Stupid Shit in Tijuana

[ScatManDoo]

"I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words."

Donald Trump Campaign launch rally, 15/6/15.

I believe Don Trump said that on June 15th, 2015.

There are a lot of things that this schmuck has said that are excellent demonstrations of his incompetency.

If some of you ignorant posters in this thread (like PP) want to spout off about his competency, you will see, in this thread, why you are sadly mistaken.

[LuvMexicanas]

Luvmex.

The Nogales girl in your pic looks hot.

When you need a ventilator, I can sell you one with a good price.

She showed up to my hotel room wearing a mask. I almost let her leave it on because it was oddly exciting for me. Her staring at me with her pretty eyes, beautiful pale body and nothing but the mask.

[ScatManDoo]

"I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words."

Donald Trump Campaign launch rally, 15/6/15.

[Phordphan]

Except the argument is that he would have almost as much (or even more, depending on his true net worth) if he had taken that money he got from daddy and put it in an average performing mutual fund and just sat on a beach for 45 years. His "business acumen" has at best done nothing in the long run. He is a great showman, and his entertainment value is what has brought in any actual money he has made -- not his business skills.

I think you're missing the larger point. After some people have reached a certain financial level, then this becomes more of a "game" (and I don't mean that in a derogatory way) and the object isn't how much money you can pile up. If the object in life was to accumulate as much wealth as possible then we wouldn't have venture capitalists, for example. VC firms often lose tons of money. They often make tons, too. All in the pursuit of advancing businesses, improving the human condition, a whole host of reasons besides the mere accumulation of wealth. Yes, the overall object is to make money on the investments (otherwise you wouldn't be able to continue in the VC business). But those profits are used to invest in other businesses instead of being hoarded so that your bank account looks great.

I have several very wealthy Jewish clients. None of them, or their families, need to worry about money. Now all of them participate in some fraternal organization or other, building hospitals, contributing money, doing other work, etc. , etc. , when they could just put their money into a bank and sit on a beach. So, they could just accumulate money, and have even more impressive bank account balances, but that doesn't benefit anybody else. These are just a couple of random examples of why people may not be interested in simply trying to increase their net worth.

Now in Trump's case, I have no idea whether or not what you say is true. I've read it before, but nobody really knows. But, again, I don't think that was the overall object. If one goes to the trouble of developing, say, a luxury hotel, yes you expect a handsome return on your investment. But there are far more benefits to society as a whole. Just for example, it employs hundreds of people in the construction of the building. It then employs hundreds more to run that business. Housekeeping, kitchen, laundry, management, on and on and on. And let's not forget the tax revenue the city / state / federal government reap from that business. What value do you put on these accomplishments? Did Trump (or whoever the developer is) better serve mankind by doing this, or would mankind have been better served if he just stashed his money in a CD and sat on a beach?

I also suspect, and this isn't aimed at you, that many critics of his business acumen have never owned a business or invested in one. Loads of smart money invested heavily in, say, Atlantic City. Damn near every one of them lost their ass. For whatever reason, and there are many, Atlantic City could not support that many casinos. When big-money investors pick a loser, and it flops, they use the bankruptcy laws. You can like it, or hate it, but that's the way it works. If folks don't like it, petition congress and have the laws changed. To criticize anyone for taking advantage of whatever tax laws are on the books is silly.

My point is that saying a guy is incompetent because an investment went bad is based in general ignorance. Saying he's incompetent because he didn't increase his net worth as much as one thinks he should have is Monday morning quarterbacking.

[ScatManDoo]

Now if you wish to discuss how such an incompetent boob as The Donald was able to accomplish these things, by all means let's hear your reasoning.

So you still cannot address the competency of Donald Trump based on his January, February & March insane quotes about the coronavirus.

PP the typical blather mouth.

The Donald is harming the country, unlike the good performances of other world leaders.

[Phordphan]

Why can't you address the competency of what dumbshit Donald Trump has said?

PhordPhan attacks the messenger because he is obviously incapable of addressing the message! Same crap as Solo often pulls.

OK. Try to follow along.

I made a comment about what a bad governor Newsome has been. Then the Whaddabout chorus started. Yeah, whaddabout Trump?? He's incompetent!! I commented that a guy who goes around in his "personal" 757, who has a billion or so dollars, who defeated around a dozen other candidates to win the GOP nomination, and who beat the "shoo-in" Hillary, can hardly be considered "incompetent" regardless of what anyone thinks about him, personally.

This prompted your whaddabout non-sequiters concerning his handling of COVID-19, and other completely unrelated issues. So, I ignored those, not being germane to the subject at hand. If you wish to open a CV thread, by all means do so and we can debate it there. I then essentially said that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Now if you wish to discuss how such an incompetent boob as The Donald was able to accomplish these things, by all means let's hear your reasoning.

[Dcrist0527]

Except the argument is that he would have almost as much (or even more, depending on his true net worth) if he had taken that money he got from daddy and put it in an average performing mutual fund and just sat on a beach for 45 years. His "business acumen" has at best done nothing in the long run. He is a great showman, and his entertainment value is what has brought in any actual money he has made -- not his business skills.

That's an invalid comparison, in my opinion. I understand the logic. And I think, if he followed that path, then the "daddy's money" argument is legitimate. But he didn't sit on that. He worked. He built. He employed. And yes, he failed. Multiple times. But, in a way, he was the market.

Your argument is factual. But I personally have far more respect for the entrepreneur than the trust fund kid.

[KC Questor]

Let's say he was given 1 million by daddy. Or 10 million. Or even 100 million. He turned that into multi billions. Like him or not, that is a success story.

Except the argument is that he would have almost as much (or even more, depending on his true net worth) if he had taken that money he got from daddy and put it in an average performing mutual fund and just sat on a beach for 45 years. His "business acumen" has at best done nothing in the long run. He is a great showman, and his entertainment value is what has brought in any actual money he has made -- not his business skills.

[Captain Solo]

Luvmex.

The Nogales girl in your pic looks hot.

When you need a ventilator, I can sell you one with a good price.

[ClamSlammer]

And probably the reason behind why he doesn't want anybody to see his taxes. If we did, we're likely to find out that he isn't so successful a business man after all, and doesn't have as much money as he claims to possess.

Exactly. The same year he bragged he was worth $10 b Forbes had him pegged at $3 b. Another reason he wants his tax returns hidden is to hide his business with foreign entities, mainly Russia I'd guess.

If you're in business failed investments and bankruptcies are part of the game. You don't win every time, you just have to win more than you lose. Bankruptcy is a tool to be applied when it will help you move forward.

If he's so stupid, what do we say about Hillary who was so smart she lost to him?

Yes, in business you win some, you lose some. But in order to qualify as a success, you'd have to win more than you lose. Don the Con definitely lost more than he won. How many times do I have to repeat this? He got beat by the index by over $1 billion over a 45 year period. That's only counting the initial $60 million that daddy gave him. If you count the other $400 million he inherited later then he just got clobbered by the index. How does getting beaten to a pulp by the index make you a smart businessman?

And you mean the same Hillary Clinton that 2.9 million more Americans voted for over Trump? Without the help of aggressive Russian disinformation tactics? You don't think there's a reason why Putin wanted Trump to win? The whole world saw Trump kneel down to Putin in Helsinki. He publicly sided with Putin over his own CIA / FBI / NSA. He's a traitor plain and simple.

But just receiving money does not mean you'll increase your wealth.

It absolutely does. Unless you're a dumbass. You inherit money and invest in an index fund, you're pretty much assured of an annual 10% return in the long run. If Trump would have done this, he would have $1.2 billion more than he currently has. If you're a shrewd businessman, your annual return would be more than 10%. And if you're a poor businessman, your annual return would be less than 10%. Trump's annual return over the past 45 years is far below 10%. That makes him a poor businessman. How does being below average translate into being a success? If Trump would have stopped daydreaming about dating 10 year old girls then maybe he would have had more success in the business world.

[Dcrist0527]

Your argument brings up some completely irrelevant points. No one here is arguing that lottery winners and professional athletes are smart. Take some kid with an IQ of 80 that happens to be able to run a 4. 3 40, and he'll be signing a multi million dollar NFL contract a couple years later. Not because he's smart. It's because he is physically gifted. Same thing for lottery winners that go broke. They weren't Rhodes Scholars to begin with. Nobody is claiming that you have to be smart to win the lottery.

You completely missed my point, and maybe I wasn't clear. Your point was Trump was given millions by daddy. And that's true, though no one can know the true amounts. But just receiving money does not mean you'll increase your wealth. That was my point with lottery winners and athletes.

Let's say he was given 1 million by daddy. Or 10 million. Or even 100 million. He turned that into multi billions. Like him or not, that is a success story.

And the other point was that his failures did not define or deter him. Sure, some will point to his failures out of political rage or jealousy. But by brand or by net worth, and certainly in power, he is in elite status. Hate him all you want for other reasons. But don't argue he's a failure. That's just not a valid argument.

[Dickus Maximus]

The argument is whether Trump is a successful businessman or not. And the clear answer is no. All those failed investments and bankruptcies. And he underperformed the market. By over a billion dollars over a 45 year period. That is all you need to know. Case closed.

If you're in business failed investments and bankruptcies are part of the game. You don't win every time, you just have to win more than you lose. Bankruptcy is a tool to be applied when it will help you move forward.

If he's so stupid, what do we say about Hillary who was so smart she lost to him?

[LuvMexicanas]

You can see guys are getting extremely frustrated not being able to go to Tijuana and fuck hot girls.

Proof? Blue book keepers are beating up Red mechanics bloody hehe.

I'm not frustrated because there are other options. I had a good time in Nogales earlier this week. Crossing over and back was a breeze. A temperature scan and being asked if I had symptoms were all it took to enter Nogales. On the return it was the usual where are you going, reason for being in Mexico, and are you bringing anything back. It was hassle free and more importantly fun times with a 21 year old hottie. I uploaded her pics in that thread.

[The Cane]

The argument is whether Trump is a successful businessman or not. And the clear answer is no. All those failed investments and bankruptcies. And he underperformed the market. By over a billion dollars over a 45 year period. That is all you need to know. Case closed.

And probably the reason behind why he doesn't want anybody to see his taxes. If we did, we're likely to find out that he isn't so successful a business man after all, and doesn't have as much money as he claims to possess.

[WombatEd2]

Anyone who uses the term TDS has terminal TCS and a serious case of cranial-rectal inversion.

Anyone who stoops to name-calling is just a big poo-poo-head!