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  1. #1522
    Quote Originally Posted by Hadez  [View Original Post]
    Anyways sorry about the rant. As an essential worker I have listened to hundreds of hours of people talk about all things covid and covid treatments. HUNDREDS of hours no exaggeration. I look for opinions from all sources and be wary of any single source.

    I get people want to rely on the health system. It is the quick and easy thing to do. At best the health system is full of bureaucrats and has been way too painfully slow to react to new science about the pandemic. Outside of vaccines and other new treatments of course which gets them paid. At best they been wrong a few times and intentionally misleading a few times.

    At worst they have been intentionally deceiving people furthering their own agenda. It actually can get worse then that but I want to focus on latina pussy again and keep that to myself.

    Funny how if people listen to one set of cable news they have one opinion and if they watch another cable news they have a completely different opinion. I cut the cable years ago myself. Better to get our own information than have some narrative spoon fed to us.
    I could not agree more. My main point isn't to push Ivermectin (which I have never taken and do not have any plans to take) or to bad mouth the vaccines (which I have taken). You said it better than I. There are many red flags that should be concerning to anyone that is honest with themselves. Worse yet, like both you and I said, people that value "their" sources because they tell them what they want to hear are not doing themselves any good. The "horse drug" is the perfect example. Weeks ago, that's how I felt until I started researching it. It's as though some feel knowledge is a bad thing.

    As I've stated a few times now, my only hope is that people start to think for themselves. As a country, we are speeding down a very dangerous road. If we allow search engines to control us, we are a lost cause. As our dear President sadly said, it is 'no longer about freedom and choice'. Scary times.

  2. #1521
    Quote Originally Posted by WombatEd2  [View Original Post]
    Unless, of course, your source is one that makes the National Enquirer look like the Wall Street Journal.

    False!

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...9-vaccine-safe
    I have no interest in discussing further with you. To say definitively that this vaccine is safe and thoroughly tested is just lunacy. It hasn't been in existence for a year. Long term testing is quite literally impossible. Even your article discusses a few serious side effects.

    I'm not saying this thing is overly dangerous. I hope not; I took it. But to say we're well-informed is just extremely naive.

  3. #1520
    Do not forget bleach. I mean if that is how you going to get to your understanding of the biggest thing to hit the world in our life keep it consistant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie888  [View Original Post]
    Last year it was hydroxychloroquine.

    This year it is ivermectin.

    I miss the good old days of when Area 51 and Kennedy's assignation was the rage for conspiracist theories.

  4. #1519

    Conspiracy theories

    Yep. Some people reject the obvious reality and embrace all sorts of conspiracies.

    I was at the tire shop. The tire man and his wife were telling me and everyone else non stop about all kinds of conspiracies, stock market, economic collapse, deep state, religions ect. They did not discuss, just talking out loud f their one way propaganda. Both did not even finish high school but talk all day about the coming collapse of US and world economies and dispense investment advice.

    An old barber woman was telling me how Trump's victory was stolen from him and he will be back in the Whitehouse in a few months, fixing everything for poor people like her. Yelp's reviewers complained she seemed crazy about Trump, talking nonstop about politics and racial issues. Imagine a crazy barber holding a sharp shaving blade to your neck. People avoid her shop. She has no customers; her shop is nice clean with no hair on the floor. She's probably waiting for Trump to rescue her shop after reinstatement hehe.

    I am guessing certain people feel poor, weak, insecure, exploited, lost confidence in mainstream society, so they must have alternative theories about everything to put down reality. They seem delusional to me. The psychiatrists in this site should have more understanding about their mental state.

  5. #1518
    Last year it was hydroxychloroquine.

    This year it is ivermectin.

    I miss the good old days of when Area 51 and Kennedy's assignation was the rage for conspiracist theories.

  6. #1517
    Anyways sorry about the rant. As an essential worker I have listened to hundreds of hours of people talk about all things covid and covid treatments. HUNDREDS of hours no exaggeration. I look for opinions from all sources and be wary of any single source.

    I get people want to rely on the health system. It is the quick and easy thing to do. At best the health system is full of bureaucrats and has been way too painfully slow to react to new science about the pandemic. Outside of vaccines and other new treatments of course which gets them paid. At best they been wrong a few times and intentionally misleading a few times.

    At worst they have been intentionally deceiving people furthering their own agenda. It actually can get worse then that but I want to focus on latina pussy again and keep that to myself.

    Funny how if people listen to one set of cable news they have one opinion and if they watch another cable news they have a completely different opinion. I cut the cable years ago myself. Better to get our own information than have some narrative spoon fed to us.

  7. #1516
    First off let me say I got the vaccine. The data that supports its effectiveness is really good. I knew months before we had vaccines they would not prevent transmission so breakthrough cases do not bother me but I know some people tripping on this.

    Funny how you think the different parts of the world are lying but you willing to trust the people who will make big bucks on Ivermectin not being used.

    No one gets paid if Ivermectin is the answer.

    Lots of people get paid if the company can develop a new drug that does the same thing.

    Big red flag should be they calling it a horse / vet drug instead the of human drug it is. My doctor prescribed me ivermectin for Covid19 and my insurance covered it. For some reason there is an large amount of people focused on the vet uses and multiple of these reports like the Rolling Stones article have been shown to be complete fake news.

    Another red flag is how different the search results are from google and other search engines. Google = nothing but vet drug talk. Other search engines = actual ivermectin news.

    Another red flag is a youtube channel can not even say ivermectin without losing 25%+ of their revenue. Have seen a channel just discuss the topic after directly supporting vaccines and they lose revenue money.

    And finally the biggest red flag is just weeks after the data was submitted to the NIH / FDC after a Senate hearing the Federal Government gave the company who came up with Ivermectin 300+ million dollars to make the next Ivermectin which will essentially do the same thing. In June a 1+ billion agreement was made for when the next Ivermectin clears all medical trials. The FDA gets paid when the new drug is submitted for approval because that is how they get a large chunk of their revenue the last 10+ years. They get zero money from saying Ivermectin works. The establishment health system gets paid. Big Pharma gets paid. There will be a lot of money paid all around to grease the wheels.

    No one gets paid if Ivermectin is the answer.

    Lots of people get paid if the company can develop a new drug that does the same thing. There is close to 2 billion already on the table and the new drug is still clearing the hurdles that gets the establishment health system paid.

    This is how health care for profit works in 2021.

    Oh and since animals are getting covid they will probably turn that into a vet drug and get more money.

    Then when it is beyond patent protection and needed again they news will forget how it was used for humans and just talk about the vet uses so they can make a new one and start the profit machine rolling again.


    Quote Originally Posted by MacNCheeze  [View Original Post]
    Whenever these so called studies go through any vetting, they simply don't hold up. It doesn't matter how many articles you've written if they're dubious. They keep getting debunked one after another for data manipulation, bias, and questionable scientific methods.

    And let's trust all the third world countries and their numbers because there's no way they would lie about how well they're fighting off a pandemic.

    It's insane how people have been brainwashed to think there's such a huge conspiracy against them. The reason why nobody credible is pushing ivermectin / hydroxychloroquine / bleach / etc is because there's evidence it doesn't work. The only conspiracy happening is the army of disinformation trying to sow dissent among the uneducated against the government and actual experts. Yes, ivermectin is a great drug FOR PARASITES, so they deserve the Nobel Prize for that. But this is not a pandemic of elephantiasis we're talking about.

    There's no big money pushing the vaccine agenda, it's just god damn public health. You think Pfizer and Moderna have more sway than the world's governments and all of the companies losing money everyday because of the pandemic? You don't think if there was a true miracle cure, it wouldn't already be widely pushed to get rid of this damn thing? Keep drinking that Kool Aid.

  8. #1515
    Quote Originally Posted by Dcrist0527  [View Original Post]
    dismissing something as fake news is foolish. Argue the merits, but not the source.
    Unless, of course, your source is one that makes the National Enquirer look like the Wall Street Journal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dcrist0527  [View Original Post]
    We dove head first into these vaccines without any testing. Even the efficacy testing has proven to be bullshit.
    False!

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...9-vaccine-safe

  9. #1514
    Quote Originally Posted by Dcrist0527  [View Original Post]
    Pathetic little game. And pathetic little site. If you prefer to argue sourcing vs facts, have at it. The information in that article is essentially the same as many other sites. But I suppose that takes a little effort.

    Not all of us like to feed at the trough. But to each their own.
    Um, what's pathetic is when people claim so-called "facts" but cannot come up with a reliable source. I googled the matter pretty thoroughly before I posted, and came up with nothing more reliable that "BuyMyQuackScienceBook.com".

  10. #1513
    Wow. John Clayton is probably a healthcare professional or researcher.

    Johnson & Johnson's vaccine uses a different technique, injecting the viral vector of a different Corona virus to stimulate the production of Covid-19's spike proteins and the body immunity.

    I don't want another virus in my sexy body. Have to keep it in good shape for the benefits of Tijuana's chicas hehe.

  11. #1512
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnClayton  [View Original Post]
    In fact, the mechanism of the mRNA vaccines is far far better understood than that of previous vaccines made from whole inert or attenuated viruses. Far safer and much more effective.
    I couldn't disagree more. MRNA is not new technology. It has been studied for 10+ years. But this is the first real-world, large scale application of messenger RNA vaccine.

    MRNA absolutely made it possible to develop this vaccine so rapidly. But to say it is safer or more effective is obviously premature at best.

    https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/wh...cines-covid-19

  12. #1511
    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie888  [View Original Post]
    Fake news site alert.
    Not entirely fake. He was speculating on what could happen. I'm paraphrasing but he was talking about world distribution of a vaccine. And if side effects were a reality in 1 in 10,000 doses, he equated that to 700,000 people impacted.

    #1-dismissing something as fake news is foolish. Argue the merits, but not the source.

    #2-More to the point, 1 in 10,000 is not a wild prediction. And his larger point, about global distribution, is warranted.

    #3-Big picture: I'll credit Gates for bringing up side effects and long term testing. We dove head first into these vaccines without any testing. Even the efficacy testing has proven to be bullshit.

  13. #1510
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    Cause and effects of vaccines have been understood for at least 300 years...
    In fact, the mechanism of the mRNA vaccines is far far better understood than that of previous vaccines made from whole inert or attenuated viruses. Far safer and much more effective.

  14. #1509
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    Cause and effects of vaccines have been understood for at least 300 years.

    Vaccines have saved millions people from deaths of smallpox, polio, yellow fever, diphtheria, measles.

    It's stupid to suspect 300 years of professional wisdom, believe crack pots with their stupid conspiracy theories, and take horse medicines.
    Two very important points that apply to your comments. First, each vaccine is very different. Different side effects. Different risks.

    Just as important, the vast majority of these vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer) are mRNA vaccines. We don't have a history of mRNA vaccines in humans.

    I'm not trying to be disagreeable. But you've highlighted my main point. We don't question vaccines. In fact we point fingers at people who don't get it. When there is absolutely NO long term testing. The vaccine hasn't even existed for a year.

    Yet we laugh off evidence for Ivermectin. Why? Because, in your own words, we have no long term testing.

    I'm no doctor. I can barely even spell prescription right. But even my low IQ self can identify the hypocrisy coming from our "experts". They lie and mislead us. But we trust the vaccine is ok because they say so? And we label Ivermectin as a horse drug when it's been consumed by humans for many years? Why? Because our "experts" call it a horse drug.

    We are absolutely foolish if we don't study every possibility. Because as it stands now, we're no closer to an end than we were two years ago.

  15. #1508
    Quote Originally Posted by Travv  [View Original Post]
    I'm waiting on all the lab rats oops, I meant you, to finish doing the longterm testing of new Covid Vaccines!

    Quote: Bill Gates Admits: 700,000 People Will Be Harmed Or Killed By Coronavirus Vaccines.

    In his rush to develop one, two, or even seven different vaccines for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), billionaire software tycoon Bill Gates openly admitted that upwards of 700,000 people could become injured or die from these jabs.

    The Microsoft co-founder and prominent eugenicist has been more outspoken in recent days than perhaps ever before about his desire to vaccinate the entire world, in this case as soon as possible for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19). And the reality is that many more will die from the vaccine than from the virus itself.

    Speaking during a recent segment on CNBC, Gates admitted that in order to make vaccines "work" for the most vulnerable groups, they have to be super-charged, in a sense.

    And this super-charging means that some people are going to be injured or killed as a result. . . . Unquote.

    https://humansarefree.com/2020/05/bi...-vaccines.html
    Fake news site alert.

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