Stupid Shit in Bogota

[Elvis 2008]

This is a sweet 2 lie combo.

Sigh. You don't even get the point. Let's go over it again. Strippers live in an environment where lying is rewarded, where conning people out of money is rewarded, where looking at other people as marks is rewarded, and it changes people such that anyone pursuing a LTR with a stripper is a fool.

The people who lived in Venezuela after Chavez took office have seen a similar thing happen. They have seen lying rewarded and telling the truth be punished. They saw con men thrive and people who tried to do the right thing be punished, and it changed the people living there. It is not nationality based because anyone who left Venezuela prior to Chavez, when Venezuela was the richest country in Latin America, went unaffected.

You get condition one, JJBee, but you are clueless on condition two. You have said JJBee, "Their lives have been, until the recent problems, almost indistinguishable from the lives of Colombians. " I told you why this was wrong and how I had been there. I tried to show how Venezuelan mismanagement of oil resources, the crown jewel of their economy, has made an oppressive, terrible government like Saudi Arabia's shine in comparison. Aramco, the company which owns 100% of the oil resources, is owned by the Saudi government. True, they employ a butt load of Americans there, but they don't steal. In contrast, the Venezuelan government has public-private partnerships with oil companies, and that government is always playing the victim, finger pointing, reneging on deals, and stealing, and it's not limited to just American and Western oil companies, China and Russia have gone in and gotten burned too.

And what did my ex do when we broke up? Played the victim, reneged on a deal, and engaged in finger pointing.

You can accept the stereotype on strippers. Heck, you went so far with stereotyping that you called my ex a working girl when she wasn't one.

It can't be because she was Venezuelan because, and this is the funny part, you don't think things there were that bad. People have been entirely wiped out wealth wise, gone without power for days at a time, and have gone so hungry that they have an average 20 lb weight loss, and your response was,"Ehhh, that is just recent."

JJBee, truth is that you are so in love with your stereotypes of me as hopeless Romantic, her as a working girl, and you as the sage male that has avoided the LTR trap that you have made the most absurd statement of all time: working as a stripper or in prostitution does something to women with LTRs but living in Venezuela does not affect women with LTRs.

In other words, working in a strip club or as a prostitute in a prosperous nation is somehow WORSE than living in Venezuela. All I can say to that, and this is a rhetorical question, is: WTF is wrong with you?

There is nothing else to say. I have an opinion based on facts, experience, studying history, and a two year relationship with this woman, her friends, and her family, and you and others have an opinion based on meeting a few Venezuelans who were cool. There is no way my opinion is going to change, and I doubt yours will either.

[JjBee62]

Sorry, but I don't. Her face was incredible, but she had a bit of a belly pooch. If I was guessing I'd say she'd recently had a baby. I'll look up her name and see if I can find her on Facebook.

Dug her name out of the files, but couldn't find her on Facebook. Still have another avenue which may give me results. I did remember that she's a squirter.

[JjBee62]

The one in black is a stunner. Do you have a phone number for her?

Sorry, but I don't. Her face was incredible, but she had a bit of a belly pooch. If I was guessing I'd say she'd recently had a baby. I'll look up her name and see if I can find her on Facebook.

[JjBee62]

No, I said Venezuelan have endured life changing trauma. They had their currency devalued 99%. They underwent food shortages, hunger, dirty water, frequent power shortages, and saw honest government officials subjected to poverty and crooked ones thrive. When your government leaders steal others blind, it does create a culture where stealing is okay. You blow all this off and say Colombians endured similar trauma which just shows you are clueless.

This is a sweet 2 lie combo. First:

Venezuelans are fucked up. They think that they are rich because of their oil reserves, and the world stole from there, so it is okay to steal from others.

So, you actually did make the statement that you're now pretending you never made. Second, I said:

The more important question is, what does any of that have to do with the attitudes of all Venezuelans? What does it have to do with their understanding of capitalism? They've been going to the stores to buy their goods their whole life. They've been selling the products they make their whole life. There has never been some magical Venezuelan fairy who pops up and brings people masarepa, beans, rice, eggs and chicken whenever they say "Hail Chavez. " Their lives have been, until the recent problems, almost indistinguishable from the lives of Colombians.

As you could see, if you ever pulled your head out of your ass, I never stated that Colombians endured the same trauma. However, I should have added "of equal economic strata. "

If I were controlling her with money, then why would I offer to marry her and bring her to the USA Where she would get half my income and could make way more money? The FTC says 99.6% of people who enter MLMs lose money, and the company she was working for themselves has reported similar statistics. But once again, don't let facts get in the way of your absurd judgments.

I can't answer your first question. I don't claim to know why people do the things they do. I can't even figure out why you can't get a single thing right. I can point out that it's extremely unlikely she would get half your income, unless you're a complete idiot who's pussy blind. However, you just showed, again, you were using money to control her: "and could make way more money. ".

For the second point, I don't trust governments. That doesn't mean a government can't collect useful data. It means that placing your trust in any large, self-serving organization isn't a winning strategy. Personally, I agree about MLMs. But trying to salvage a failed relationship with government data didn't work.

No, you completely missed the point. I said a woman can't be a gold digger in Venezuela because there is no gold to dig, and no one knows how she is going to react when she moves to a country with gold / wealth.

Just when I think there's a possibility you'll get something right, you fuck it up again. May 2019 Venezuela sold off $570 million from their gold reserves. In addition, in June 2019 Venezuela announced a goal of mining up to 80,000 kilos of gold annually. There's clearly gold in Venezuela.

The woman in question has already moved from a country with gold (Venezuela) to a country with gold (Colombia). She's been in Colombia at least half the time for 2 years. I've seen how she reacts.

You don't move women and then you do and every time you do, it is awesome. Gee, that was hard to predict.

This one is simple, especially for someone who claims to know everything about me. For 7 years (1995-2002) I owned my own semi and moved people throughout the US. I handled the domestic portion of worldwide relocations as well as domestic household moves. I was also, at that time, incredibly active online. I met well over 1,000 people, in person, from online connections, from 1991 to 2002. When I met someone online, I remembered where they were from. Whenever I was headed to an area, I'd let whoever was local know. Mostly women would come to meet me. Sometimes for dinner or a movie, sometimes for coffee. Other times they were looking for a more intimate evening. Occasionally one would be planning a move. I'd give them a bargain price. Both parties won.

There were benefits. A woman I helped move from Texas to Florida tipped me $500. Two young women I moved from Tennessee to Florida both tipped me. One with $100 extra and the other by fucking me all night.

And why is that the only LTR you are interested in? Because you had a previous LTR that was traumatic? That underscores my point. Trauma does affect behavior, and every person recently living in Venezuela has been traumatized.

Well Dr. Freud. It all began with my mother.

Your batting average is. 000 so far. It wouldn't be so embarrassing if you would stop pointing at the fences before every strikeout.

I've had several LTRs. Only 1 was traumatic, and it wasn't the last one. Most ended because it was time to move on. The traumatic one was bipolar and at the time I didn't realize how bad it would get. Sorry, but it doesn't underscore your point.

The reason why I am no longer interested in LTRs is because I've reached a point in my life where I'm comfortable with myself. I don't need someone to affirm my existence. For me I have the best of both worlds. I can sit down with a woman and enjoy myself without worrying about trying to get her in bed. No more trying to impress anyone. If I want someone in my bed, I pick up my phone. No worry that she'll be offended and no three date rule. When I'm done, Chao.

Your behavior is showing you are stereotyping based on sex. You are saying any guy who gets into a LTR with a woman is a sucker, and any woman is the devil. Or maybe we should clarify this: any working woman right? I don't get why working women are okay to have as friends but not as GFs or wives. Because you had a bad experience one time and have seen similar things happen to others?

I bet if I gave you a single brick you could recreate the Parthenon in 5 minutes. You're a master at fabricating something from nothing.

I know a lot of guys who have been in LTRs with the same women for decades. I don't consider them to be suckers. I'm thrilled for them. I don't think every woman is the devil either. Besides the ridiculousness of twisting a plural into a singular, I don't believe in any devil. If anything, I've more often been guilty of idolizing women.

You don't get a lot of things. You don't even get the things you say:

But investing long term in a stripper or in Venezuela / a Venezuelan has been and should be expected to be a disaster.

Yet now you wonder why it's a bad idea to make a working girl into a wife.

A LTR needs a lot of things to work. Sure, you can try to marry a hooker, if someone doesn't introduce her to MLM, but that's always going to be an issue. When there's an argument who will bring it up? Where do you stand when a friend learns your wife is a retired prostitute? What happens when you learn your boss is a former customer? These things can be overcome, but it requires 2 exceptional people committed to the relationship. That's difficult when hookers and mongers typically have issues committing to monogamous, relationships. Or are there hoards of monogamous working girls and johns out there that I'm unaware of?

Or maybe it is because of the circumstances you met in. Right? That is what you were ranting about before. If you meet a woman as a hooker and you pay her, then she will always think of you as a john. Money will be the basis of your relationship. So a woman's and man's individual character don't matter? Who is stereotyping now?

If you build a house out of wood, you'll have a wooden house. If you want a brick house you need to build it with bricks. If you meet a prostitute as a customer, you've laid the foundation. It's possible to build a relationship, maybe one that will last. However, it's an uphill battle. There are reasons why you visit prostitutes. There are reasons why she is a prostitute. It's not a simple thing for both to change. If her reason for working was money, will she see you as a pay raise? If she's a unicorn who loves sex so much she decided to get paid for it, does she see you as capable of keeping her satisfied?

Show me an attractive woman who is not a working girl who will stay with a guy who was initially fit and wealthy and then becomes obese and impoverished because I haven't seen that. Shit, a sizable percentage of women I know have gotten divorced out of boredom. So this whole notion you have of a working woman being the devil and nonworking woman as angel doesn't fit either. Again, YOU are stereotyping!!

Tell me you're a masochist and this might make sense. Otherwise, why would you constantly bend over and say "please sir, spank me again?

Perhaps if you weren't such a boor, all those women wouldn't leave you out of boredom.

There's a reason why your angel / devil construct doesn't work. Nothing I've written has so much as insinuated anything remotely resembling this idiotic fantasy of yours.

I judge individual women based on their actions. Whether they choose to be a nurse or a hooker, an engineer or a porn star, is irrelevant. Those are all just jobs. How they choose to support themselves is less important than why they chose that line of work. I don't judge them based on their nationality, or the color of their skin.

Each one is an individual. The most I will do is use my past experience to compare their behavior.

The truth of the matter is Jjbee is that you have had bad LTRs, and your opinion of yourself is so high that you think any guy going for them is going to suffer the same fate you do, and you reject anything and anyone who doesn't conform to your opinion. It's not worth my time discussing anything with someone who is as egotistical and factually challenged as you are.

Have you been getting pegged by Rudy Giuliani? Your "truth" sounds a lot like his "truth is not truth" line.

Overall, my LTRs have been fantastic. Even the bipolar girl was incredible, until the switch flipped. The only real trauma was learning that it wasn't something I could fix.

About 3 years ago, one of those women tracked me down on Facebook. I hadn't seen her for over 30 years. She's got grandkids! And she told me she considers me one of the great loves of her life. Two years ago the daughter of my first wife tracked me down. My ex had recently died. Her daughter said the ex had kept all my old letters, cards and pictures. Heck, even the one that left me to be a sugar baby, hit me up after that fell through and asked how I'd been.

Egotistical? Not really. While I'm the world's greatest at being me, I can't say I'm the best at anything else and not many people are trying to be me.

I don't believe every man seeking an LTR will fail. Although I bet a lot would love to suffer my same date. Never paid alimony or support, never lost a house, never had an expensive divorce, never had an argument where I ended up cursing and screaming. However, did have 2 women who went through my sexual bucket list and checked everything off. Ever been with 4 women without paying any of them? Ever fuck while driving through Alabama at 1 am, going 70 mph with the dome light on? Ever have your girl surprise you with a stripper?

I do believe that it's highly unlikely to create a happy, lasting marriage with a prostitute, or a stripper, porn star, webcam model, or someone in a much higher or lower economic class. Now go ahead and tell me about your successful experience.

[Bleble]

I agree, the one in black is a stunner.

The one in black is a stunner. Do you have a phone number for her?

[Cm6363]

In the first, she's the one in white.

The one in black is a stunner. Do you have a phone number for her?

[Elvis 2008]

My story about one Venezuelan was to illustrate one point:

Don't stereotype.

You stated all Venezuelans are fucked up. You also suggested they are all thieves. No sense in going into your other generalizations in this latest post.

No, I said Venezuelan have endured life changing trauma. They had their currency devalued 99%. They underwent food shortages, hunger, dirty water, frequent power shortages, and saw honest government officials subjected to poverty and crooked ones thrive. When your government leaders steal others blind, it does create a culture where stealing is okay. You blow all this off and say Colombians endured similar trauma which just shows you are clueless.

The MLM guy was correct. You were using money to control her. The girl was also right, governments aren't to be trusted. They're like a vicious dog on a chain. The dog can only be trusted up to the strength of the chain.

If I were controlling her with money, then why would I offer to marry her and bring her to the USA Where she would get half my income and could make way more money? The FTC says 99.6% of people who enter MLMs lose money, and the company she was working for themselves has reported similar statistics. But once again, don't let facts get in the way of your absurd judgments.

No. I didn't miss the point. I don't move women into countries where there is gold or wealth.

No, you completely missed the point. I said a woman can't be a gold digger in Venezuela because there is no gold to dig, and no one knows how she is going to react when she moves to a country with gold / wealth.

Ironically, I've moved dozens of women..

You don't move women and then you do and every time you do, it is awesome. Gee, that was hard to predict.

The women I've developed friendships with (the only LTR I'm interested in) treat me like a friend. If I want to fuck, I call a prepago.

And why is that the only LTR you are interested in? Because you had a previous LTR that was traumatic? That underscores my point. Trauma does affect behavior, and every person recently living in Venezuela has been traumatized.

Your behavior is showing you are stereotyping based on sex. You are saying any guy who gets into a LTR with a woman is a sucker, and any woman is the devil. Or maybe we should clarify this: any working woman right? I don't get why working women are okay to have as friends but not as GFs or wives. Because you had a bad experience one time and have seen similar things happen to others?

Or maybe it is because of the circumstances you met in. Right? That is what you were ranting about before. If you meet a woman as a hooker and you pay her, then she will always think of you as a john. Money will be the basis of your relationship. So a woman's and man's individual character don't matter? Who is stereotyping now?

Show me an attractive woman who is not a working girl who will stay with a guy who was initially fit and wealthy and then becomes obese and impoverished because I haven't seen that. Shit, a sizable percentage of women I know have gotten divorced out of boredom. So this whole notion you have of a working woman being the devil and nonworking woman as angel doesn't fit either. Again, YOU are stereotyping!!

The truth of the matter is Jjbee is that you have had bad LTRs, and your opinion of yourself is so high that you think any guy going for them is going to suffer the same fate you do, and you reject anything and anyone who doesn't conform to your opinion. It's not worth my time discussing anything with someone who is as egotistical and factually challenged as you are.

[JjBee62]

In the first, she's the one in white. No tattoos, no piercings, no fake anything. The one in black had a prettier face, but the body was flabby. That pic was from Nov 2017. The other from July 2019.

As I think back I keep remembering other Venezuelans. I never really classified them as Venezuelans, just as I didn't classify this one that way. However, we've recently talked about Venezuela, so it's easy to remember.

One guy was a moderator at a webcam studio. Never got to know him well. Just noticed he did his job and was nice to me. Three more all worked at the same bar. One was the cook and the other 2 waitresses. The cook and I chatted quite a bit. Seemed reasonable.

One waitress was sweet and ditzy. She asked about webcam modeling, so I took her into the women's bathroom and took pictures of her tits. I think her boyfriend talked her into going to Ecuador.

The other claimed to have been a world class dancer. She was rather mercenary. Plastic tits, plastic ass, a whole wardrobe of fake smiles. Rather hardcore pro. I developed a train wreck fascination with her. I just wanted to find out if she lived up to her own hype. I wasn't overly impressed, but it was still an interesting night. She seems to be doing well. She just returned from a trip to Cancun and I'm certain it wasn't at her expense.

Each one was different.

It's much harder to get to know people than to just assign them a label.

[JjBee62]

JJBee, I never bothered reading your experience with one Venezuelan woman because it was so obvious that you were trying to put me down and bring yourself up. It was like you were saying that you had a great experience with a Venezuelan woman, and the fact that I had a poor one meant that I was a hopeless Romantic.

But I finally read it. The truth is that your experience was practically identical to mine except the good part of my relationship lasted 18 months, and chances are the woman I was with was way better looking. I have attached two pics of her. These pics were of her in Venezuela and with a better diet, clothes, and workout equipment, in Peru she looked even better than she did.

When you mentioned that you thought the average Colombian and Venezuelan had similar experiences, it was at that point I realized that you were clueless as to what is and was going on..

I wrote a long reply to you last week. Covering just about everything you decided that I didn't know. The admins (wisely) decided to block it. They're nice guys who occasionally provide better judgement for me.

My story about one Venezuelan was to illustrate one point:

Don't stereotype.

You stated all Venezuelans are fucked up. You also suggested they are all thieves. No sense in going into your other generalizations in this latest post.

On top of your stereotyping you bitched about people using stereotypes, for reporting frequently observed behavior. Then you go to great lengths to try and justify your continued stereotyping of all Venezuelans.

Pick a side. Either decide that stereotyping is wrong (the only correct answer) or keep trying to convince everyone all Venezuelans are the same.

As for you being a hopeless romantic, read your own posts. You worried about losing her to someone with a better body, or who spent more money. You worried her exclusion of you from social media would keep her from getting a fiance visa. You white knighted yourself over providing supplies and medicine to her family and over moving them out of Venezuela. And you continue to demonstrate that you are not over her yet.

The MLM guy was correct. You were using money to control her. The girl was also right, governments aren't to be trusted. They're like a vicious dog on a chain. The dog can only be trusted up to the strength of the chain.

The Venezuelan I have discussed, in detail, I met November 2017. Which means the good part of our "relationship" has lasted almost 21 months. Except I would never call it a relationship. She's someone I know and enjoy spending time with. She's someone who doesn't exhibit the behaviors you assigned to all Venezuelans. She's also, in my opinion, better looking.

You completely miss the point. There aren't gold diggers in Venezuela because there is no gold / wealth to be had. When you move a woman into a country where there is gold / wealth, you don't know what she will become or how she will change in order to obtain it.

No. I didn't miss the point. I don't move women into countries where there is gold or wealth. Ironically, I've moved dozens of women, but all of them paid me for the service and a few of them fucked me as a means of leaving a tip. I'm not interested in putting on tights and a cape and running around shouting "Captain SaveAHoe to the rescue!" Any pictures of me in tights are fake and I was drunk. I either pay women for service provided, or I develop a relationship with them based on mutual respect and interest. Combining the two is a recipe for failure.

My method works for me. The women I pay ask me to see them again, when I'm in town. One of them even insists on introducing me to her friends. The women I've developed friendships with (the only LTR I'm interested in) treat me like a friend. One of them insists I use her apartment when I'm in town. If I want to hang out and discuss anything and everything, I call a friend. If I want to fuck, I call a prepago.

[Elvis 2008]

JJBee, I never bothered reading your experience with one Venezuelan woman because it was so obvious that you were trying to put me down and bring yourself up. It was like you were saying that you had a great experience with a Venezuelan woman, and the fact that I had a poor one meant that I was a hopeless Romantic.

But I finally read it. The truth is that your experience was practically identical to mine except the good part of my relationship lasted 18 months, and chances are the woman I was with was way better looking. I have attached two pics of her. These pics were of her in Venezuela and with a better diet, clothes, and workout equipment, in Peru she looked even better than she did.

When you mentioned that you thought the average Colombian and Venezuelan had similar experiences, it was at that point I realized that you were clueless as to what is and was going on.

Why is that? Almost all wealth in Venezuela comes from oil. Chavez came in at a time when there were record low oil prices. One of Chavez's first actions was to fire half the people, the ones he felt disloyal to him at PVDSA, the national oil company, and he put in his cronies. Normally, such a move would have been a disaster but due to the nature of oil production and the quadrupling of oil prices, Venezuela was swimming in money. Chavez then used said money to buy off the poor who in turn voted for him and loved him. When production or oil prices started slipping, Chavez nationalized item after item and gave his incompetent cronies control of the seized companies. He demonized wealth and capitalism all while he and his cronies stuffed their pockets full of money and these corrupt government thieves stashed billions in cash in foreign banks.

I went to a shareholder meeting in Venezuela in 2007, when oil was at its peak. The workers and shareholders of the company were openly talking about screwing over the American parent who had built the company from the ground up. Stealing was okay. Your word meant nothing. Treating your citizens ethically was for suckers.

I picked up a Venezuelan stripper and took her to my hotel. She was great in the sack, but for the first time I can ever recall, she wouldn't name me a price. That is how badly Chavez and his anti-greed message had sunk in. Hookers weren't giving out prices.

Price controls had been put in place, and the quality and scarcity of goods, the anti-greed message, and the gross incompetence of corporate and government mismanagement put everyone I met if not in a down right shitty mood then certainly an ambivalent one. Smiles were not seen very often. Colombia was the land of smiles and had a wide variety of high quality, reasonably priced goods.

I met my ex in 2017. I didn't give her money at least the amount wasn't important because you couldn't buy shit in Venezuela anyway. I got her an airplane ticket to Aruba, and we met and went shopping for toiletries, food, and medications. Her father was diabetic and his eyesight was horrible due to high blood sugars as was his need to [CodeWord111] every hour. Those conditions greatly improved with medication. Her sister's daily debilitating migraines were relieved with medication, and she was able to function and be productive. The sister was later crushed as a 21 year old friend of hers died due to his not being able to get antibiotics.

And you said Colombians and Venezuelans pretty much had it the same? And you made the comparison between this and a Colombian woman who you pay money to? Are you out of your FUCKING mind?

But you JJBee, you thought that you had seen it all before. You actually were so stupid that you compared giving money to a Colombian woman who uses it to buy a 10th pair of shoes the same as giving money to treat a family's debilitating illnesses. You went through this ridiculous rant about renting a woman and how she never loved me even though YOU HAD NO FUCKING CLUE as to what the condition of she and her family were.

So how did the people in Venezuela deal with the poverty? They came together, shared, went to church, prayed, and helped each other out. The material was not important because the government demonized it, and it was not obtainable. Families emphasized their daughters seek out productive men over handsome ones. Anyone who saved money saw their currency stolen from them as the government devalued it by 99%, home prices plummeted, and businesses were seized. Stealing was worthwhile, and saving and investment were wastes of time. All the things that a healthy culture emphasizes to be done were mistakes in Venezuela. It is this aspect of the economy that affected ALL Venezuelans.

So what happens when Venezuelans enter a capitalist country? They are pretty much the same at first as they are feeling things out but being thrown into a different culture changes people as they adjust to a new set of rules. Wealth accumulation is not a pipe dream but obtainable.

In my case, my ex had been trained to listen to her friends and to not listen to the government. When a flashy con man came along and told her that she could have her own money, and her friends who were taking advantage of her in their multilevel marketing (MLM) Ponzi scheme, told her not to be a gold digger and earn money on her own, I didn't have a chance. They told her as you implied that the money I was giving her was being used to control her. They were there every day and I wasn't, and these MLM people put on great shows. My experiences and use of American government statistics showing 99+% of people involved in MLM companies meant nothing to her as her experience had taught her governments weren't meant to be trusted. She lied to me because I was negative on MLMs when she first mentioned them, and she thought that I was preventing her from getting rich, and I was furious at her for lying to me, and that was the cause of our breakup.

When I saw her social media page, she only had handsome men on it but I don't think nor care that she wasn't cheating on me. What bothered me is that by not including me on her page, immigration might deny her a fiance visa. In reality, she was trying to sell people on the glamorous lifestyle that came from buying her product and having a guy who looked like her sugar daddy didn't fit that image.

The one thing I'm certain she won't do is turn into a gold digger.

You completely miss the point. There aren't gold diggers in Venezuela because there is no gold / wealth to be had. When you move a woman into a country where there is gold / wealth, you don't know what she will become or how she will change in order to obtain it.

[Big Boss Man]

It's "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. " Coined by Robert Heinlein in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" in 1966. Author Larry Niven also used it frequently.

Yes. I know it's grammatically incorrect.

No free lunches in Colombia either, but I've found a lot of cheap ones.

I find this interesting because the class where I learned it was in 1966-67. That makes a good teacher to take something that he was reading and incorporate it into his lesson plan. In fact, he was a good teacher.

[Elvis 2008]

Venezuelans have run ins with LE in the neighboring countries every day. What my ex said was hardly unique.

Did you bother to look up what happened to the head of the DEA in 2015 and why? Of course not.

I ask again. Why does Venezuela have more oil than Saudi Arabia but Saudi Arabia is a rich country and Venezuela a poor one? And why would that affect Venezuelans?

You both never "fell in love" as you've said. You fell in love. She fell into a sweet deal. And that's why I'm still bothering with you.

You think you have it all figured out, but you are clueless.

The first year my ex was in Peru, I gave her a whopping $300 a month. All that covered was her rent.

Look at these links https://anfitrionasperu.com/genre/anfitrionas-top/

https://anfitrionasperu.com/genre/anfitrionasa1/.

And what is the going rate for hiring hostesses like this and banging hostesses like these? And do you know if my ex worked as a host? Point is maybe my deal wasn't all that sweet. You just want to believe it was.

Now I get why you dummies were saying if I was afraid of losing her to a guy with more money or a hunk I never had her. My ex was fluent in two languages, had a professional degree, and could be on the cover of a fitness magazine. Any guy not around would be afraid of losing her. What types of women are you all seeing?

As far as why she would be in love, maybe it's because I treated her better than any guy has treated her in her life. People tend to think of you in a positive light when you get them and their loved ones out of fucking hell and put them in a position to do well.

Everything you posted below is just more sheer mental masturbation. A guy just posted how he sent a woman money, and it worked out great for him. So maybe the problem isn't all the women you rant about below. Maybe the problem YOU have had with women is just you being, in your own words, an ass.

Over the years there have been many posts about "Western Union Novios. " Most of them back up that "Western Union crap" I posted. It's common knowledge amongst frequent mongers and mongering expats in Medellin. A quick forum search will confirm it.

As for your claim about Peruvian police treatment of your girl, I dismissed it, because it's not verifiable. I also dismissed it because you keep referring to the girl as "your girl. " Your story, which you've repeated 3 times, clearly shows she was never your girl. Your judgement isn't trustworthy.

You had a sugar baby. The same thing you say you're looking for now. The SB-SD relationship is God level socialism. You're paying someone to not work, with no means to verify they aren't working and then expect them to work for free with no guarantee they'll work when you want them to. I have nothing against such an arrangement. I have said it many times: your money, your dick, your business. However, it's unfair to romanticize it.

You both never "fell in love" as you've said. You fell in love. She fell into a sweet deal. And that's why I'm still bothering with you.

You're probably a lost cause. You'll repeat the same cycle of confusing employment (or is it unemployment?) with love. However, there are guys out there who lack the experience to separate your fantasy from reality. It's not too late for them.

How you begin a relationship has a major impact on the nature of the relationship. If you meet someone at church, the relationship will be difficult if either stops attending church. If you meet at a bar, giving up drinking will strain the relationship. It's not necessarily the end, but it will need effort to change the basis of the relationship.

If you meet someone through a cash transaction, the basis of the relationship is money. There's always going to be a payer and a payee. Love, if you want to call it that, is dependent upon payment. She may enjoy your company. She may enjoy the sex. She may even develop feelings for you. Heck she might even, one day, call you "mi amor. " However, "Pretty Woman" was just a movie. The day your money runs out is the day your relationship ends. The day she finds a better source of income, your relationship ends.

What makes it worse, if you're in a sugar daddy relationship with a girl in another country, she has plenty of free time to either supplement her income or seek out a sugar daddy who has deeper pockets. Even if she doesn't do either of those things, there are plenty of guys around who will be happy to fuck her in the bed you bought. Do you really believe a girl, who loves sex that much, is going to be celibate for 3 months until you return?

If you want to find a sugar baby, you need to do it with your mind open.

1. She doesn't love you. She won't grow to love you. Instead of a daily rental you're in a long-term lease.

2. She isn't loyal to you. She's a mercenary. Your causes mean nothing to her. She enlisted for the paycheck.

3. Fidelity is something you can buy with a stereo. It's not something you can buy with a girlfriend. If you can't handle that she's getting more dick than a Richard convention when you're away, this is not for you.

4. She knows she has a marketable commodity. It's quite likely to become a publicly traded stock. Unless you're willing to wait a long time, the price can only go up.

5. If you forget any of this, she holds your balls for collateral. When she wants a pay raise, or a bonus (I mean, when she needs money because her grandmother is dying. Again), all she has to do is squeeze. If you're paying for the apartment, she can cost you 50 times more than what it'll cost to give her what she wants.

6. It's over when she decides it's over, which might be 3 weeks before you find out it's over. Meanwhile, the apartment has been emptied and she's still picking up the money you send.

Some people like that sort of relationship. It gives them the fantasy of a real relationship at double the cost for 1/10th the time. As long as you understand the difference between fantasy and reality, go for it.

[JjBee62]

But you don't know any Venezuelans. So you just imagined what I said wasn't true? Why? To make yourself feel better?

Why are you posting stuff when you admit that you don't know any Venezuelans?

I am glad your faith in humanity is such that you think the citizens in neighboring countries aren't fucking over Venezuelans right and left, but if they are, then you are clueless.

As for the police taking the side of a Venezuelan working girl in Colombia over an American government employee, that is a good one. Instead of imagining how the Colombian police would behave, why don't you educate yourself on how they HAVE behaved in the past? Why was the head of the DEA fired /"retired" in 2015? Any clue as to why?

If you are going to have an opinion, at least back it up with some facts. First, you posted that Western Union crap and now this. Nobody wants to read posts that are in a exercise in mental masturbation.

Do you read English? I'm asking because you either have the memory of a housefly, or your reading comprehension is well below what should be required to advance past 6th grade.

I wrote an extensive, detailed discussion about my experience with one particular Venezuelan. I believe I've written about her 3 or 4 times prior to that discussion. Hell, a few months ago I wrote a detailed description of the differences between the Venezuelan and Colombian cedula. Then I discussed my interactions with another Venezuelan, in just the last few days.

This entire silly confusion came about because I posted that I don't know "All Venezuelans", in response to your "all Venezuelans are fucked up" claim.

Read this part real slow, so there's a tiny chance you'll understand.

Not knowing all Venezuelans does not equal knowing no Venezuelans. Knowing one Venezuelan does not equal knowing all Venezuelans.

After making and defending your claim that "All Venezuelans are fucked up" you went on a pissy little rant that it's unfair to stereotype people. I notice you forgot to quote that bit.

Over the years there have been many posts about "Western Union Novios. " Most of them back up that "Western Union crap" I posted. It's common knowledge amongst frequent mongers and mongering expats in Medellin. A quick forum search will confirm it.

As for your claim about Peruvian police treatment of your girl, I dismissed it, because it's not verifiable. I also dismissed it because you keep referring to the girl as "your girl. " Your story, which you've repeated 3 times, clearly shows she was never your girl. Your judgement isn't trustworthy.

You had a sugar baby. The same thing you say you're looking for now. The SB-SD relationship is God level socialism. You're paying someone to not work, with no means to verify they aren't working and then expect them to work for free with no guarantee they'll work when you want them to. I have nothing against such an arrangement. I have said it many times: your money, your dick, your business. However, it's unfair to romanticize it.

You both never "fell in love" as you've said. You fell in love. She fell into a sweet deal. And that's why I'm still bothering with you.

You're probably a lost cause. You'll repeat the same cycle of confusing employment (or is it unemployment?) with love. However, there are guys out there who lack the experience to separate your fantasy from reality. It's not too late for them.

How you begin a relationship has a major impact on the nature of the relationship. If you meet someone at church, the relationship will be difficult if either stops attending church. If you meet at a bar, giving up drinking will strain the relationship. It's not necessarily the end, but it will need effort to change the basis of the relationship.

If you meet someone through a cash transaction, the basis of the relationship is money. There's always going to be a payer and a payee. Love, if you want to call it that, is dependent upon payment. She may enjoy your company. She may enjoy the sex. She may even develop feelings for you. Heck she might even, one day, call you "mi amor. " However, "Pretty Woman" was just a movie. The day your money runs out is the day your relationship ends. The day she finds a better source of income, your relationship ends.

What makes it worse, if you're in a sugar daddy relationship with a girl in another country, she has plenty of free time to either supplement her income or seek out a sugar daddy who has deeper pockets. Even if she doesn't do either of those things, there are plenty of guys around who will be happy to fuck her in the bed you bought. Do you really believe a girl, who loves sex that much, is going to be celibate for 3 months until you return?

If you want to find a sugar baby, you need to do it with your mind open.

1. She doesn't love you. She won't grow to love you. Instead of a daily rental you're in a long-term lease.

2. She isn't loyal to you. She's a mercenary. Your causes mean nothing to her. She enlisted for the paycheck.

3. Fidelity is something you can buy with a stereo. It's not something you can buy with a girlfriend. If you can't handle that she's getting more dick than a Richard convention when you're away, this is not for you.

4. She knows she has a marketable commodity. It's quite likely to become a publicly traded stock. Unless you're willing to wait a long time, the price can only go up.

5. If you forget any of this, she holds your balls for collateral. When she wants a pay raise, or a bonus (I mean, when she needs money because her grandmother is dying. Again), all she has to do is squeeze. If you're paying for the apartment, she can cost you 50 times more than what it'll cost to give her what she wants.

6. It's over when she decides it's over, which might be 3 weeks before you find out it's over. Meanwhile, the apartment has been emptied and she's still picking up the money you send.

Some people like that sort of relationship. It gives them the fantasy of a real relationship at double the cost for 1/10th the time. As long as you understand the difference between fantasy and reality, go for it.

[Elvis 2008]

Why yes. I think the police would have taken the girl's side if she was Venezuelan. She was the victim of a crime. While not all police are perfect, police tend to take the side of crime victims over criminals.

I have no opinion on your ex, her alleged stalker and the alleged Peruvian police response, since it seems to be impossible to be polite while saying "we don't give a fuck about you."

But you don't know any Venezuelans. So you just imagined what I said wasn't true? Why? To make yourself feel better?

Why are you posting stuff when you admit that you don't know any Venezuelans?

I am glad your faith in humanity is such that you think the citizens in neighboring countries aren't fucking over Venezuelans right and left, but if they are, then you are clueless.

As for the police taking the side of a Venezuelan working girl in Colombia over an American government employee, that is a good one. Instead of imagining how the Colombian police would behave, why don't you educate yourself on how they HAVE behaved in the past? Why was the head of the DEA fired /"retired" in 2015? Any clue as to why?

If you are going to have an opinion, at least back it up with some facts. First, you posted that Western Union crap and now this. Nobody wants to read posts that are in a exercise in mental masturbation.

[JjBee62]

Let me start by saying, I already know I'm an ass. I call bullshit when I see bullshit and that upsets people who are trying to sell bullshit.

MBD, the stereotypes these guys come up with aren't worth addressing. All women are the same, their families are the same, but stereotype on nationality? That isn't cool.

Let's talk about stereotyping. This whole conversation started because you were stereotyping Venezuelans:

Venezuelans are fucked up. They think that they are rich because of their oil reserves, and the world stole from there, so it is okay to steal from others. After Western nations got ripped off, China and Russia moved in and they have gotten ripped off now. Maybe it's not fair to characterize all Venezuelans this way, but I was afraid that I would lose my woman to another man, and I did. I lost her to this stupid Ponzi scheme known as imarketslive or IML, and the guy was this sleaze ball founder, Christopher Terry. It makes Amway look ethical. You don't have to work, just trade currencies. Working is for suckers. That is the socialist way right?

I don't think you can live in a country that fucked up and leave it unscathed, people eating from the trash. Jesus. It would be nice to see someone commit to a Venezuelan and them honor their word. Maybe that isn't fair but when you grow up in a culture of lies, it is hard to not lie yourself. Then you throw women in the mix and it is even worse. Yes, I think my girl was a narcissist, but how many hot women are normal? I think if I were to get married again it would have to be to an unattractive woman. Don't kid yourself, guys. These women really rarely love you. I literally got this woman out of hell, and this is what she did. Her family swore she was loyal, but in my heart, I think she was fucking around on me.

Now, do you think all Venezuelans are fucked up and thieves, or do you think it's unfair to stereotype them? You can't have it both ways.

I can think of five different and easier ways to send money than Western Union. How would anyone know who sent the money and that these hot women are getting money from foreigners who have two (not one and not three) guys with them and the exact role these men play? Hang out at Western Union all day? All over a city?

Kudos to you on scoring big.

I can think of 5 different ways to get laid without paying to move a hooker and her entire family to Peru. But that's hardly relevant.

The day after I arrived in Colombia, for what ended up being a 1 year stay, my bank account got hit with a big fraudulent charge. The bank blocked it and cancelled my ATM card. My replacement card got lost twice and it took almost 2 months to get a new card. Since I had consolidated everything prior to the move, my only source of money was to have a relative send it and Western Union was the most convenient option.

I made several trips to Western Union, always with my roommate. She also needed to make several trips to Western Union and I always went with her. There was usually a wait. There was often an attractive, inappropriately attired (for that location), young woman also waiting. These women were usually with 2 young men who did not appear to belong to the local economic strata. They were usually talking. My roommate's Spanish was pretty good, since she's 100% Colombian. After we left she would recount the conversation for me. She thought it was funny because the guys would be mocking the girl's Principe Azul.

It's also reasonably easy to spot a boyfriend when he's got his hand down the back of a girl's pants and is kissing on her neck.

I had another experience. My last full day in Colombia, at the end of that year, I was eating breakfast at a favorite place in Laureles. I'd been chatting with one of the waitresses for about 2 months. She was cute, sweet and Venezuelan. She was also lesbian, but I'm pretty sure I could have bought a date with her, if I had wanted.

As I was eating, she brought over a gringo who needed a translator. He was convinced she was the love he'd been searching for. He had taken her shopping twice. He had eaten at the restaurant several times, but it didn't appear he'd actually gotten her into bed. He had found someone who said he had a job for her. He wanted me to explain that to her. He also wanted to let her know he would be sending her $200 every week so she could take care of herself. He specifically stated Western Union.

The guy was literally gushing and she was clearly embarrassed. He knew almost nothing about her because he spoke no Spanish. He just knew she was pretty and that she smiled at him when he gave her money. After he left she wanted to know how to avoid him. I told her to take the money and whenever he returned tell him she had to return to Venezuela.

I don't have a problem with anyone sending any girl, in any country, money, for any reason. I think it's great. And I'm also certain many of the recipients will show their gratitude. I never claimed that wouldn't happen.

However, that money doesn't buy you loyalty. It doesn't buy you fidelity. It doesn't buy you respect. And it definitely doesn't buy you love.