Stupid Shit in Tijuana

[Jackie888]

I got dibs on the HK VIP card belonging to Dcrist when he dies from the Covid. Don't anyone else claim it before me.

[ScatManDoo]

SMD, forgive me. I did not mean to elevate your importance as someone I'm deabting. LOL Your contributions equate to two things: you sticking your fingers in your ear and screaming no, no, no. And you're determination to do nothing to advance your awareness. So in no way did I intend to infer I was debating you. I have much better things to do with my time.

Please return your mind to those Wuhan wet markets. LOL And ignore the scientific evidence within the genome sequence. Ignore the timing discrepancies of the first case. Better yet, insert head back into sand. So curious how you can accept a theory about wet markets with literally no evidence, yet dispute other theories despite real evidence. But as they say, ignorance is bliss. Enjoy it.

Scientific "evidence within the genome sequence" being ignored.

What fucking evidence are you blabbering about?

Again, you are going on and on about evidence that proves Dr. Fauci is a sinister fraud. And yet. No fucking evidence.

Just claims and speculation, now with additional blabber thrown in.

When are you retiring from debating?

Seems like it was yesterday.

Additionally. I don't know when the first "Official" case of Covid-19 occurred, or how that establishes culpability on Dr. Fauci's part.

But our Airforce surveillance cameras have lots of pictures of Wuhan area hospitals with parking lots that began overflowing in October 2019. Too bad our worst president ever stopped our country / s monitoring for epidemic outbreaks was stopped in October 2018. Bring some evidence that Dr. Fauci supported the removal of Obama's monitors if you are looking for real evidence against Dr. Fauci.

[Dcrist0527]

In critical times like this, we should maintain objectivity, avoid crack pot lunatics with their crazy conspiracy theories, and trust only science-based recommendations by responsible elected or appointed officials.

Responsible official. Hmmm. Direct quote from Anthony Fauci years before our current situation:

"In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic?

Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario however remote should the initial experiments have been performed and / or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision? Scientists working in this field might say as indeed I have said that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks."

So, this is the responsible leader we need? Seriously? Do you agree with him that it was worth the risk?

[Hadez]

It is all big business where profits are measured in the hundreds of millions and the more people they get aligned with the system the more money is made.

Just like Big Oil and NRA have their hands so far up the Right and Right-Media we know that side will never act against it. The Establishment Health System has just as much control of the Left and the Mainstream media so that side will never act against it. We may see a lot of talk of getting Big Pharma under control but nothing will ever happen. There may even be something small sacrificed to keep the voters happy but the major change will always seem just out of reach.

It makes me chuckle. How much do we hear about big oil milking every red cent out of us? Or big banks? Or defense contractors. But somehow, we believe big pharma is the beacon of corporate ethics. LMAO.

One thing I'm certain of is to follow the money. Is Pfizer, that great shining star of ethos, skipping all profits while selling billions of doses? LOL. But someone posted this isn't about the money.

If it's not about money, why is Peter Daszak worried more about covering his own tail vs getting to the bottom of greatest infectious challenge in human history? And why is Fauci aiding in this coverup? Hmmm. Could it be money? Nah.

But here again, facts don't matter. Most aren't even curious. Because people prefer to say this is a political issue. It is anything but. It is an existential issue.

[Hadez]

I agree. Problem is when I am talking Establishment Health System most people think about what they know. The nurses and doctors who treat them. The nurses and doctors are in the trenches and they are the as close the Super Heroes as we know imo.

I am talking about the government systems like FDA and NIH which are more corporations than anything else. These entities were already very susceptible to lobby type influences that already is infested most of our government but 10-15 years ago the system was changed so a large chuck of their funding comes from the approval process of new medicine. Mean while because of how the grant process works from the Establishment Health System most doctors will not speak against the Establishment Health System because of fear of losing grants.

Guess to some this can sound conspiracy like but anyone who has worked in a large corporation is familiar with how this power structure works.

The Healthcare system is "interesting" in the US. It wasn't till I started traveling internationally to see how it's kind of messed up in many ways. I have a pre-exiting condition that is kind of a joke as it's never bugged me in over 50 years and didn't know I had it and it may never cause any medical issues. But it got put on a medical record and I have been denied health insurance because of it. There maybe some company that I could get insurance from with crazy high rates.

I started looking into getting health care overseas once I retire etc. A lot of good options are available. Many of my coworkers have Simsa down in Tijuana for their families and they are very happy with the care and I am thinking of doing that once I retire. Here is a great video clip from a Expat who travels the world and gives advice on health care, money management, best places to retire etc. (truth is I don't want to "retire" to a location. I love to travel so this whole topic of "retire to "x" country is a bit of a joke to me. I don't want to just go to one country to die.

https://youtu.be/koYN-Da9Qnw

G.

[Hadez]

Fauci is just a bureaucrat who is far from the trenches and thinks more politics than actual logistics on how to save lives imo. Yea he is guilty of some stuff but no more so than any other politician in the USA. It is what the "leaders" of the USA have become.

Now Peter Daszak. Recent reports say him and the Wujan bat woman were both on a paper requesting funding from DARPA to make what could be described as COVID19 . In Sept 2018. There is no doubt to me those two are covering something up.

Fauci may not be involved but at the min he is playing Cover His A** and helping hide the truth.

And honestly the more important reason people should be interested in this is because scientists will take things as far as we let them. It should not surprise anyone there is a chance Covid19 was maybe lab made and accidently leaked. Instead of playing political sides people should tell their elected reps they want this kind of research to stop because in all honestly we are lucky. Some corona viruses have been far more lethal than Covid19 is. If we do not put a stop to this research they may do something even worse in the future.

Not to defend Peter Daszak, and his past, he's trying to hide.

But I really don't see Dr. Fauci masterminding the next Watergate cover-up, nor the beef behind your accusations that he is this sinister mastermind.

[Captain Solo]

Artiste,

We are not fighting the crack pots.

We let them find their new CoVid cures from the exotic fumes of country outhouses.

[Artisttyp]

In critical times like this, we should maintain objectivity, avoid crack pot lunatics with their crazy conspiracy theories, and trust only science-based recommendations by responsible elected or appointed officials.

And most of all AVOID the fighting amongst each other. We ALL suffer from this event in one way or another.

[Captain Solo]

I original thought Mac and Cheese was a member of the Mickey Mouse club, faking his age to talk sex, but his arguments are mature, well-referenced, concise, solid and very convincing.

This pandemic is a horrible disaster to every human and every country in the world, causing millions dead and costing trillions in economic damages. Millions people of the world are dying or going hungry and we still don't know how and how soon the world will recover.

In critical times like this, we should maintain objectivity, avoid crack pot lunatics with their crazy conspiracy theories, and trust only science-based recommendations by responsible elected or appointed officials.

[Dcrist0527]

It is a good thing you have decided to stop your poor debating.

You look bad when you claim that there is a mountain of evidence.

When there is 0% evidence you have presented.

Just 100% lame, false, speculation.

Where's the beef? Where are the mountains of beef?

SMD, forgive me. I did not mean to elevate your importance as someone I'm deabting. LOL Your contributions equate to two things: you sticking your fingers in your ear and screaming no, no, no. And you're determination to do nothing to advance your awareness. So in no way did I intend to infer I was debating you. I have much better things to do with my time.

Please return your mind to those Wuhan wet markets. LOL And ignore the scientific evidence within the genome sequence. Ignore the timing discrepancies of the first case. Better yet, insert head back into sand. So curious how you can accept a theory about wet markets with literally no evidence, yet dispute other theories despite real evidence. But as they say, ignorance is bliss. Enjoy it.

[ScatManDoo]

There are multiple communications between the two that are now public. And here's the smoking gun, in my opinion. Fauci is a scientist. Without any real evidence, Fauci told us that a lab leak was impossible. Forget for a second if it was or wasn't a lab leak. There was no investigation done. No research done. But Fauci immediately told us it's not from a lab leak? That's not what scientists do. That's what someone does when trying to deflect attention. As we now know, a lab leak is quite possible. We'll likely never know for certain, despite a growing mountain of evidence. But the main point is why Fauci disputed that was even possible. There are only two reasons for his coverup. To protect his good friend Daszak or to protect himself.

So I fault Fauci on many aspects. Obviously, the research was not "worth the risk". He was wrong about the possibility of a lab leak. He's not sinister or at fault because the pandemic happened. But if you don't find something sinister about a coverup of the largest pandemic in human history? If he's the golden child people believe he is, 100% of his energy should have been on answers, not protecting himself and / or his friend.

It is a good thing you have decided to stop your poor debating.

You look bad when you claim that there is a mountain of evidence.

When there is 0% evidence you have presented.

Just 100% lame, false, speculation.

Where's the beef? Where are the mountains of beef?

[Dcrist0527]

I suspect this is good news to all. I'm done with the COVID talk. I know it bores most people. And while I love debate, I have found that, like real life, there is no space for actual thought. We all have our beliefs and have no willingness to think beyond our pre-determined beliefs. And that's what scares me. That was my whole point of this unending thread of posts. A closed mind or a fool that thinks they know it all is very dangerous. My true hope is that we all learn to be more discerning with the "news" we ingest. It's hard to do because many have their favorite, trusted talking head. But they all have an agenda. Perhaps the most ludicrous statements I've heard in this thread: 1) It's not about money. 2) Fox News is biased, MSNBC is not. (or vice versa). If you believe those, you really need to challenge yourself!

[Dcrist0527]

Not to defend Peter Daszak, and his past, he's trying to hide.

But I really don't see Dr. Fauci masterminding the next Watergate cover-up, nor the beef behind your accusations that he is this sinister mastermind.

I'll stop short of using the word sinister. I don't believe there was true ill intent. However, the results are damning and I think the coverup is fairly obvious. What we know, without question: Fauci was a proponent of gain of function research. There are numerous comments and even emails that defend the research as "worth the risk". (Gain of function may be controversial but I do give him the benefit of the doubt in that he wasn't trying to create a pandemic.) We also know that Fauci and the NIH funded this research in Wuhan. Now, admittedly, there is no smoking gun. If you research EcoAlliance, it's fairly easy to track the dollars. It's important to keep it in context. Funding this research was illegal at the time. So he had to use an intermediary. His defense for this was the money that went to Wuhan wasn't used for gain of function research. That's beyond laughable. That's essentially me sending money to Pablo Escobar and telling him 'don't use this for cocaine production. ' But again, I don't think that's the smoking gun.

However, this is where Daszak comes in. There are multiple communications between the two that are now public. And here's the smoking gun, in my opinion. Fauci is a scientist. Without any real evidence, Fauci told us that a lab leak was impossible. Forget for a second if it was or wasn't a lab leak. There was no investigation done. No research done. But Fauci immediately told us it's not from a lab leak? That's not what scientists do. That's what someone does when trying to deflect attention. As we now know, a lab leak is quite possible. We'll likely never know for certain, despite a growing mountain of evidence. But the main point is why Fauci disputed that was even possible. There are only two reasons for his coverup. To protect his good friend Daszak or to protect himself.

So I fault Fauci on many aspects. Obviously, the research was not "worth the risk". He was wrong about the possibility of a lab leak. He's not sinister or at fault because the pandemic happened. But if you don't find something sinister about a coverup of the largest pandemic in human history? If he's the golden child people believe he is, 100% of his energy should have been on answers, not protecting himself and / or his friend.

[ScatManDoo]

If it's not about money, why is Peter Daszak worried more about covering his own tail vs getting to the bottom of greatest infectious challenge in human history? And why is Fauci aiding in this coverup? Hmmm. Could it be money? Nah.

But here again, facts don't matter. Most aren't even curious.

Not to defend Peter Daszak, and his past, he's trying to hide.

But I really don't see Dr. Fauci masterminding the next Watergate cover-up, nor the beef behind your accusations that he is this sinister mastermind.

[Dcrist0527]

Typical empty post.

Mentions facts, but provides no facts.

Just empty accusations.

Exhibit A. SMD has no interest in learning anything on his own. He waits to be spoonfed information. Sad, because it takes so little effort.

This isn't about money, right? But maybe the AP is a right-wing bastion. LOL.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...2bc47fcb74c82b

And if that doesn't convince you about motives, tell me one logical reason the CDC would stop monitoring breakthrough cases. Read this article carefully. The approach defies logic. And then you have states claiming that breakthrough COVID hospitalizations aren't due to COVID. But, the first go around, people that died in vehicle accidents were counted as COVID deaths.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/cov...om-the-states/

If you don't want to see the truth, well, some things are better left unsaid.