Stupid Shit in Bogota

[Elvis 2008]

Based on what? Like let's go fly to a prison camp. WTF? Are you saying?

DC, when I had a chica fly to Mexico, she got put in self-quarantine for 14 days. If you do not understand it, educate yourself about it. As for why Europeans have free reign, it is because their infection rate is so low. If the USA gets down to European numbers, then maybe Colombia does at away with the quarantine. I just do not see Americans going to Colombia and being allowed to move about with no restrictions September 1 given infection rates in the USA. That is my opinion, nothing more.

[Bango Cheito]

BC, I doubt that Americans will be let into Colombia Sept 1 without isolation. It will be free reign for the Europeans IMO though.

I am planning on flying my Colombian chicas to Mexico to meet them. Mexico has no formal restrictions at this time, and I do not think they will. My bet is Colombia opens up to the USA fully after the November elections and the shift goes from how bad Corona is in the media to how we over reacted to it.

The Corona virus spread is very real and very serious, but the number of deaths attributed to Corona has been a political farce. Corona is not in the same universe as the 1918 pandemic.

No argument there. Also, there's always a chance they push the dates back.

[JonSnow1]

Quarantine is back in Bogota starting July 13. It will be in 3 phases and in select barrios for each phase.

July 13 - July 26 : Santa Fe & Chapiniero, Rafael Uribe, Usme.

July 27 - Aug 09: Bosa, Kennedy, Puente Aranda, Fontibon.

Aug 10 - Aug 23: Suba, Engativa, Barrios Unidos.

https://www.eltiempo.com/bogota/cuar...e-julio-516890

[DonCarlos1234]

BC, I doubt that Americans will be let into Colombia Sept 1 without isolation. It will be free reign for the Europeans IMO though.

Based on what? If airlines land and deplane passengers that go straight into quarantine it's a nightmare for everyone. Like let's go fly to a prison camp. WTF? Are you saying?

[Turgid]

I give blood every 12 weeks, I just recently donated blood and the Red Cross now also tests the blood for covid 19, I tested negative. I was under the impression that masks protect the people around you and not for the person wearing it. If that's true why should I wear one /.

You are under the wrong impression and as always being selfish ends up harming the selfish person as well. If two people meet and neither is wearing a mask there is a great possibility of infection for both. If one is wearing a mask there is lesser possibility of infection of both than if neither is wearing a mask. If both individuals are wearing masks the prevention of being infected is greatest for both.

[Elvis 2008]

To get back on track:

1) International flights are being scheduled as of Sept 1st.

2) There probably won't be much of a scene right after Sept 1st.

BC, I doubt that Americans will be let into Colombia Sept 1 without isolation. It will be free reign for the Europeans IMO though.

I am planning on flying my Colombian chicas to Mexico to meet them. Mexico has no formal restrictions at this time, and I do not think they will. My bet is Colombia opens up to the USA fully after the November elections and the shift goes from how bad Corona is in the media to how we over reacted to it.

The Corona virus spread is very real and very serious, but the number of deaths attributed to Corona has been a political farce. Corona is not in the same universe as the 1918 pandemic.

[PVMonger]

I give blood every 12 weeks, I just recently donated blood and the Red Cross now also tests the blood for covid 19, I tested negative. I was under the impression that masks protect the people around you and not for the person wearing it. If that's true why should I wear one.

You could have become infected as soon as you walked out the door of the Red Cross.

[Routard]

I give blood every 12 weeks, I just recently donated blood and the Red Cross now also tests the blood for covid 19, I tested negative. I was under the impression that masks protect the people around you and not for the person wearing it. If that's true why should I wear one /.

Because you might get infected just 5 minutes after your negative Covid test. With HIV you need to fuck someone to get it, with Covid you can get it just by breathing. And its hard to practice air abstinence for more than 5 minutes. Lol!

[JjBee62]

I give blood every 12 weeks, I just recently donated blood and the Red Cross now also tests the blood for covid 19, I tested negative. I was under the impression that masks protect the people around you and not for the person wearing it. If that's true why should I wear one /.

You're right. Masks help protect the people around you.

However, if you are getting screened every 12 weeks, there's a 10 week stretch when you could be infected and not know. You might have no symptoms, or your symptoms might be minor. At any time during that period, if you became infected, a mask would help protect the people around you.

Nobody likes masks. They're uncomfortable, they make your face sweat, they fog your glasses and you can smell your own breath. However, most of us only need to put on a mask for a few minutes a few times a day. And if we're wearing masks, maybe other people, people who are infected, will also put on masks. And maybe we can slow this thing back down.

[LatinaLover#1]

Everyone is a selfish asshole and it's even more prevenalent in the US. I think I actually lucked out being stuck here. Rent is cheaper, I still have regular I bang on the side and everyone wears a mask and is super hygenic. Only in America do people protest and complains about not spreading it to others. Fucking morons.

Thanks fo the info!

I give blood every 12 weeks, I just recently donated blood and the Red Cross now also tests the blood for covid 19, I tested negative. I was under the impression that masks protect the people around you and not for the person wearing it. If that's true why should I wear one /.

[Mr Enternational]

The guy (called Silver Fox) in the clip below says:

- His 4. 5 star hotel near Parque 93 charges $40 per guest but he refuses to pay the guest fee at check out, and so they remove it.

- he manages to get 60 numbers of hot, non-P4 P girls per week.

https://youtu.be/B1vSRRbdYpE

Believable?

No. They have his credit card info for incidentals. A hotel that I usually stay in made me pay before they would let the girl in.

[JjBee62]

The guy (called Silver Fox) in the clip below says:

- His 4. 5 star hotel near Parque 93 charges $40 per guest but he refuses to pay the guest fee at check out, and so they remove it.

- he manages to get 60 numbers of hot, non-P4 P girls per week.

https://youtu.be/B1vSRRbdYpE

Believable?

Not believable to me. Didn't watch too much of it. Read the notes below. "Best time of year to come. Any time. " Maybe if you're looking at the weather as an upgrade to Canada. It's fairly miserable during the rainy season.

Gets 60 numbers per week, but according to the notes, most won't respond to his WhatsApp messages.

I'd also guess that getting guest fees removed might be possible, but it's not something I would bet on, especially if you're bringing back 2 girls a day.

[LeyenLouvain]

The guy (called Silver Fox) in the clip below says:

- His 4. 5 star hotel near Parque 93 charges $40 per guest but he refuses to pay the guest fee at check out, and so they remove it.

- he manages to get 60 numbers of hot, non-P4 P girls per week.

https://youtu.be/B1vSRRbdYpE

Believable?

[Elvis 2008]

In it you wallow in logical fallacy. You've designated yourself as the definitive source of knowledge on all things related to Venezuela and Venezuelans, when the discussion has nothing to do with knowledge of Venezuela.

Oh no, correcting your ignorance doesn't make me an expert.

The discussion is about whether people, from any group you wish to assign them to, are individuals or carbon copies.

LOL. That is exactly what YOU did to me and my ex without knowing any of the details of our relationship. She doesn't love you only money. Blah, blah, blah when she felt horrible about taking money and was desperate to make it on her own. You were a hopeless romantic blah, blah, blah. When it wasn't just me but her and our families who bought into our union. The family was in on you being scammed. Blah, blah, blah when they weren't.

Why have 4 million people left Venezuela? They have lost faith in their government, they have lost hope things will get better, and they are out of patience.

If you don't have hope, faith, and patience, a LTR is not going to succeed. Are individuals going to react to what happened in their country differently? Of course, but you are ignorant of what the people in Venezuela have in common.

That is what MY discussion was about.

YOUR discussion was about not stereotyping when you were stereotyping me and my ex.

[JjBee62]

Sigh. You don't even get the point. Let's go over it again. Strippers live in an environment where lying is rewarded, where conning people out of money is rewarded, where looking at other people as marks is rewarded, and it changes people such that anyone pursuing a LTR with a stripper is a fool.

The people who lived in Venezuela after Chavez took office have seen a similar thing happen. They have seen lying rewarded and telling the truth be punished. They saw con men thrive and people who tried to do the right thing be punished, and it changed the people living there. It is not nationality based because anyone who left Venezuela prior to Chavez, when Venezuela was the richest country in Latin America, went unaffected.

You get condition one, JJBee, but you are clueless on condition two. You have said JJBee, "Their lives have been, until the recent problems, almost indistinguishable from the lives of Colombians. " I told you why this was wrong and how I had been there. I tried to show how Venezuelan mismanagement of oil resources, the crown jewel of their economy, has made an oppressive, terrible government like Saudi Arabia's shine in comparison. Aramco, the company which owns 100% of the oil resources, is owned by the Saudi government. True, they employ a butt load of Americans there, but they don't steal. In contrast, the Venezuelan government has public-private partnerships with oil companies, and that government is always playing the victim, finger pointing, reneging on deals, and stealing, and it's not limited to just American and Western oil companies, China and Russia have gone in and gotten burned too.

And what did my ex do when we broke up? Played the victim, reneged on a deal, and engaged in finger pointing.

You can accept the stereotype on strippers. Heck, you went so far with stereotyping that you called my ex a working girl when she wasn't one.

It can't be because she was Venezuelan because, and this is the funny part, you don't think things there were that bad. People have been entirely wiped out wealth wise, gone without power for days at a time, and have gone so hungry that they have an average 20 lb weight loss, and your response was,"Ehhh, that is just recent.".

The irony probably escapes you, but from the very beginning we've been saying the same thing. LTRs with people from vastly different situations from your own are inadvisable and prone to failure.

The only real difference, you want to stamp every Venezuelan with the same mold. In other words, it's a bad idea, but only with Venezuelans, and with every Venezuelan.

While I haven't been to Venezuela, and I'm guessing you haven't been back in the past 2 years, I can appreciate how bad things are. I've never said things aren't bad. You just prefer to create your own story. I'm used to it.

Back on subject, have you been to Colombia? I don't mean the night clubs and massage parlors, nor the restaurants and hotels. I don't even mean the areas like Santa Fe in Bogota. I mean the places where the gringos never go. Have you seen the houses with no windows, dirt floors, no electricity and no running water, where the toilet is a board over a hole in the ground? Or maybe the more upscale places built from scavenged scrap, but tied into City utilities? Have you watched a middle aged woman carrying 50# of groceries up a hill steep enough to give a goat trouble?

You see, economic hard times don't have a huge impact on the lowest economic classes. It just brings a bit, of what they face everyday, up to the middle class. The poorest in every country have it just about the same. Through regime changes, boom times and bust, they just try to survive.

Let's move on to trauma.

All Venezuelans haven't faced the same trauma. Almost all of the ones in the middle, sure. However, most of the people at the top and bottom, are insulated. The top is insulated by money. The bottom is insulated by experience.

Even if every single Venezuelan experienced the exact same trauma, you've forgotten one key point: they are all individuals.

Different people react differently to trauma. Some crumble, some panic, some persevere and some rise above. Venezuela isn't unique, it's just current.

Pardon me for the assumption "your girl" was a working girl. In a previous post you were stating marriage to a working girl was a good idea, and that I was guilty of stereotyping by considering such a union a mistake. Since "your girl" is the only one you've been talking about marrying, I made the assumption.

I was tempted to once again go line by line through your post to point out your errors, but why waste the time? You would simply run away from anything you can't defend, change the narrative and play the victim.

Instead, I'll close with your final paragraph. In it you wallow in logical fallacy. You've designated yourself as the definitive source of knowledge on all things related to Venezuela and Venezuelans, when the discussion has nothing to do with knowledge of Venezuela. The discussion is about whether people, from any group you wish to assign them to, are individuals or carbon copies.