so right! The FMLA to help families in need during difficult times, is (I am guessing) yet just another example of your total fantasyland (which I imagine employers said 10+ yrs prior to the initial earliest version of the bill)...until it wasn't fantasy, but a reality in 1993. Again, I can start to see the "fantasyland" point your making.

It seems you can not. You mentioned wellness when people make more money. I said no that is fantasyland. I know a high amount of people who make good money that have and frequently use FMLA. This indicates they are either not well (when you asserted they will be) and or abuse the system. (I know FMLA can be used for family members as well, but the majority of people I know have it for themselves and not because family members are sickly.).

I seem to remember a civil war, in there somewhere, in American history books. But I get it,
perhaps you're reading from one of the latest right-wing revisionist edition of American History from the Ron DeSantis/Bill Eigel book-burning/banning club book list.

It seems you have not been reading at all (not even your own questions). What slaves started a civil war? Your question was what did slaves do to earn freedom. I said nothing. Then you say there was a civil war. Well I do not recall the slaves starting that nor the plantation owners saying your freedom has been well earned by you. So again the answer to your question is nothing.

You ask questions then when someone gives a direct answer you go off on a tangent. You ask what color is the sky. Someone answers blue. Then you say you don't know shit from apple butter because I ate raisins last night. Nothing at all related to the question you asked. Stay on track.

[TjBrazil]

This new narrative that people are trying to push that slavery was somehow good for black people because they learned a trade and got room and board is really sickening. They couldn't learn a trade and get their own apartment on their own without being chained up and working for free. When I went to bartending school at 21, I don't remember anyone saying I should work for free for 12 hours and sleep on concrete or else, after graduating. Quit putting lipstick on a pig.

[Spidy]

LOL. Yeah in fantasyland...

Well I'll take your "fantasyland" and raise you, one very real reality. And we all know reality bites (...kkkk!).

Yeah, total fantasyland! Much like freedom was for the slaves, a total fantasy...until it wasn't and became a reality. Okay, I get it, I think I see the point your trying to make, when you say, "fantasyland".

Better wellness? Most people have FMLA and can not work whenever they feel like it.

You are so right! The FMLA to help families in need during difficult times, is (I am guessing) yet just another example of your total fantasyland (which I imagine employers said 10+ yrs prior to the initial earliest version of the bill)...until it wasn't fantasy, but a reality in 1993. Again, I can start to see the "fantasyland" point your making.

In the USA they did not do anything to earn freedom.

I seem to remember a civil war, in there somewhere, in American history books. But I get it,
perhaps you're reading from one of the latest right-wing revisionist edition of American History from the Ron DeSantis/Bill Eigel book-burning/banning club book list.

There were just a bunch of White people that felt sorry and said this needs to stop...

I wonder if those same "...just a bunch of White people that felt sorry", (for the slaves), will magically show up again and say "Hey...this needs to stop", when it comes to employees, not getting a living wage? Fantasyland?

In the USA they did not do anything to earn freedom...If not for those people called abolitionists, the USA would still be as other countries in the world that still have slavery.

Which other countries are you referring to? Since abolitionists where comprised of black, white and indigenous peoples, your claims of that slaves did nothing for their freedom, is a complete non sequitur.

Oh...I think I know why you said that. It must be from some newly printed revisionist version of American History from the Ron Desantis/Bill Eigel book-burning club...now that would figure!

I do not think it was that the plantation owners were bigoted or racist. They were in it for the money. Remember they tried the same stuff with the natives and the indentured workers from their own motherlands, but it did not worked as they hoped.

Boy...that sure is some book-burning club you've joined. Like hell it didn't work. BTW, FYI, all of what you say, is simply just "slavery by any other name".

Now the slaves in Haiti did not earn any freedom either. They fucking took it.

Sure the Haitians were the first to abolish slavery and the slave trade from their shores, but in truth, the "yoke of slavery" they endured (much like else where with colonialism in the world at the time), was simply replaced by a "colonial/imperial yoke of slavery".

So it's now 2023 and look at how that turned out for the Haitians? And if you're still in doubt, just check the latest headlines on Haiti.

Marching gets you nothing except a worn out pair of shoes.

That's mighty big of you to say. How does the quote/saying go again, "...he who stands on the backs of giants..." Well perhaps not the actual quote, but I think you get the idea.

If not that quote, then perhaps you'll like one of my fav fables, w/r to those "worn out pair of shoes", in The Wren & The Eagle fable: "The wren did not fly at all, for she was carried on the eagle's back. The eagle is king, for he not only flew highest, but carried the wren on his back."

For the full and complete fable: https://sacred-texts.com/etc/bnm/bnm23.htm FYI, just so there's no misunderstanding...you're the wren.

Anywho, in the end it would seem, in your "fantasyland", hope does spring eternal...Who knew?

[Vagabundo1]

I am a Swiss Citizen, and a Swiss Banker at UBS, and a Registered Representative of SWISS NAVY brands for Brazil. We are expanding into usb sex toys.

I am a cultural imperialist for Swiss dicks in pretty negra 18 year old cuzinha.

Please stop insulting me as an American swine!

I come back to Suisse once a year for the world economic forum and provide negras for the upper management of the bank.

You sir are not a cultural imperialist.

You wear a vasco de gama shirt.

I wear a TEAM USA shirt down the streets of copa.

You live in the Brazil.

I pillage and loot the lands of SP and RJ and go back to the empire.

You hesitate to let the cariocas know you are an american while looking like an average gringo american.

I proudly boast of my amerrican identity while looking like a south american to let them know we are not the same.

I recall you shaking in your sandals to speak english in centro.

I spoke the king's english with my american mercenary brothers in arms at full volume.

You carry a knife and taser.

I carry a 24 K gold plated 45 ACP 1911.

You've been gone so long you forgot what a cultural imperialist is.

[Mr Enternational]

As best as I can answer that question, I personally don't think employees, have to do anything. I think it just behooves businesses/employers to provide a living wage/salary.

My personal take, is that when workers earn a living wage/salary, it promotes and fosters, better engaged employees, better wellness in employees and ultimately better for the business and by extension, a better, just, fair and more inclusive society.

LOL. Yeah in fantasyland. We make a hell of a lot more than a living wage on my job and I can tell you that none of that shit is true. Better wellness? Most people have FMLA and can not work whenever they feel like it.

So let me ask you a set of questions in the same moral vein:
Q. What did slaves do to earn their freedom?

So I imagine a number of bigoted/racist plantation owners (back-in-the-day for example) would have argued; aren't my slaves feed, clothed and sheltered for their labour and shouldn't that be enough for them to live out their days? So why would I ruin my plantation business and grant them their freedom?

In the USA they did not do anything to earn freedom. There were just a bunch of White people that felt sorry and said this needs to stop. If not for those people called abolitionists, the USA would still be as other countries in the world that still have slavery. I do not think it was that the plantation owners were bigoted or racist. They were in it for the money. Remember they tried the same stuff with the natives and the indentured workers from their own motherlands, but it did not worked as they hoped.

Now the slaves in Haiti did not earn any freedom either. They fucking took it. Marching gets you nothing except a worn out pair of shoes.

[Nounce]

...The simple answer is...I think it just comes down to, "DO THE RIGHT THING"....

There is an element of scam involved in some places. I just looked it up. For example, Washington and California don't allow tipping wage but the same thing still happens. In theory, when the price has been increased, the tip will increase too, then why increase the percentage?

[Spidy]

What did the employees do to earn a working wage? Do they just automatically deserve this because they are adults, or did they do something to make themselves more marketable in order to be able to earn more? I busted my ass in school to make sure I would not have to worry about being able to get a working wage. Should people that only growed up and showed up be entitled to the same?

Good question.

As best as I can answer that question, I personally don't think employees, have to do anything (other than fight/lobby for the right to get a living wage). I think it just behooves businesses/employers to provide a living wage/salary.

My personal take, is that when workers earn a living wage/salary, it promotes and fosters, better engaged employees, better wellness in employees and ultimately better for the business and by extension, a better, just, fair and more inclusive society.

Busting your ass in school (as with most things in life), is always a good idea and helps to smooth out life's wrinkles. But it would seem we aren't all cut from the same cloth and don't all walk the same path in life and lord knows, life is full of surprises and wrinkles.

IMHO in the end, I guess it's more of a moral issue than anything.
The simple answer is...I think it just comes down to, "DO THE RIGHT THING".

So let me ask you a set of questions in the same moral vein:
Q. What did slaves do to earn their freedom?

So I imagine a number of bigoted/racist plantation owners (back-in-the-day for example) would have argued; aren't my slaves feed, clothed and sheltered for their labour and shouldn't that be enough for them to live out their days? So why would I ruin my plantation business and grant them their freedom?

[Spidy]

Yeah, like when DoorDash and Uber Eats try to impose outrageous tips! Instead of paying their drivers a decent wage, they try to gouge the customer. Nope! I always change the tip to something reasonable rather than the 30% DoorDash will try to screw you with. They're not going to pay their employees by gouging me!

Well in this case where spidy discuss this topic he's refering to the restaurant business and how the staff are given a normal salary but are instead paid 3-4 $ an hour and rely on tips to get paid the rest of their salary.

Could you imagine going to bestbuy and asking an employee a question or to ring you up and after the sale they ask for a tip.

That can kindly fuck off.

I pay for my TV. Thats it.
I don't pay the bestbuy guys salary.
I pay for my burger.
Not a fucking employees wage.

Charge me $2 more for the burger instead of making me pay 30% tip.

Yep, that's just 30% bonkers and 100% bat-shit crazy thinking, right there. I fear though that that "30% thinking", is becoming way too normalized these days.

[Bearsi]

It's all true.

I am a cultural imperialist, and Ugly American as the Americans say or an Ugly Suisse, I want the hoar to speak the good diplomatic and financial English I learned while running dictator money on the shores of Lake Geneva.

Yes, I dream about coming to South Central LA, buying a big house from a judge in Manhattan Beach and fuckin up the 'hood with hoars from the streets of Figuroa and Normandie, with their negra asses hanging out on the front lawn amid all the patricinhas and patricios, offering to suck judge's dicks for 70 brazilian reais, but only if the judge pays in Reais and if the judge wears a vasco the gama shirt.

You sir are not a cultural imperialist.

You wear a vasco de gama shirt.

I wear a TEAM USA shirt down the streets of copa.

You live in the Brazil.

I pillage and loot the lands of SP and RJ and go back to the empire.

You hesitate to let the cariocas know you are an american while looking like an average gringo american.

I proudly boast of my amerrican identity while looking like a south american to let them know we are not the same.

I recall you shaking in your sandals to speak english in centro.

I spoke the king's english with my american mercenary brothers in arms at full volume.

You carry a knife and taser.

I carry a 24 K gold plated 45 ACP 1911.

You've been gone so long you forgot what a cultural imperialist is.

[Bearsi]

What did the employees do to earn a working wage? Do they just automatically deserve this because they are adults, or did they do something to make themselves more marketable in order to be able to earn more? I busted my ass in school to make sure I would not have to worry about being able to get a working wage. Should people that only growed up and showed up be entitled to the same?

Well in this case where spidy discuss this topic he's refering to the restaurant business and how the staff are given a normal salary but are instead paid 3-4 $ an hour and rely on tips to get paid the rest of their salary.

Could you imagine going to bestbuy and asking an employee a question or to ring you up and after the sale they ask for a tip.

That can kindly fuck off.

I pay for my TV. Thats it.

I don't pay the bestbuy guys salary.

I pay for my burger.

Not a fucking employees wage.

Charge me $2 more for the burger instead of making me pay 30% tip.