Stupid Shit in Bogota

[Combo]

Maybe you're absolutely right about your Venezuelan girl. I hope so. You pretty much nailed the current US situation.

Rather than go through a lot of explanations, I will just recommend that you keep a touch of skepticism. When these affairs fall apart the financial damage is the least of the problems.

BTW. Expect to get several nasty responses. A significant percentage of mongers are Trump fans.

And a significant percentage of mongers are fans of other politicians. Not sure what the point is.

Ok, explain me one thing. How is a $500 B trade deficit with China and obvious intellectual property theft and state sponsored industrial espionage helpful near term or long term to the US? Just curious to hear why you believe a continuation of the trade policy of the last 3 x 8 yr = 24 yr is the path forward.

And I am asking this question in a genuinely non partisan way.

I think it's a matter of approach. You may be correct about a problem with our trade with China. But the way Trump has approached it hasn't been sensical. He's let it become an ego match, which isn't going to work with Xi who faces no electoral / political pressure for basically the rest of his life.

[Big Boss Man]

Ok, explain me one thing. How is a $500 B trade deficit with China and obvious intellectual property theft and state sponsored industrial espionage helpful near term or long term to the US? Just curious to hear why you believe a continuation of the trade policy of the last 3 x 8 yr = 24 yr is the path forward.

And I am asking this question in a genuinely non partisan way.

I, for one, can only give you a partisan answer. I fundamentally believe that free markets will lead to better outcomes than government-controlled markets. A tariff is a government-intervention in a market, plain and simple.

Free competitive markets are a core liberal tenet. "Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism (free markets), democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech. ".

Trump was writing the same things about Japan in 1987 and I believe he was wrong about the outcome then as he is now. "For decades, Japan and other nations have been taking advantage of the United States," Trump wrote. (See attached).

[GeneHickman]

What you're saying then is that my girl is no different from Melania Trump.

For those not too familiar with US popular culture: Melania Trump is a minor character in a reality TV drama that is shown daily on all channels in the US. The lead character is modelled closely on Hugo Chavez: he presents himself as the leader of a patriotic revolutionary movement, says his country has been treated badly but he will put it first, make it great and help the ordinary man. He polarizes the country, makes it turn in on itself so that he becomes stonger amid the division, disfunctionality and infighting. He thinks his mission is more important than the constitution and democracy, he only believes in elections where he wins. His followers attend raucous rallies where they adore him like the Messiah, many of them have guns and will use them to terrorize ordinary people. Unfortunately, his understanding of economics is badly flawed and his confrontational policies are doing serious damage. Blinded by his ideology, he blames all problems on other people. Because of inertia, short-termist policies, and the existing riches of the country, the economy seems to be booming for the first few years of his reign, but then things start going south.

Tune in again next week for the latest installment. Or for spoilers tune into news from Venezuela.

Ok, explain me one thing. How is a $500 B trade deficit with China and obvious intellectual property theft and state sponsored industrial espionage helpful near term or long term to the US? Just curious to hear why you believe a continuation of the trade policy of the last 3 x 8 yr = 24 yr is the path forward.

And I am asking this question in a genuinely non partisan way.

[Elvis 2008]

Remains to be seen, so that everyone is happy. If I come to a point where I feel that she's not worth it to me, I can cut her loose. My risk exposure is very low. I cannot imagine any worst case scenario, like having to pay for a major operation (in Colombia, not USA! That would impact my financial wellbeing in any significant way.

The most serious consquence imaginable would be pregnancy, birth, child support, inheritance. So the plan is birthcontrol followed by TLN DFK BBFS CIP.

It is your emotional well being that is at risk AA. I posted my story for you because all the benefits and issues I had with her you seem to have with your Venezuelan as well. You are going to have to turn a deaf ear to the people saying she is in it just for money and you just for sex. It's there whether you or she want to admit it or not, and my gal did have emotional pressure on her from being called a gold digger by friends and family more than I realized. Still, it was a worthwhile experience even if it ended badly.

I think every monger has had his heart broken and paying for it is a way to prevent one's self from being hurt. I hope it works out. Everyone from afar thought what I was doing was crazy, but everyone who met us had a different opinion. I just met a lady whom I didn't bed who says that she won't date anyone under 50, and she is 28. She just likes hanging around older people. She can't stand the conversations she has with people of her own age. There are women who do want older men and not just for the money.

[JjBee62]

What you're saying then is that my girl is no different from Melania Trump.

For those not too familiar with US popular culture: Melania Trump is a minor character in a reality TV drama that is shown daily on all channels in the US. The lead character is modelled closely on Hugo Chavez: he presents himself as the leader of a patriotic revolutionary movement, says his country has been treated badly but he will put it first, make it great and help the ordinary man. He polarizes the country, makes it turn in on itself so that he becomes stonger amid the division, disfunctionality and infighting. He thinks his mission is more important than the constitution and democracy, he only believes in elections where he wins. His followers attend raucous rallies where they adore him like the Messiah, many of them have guns and will use them to terrorize ordinary people. Unfortunately, his understanding of economics is badly flawed and his confrontational policies are doing serious damage. Blinded by his ideology, he blames all problems on other people. Because of inertia, short-termist policies, and the existing riches of the country, the economy seems to be booming for the first few years of his reign, but then things start going south.

Tune in again next week for the latest installment. Or for spoilers tune into news from Venezuela.

Maybe you're absolutely right about your Venezuelan girl. I hope so. You pretty much nailed the current US situation.

Rather than go through a lot of explanations, I will just recommend that you keep a touch of skepticism. When these affairs fall apart the financial damage is the least of the problems.

BTW. Expect to get several nasty responses. A significant percentage of mongers are Trump fans.

[Arcangel]

The only thing that Venezuelan girl is loving is the money.

What you're saying then is that my girl is no different from Melania Trump.

For those not too familiar with US popular culture: Melania Trump is a minor character in a reality TV drama that is shown daily on all channels in the US. The lead character is modelled closely on Hugo Chavez: he presents himself as the leader of a patriotic revolutionary movement, says his country has been treated badly but he will put it first, make it great and help the ordinary man. He polarizes the country, makes it turn in on itself so that he becomes stonger amid the division, disfunctionality and infighting. He thinks his mission is more important than the constitution and democracy, he only believes in elections where he wins. His followers attend raucous rallies where they adore him like the Messiah, many of them have guns and will use them to terrorize ordinary people. Unfortunately, his understanding of economics is badly flawed and his confrontational policies are doing serious damage. Blinded by his ideology, he blames all problems on other people. Because of inertia, short-termist policies, and the existing riches of the country, the economy seems to be booming for the first few years of his reign, but then things start going south.

Tune in again next week for the latest installment. Or for spoilers tune into news from Venezuela.

[JjBee62]

I would not say they are temps, because many I have been dealing with for years. But it is nothing for me to cut them off. And they can replace me at any time as well. I just enjoy people while they are around. Yesterday I was fucking a chick in Brazil and she asked me to marry her while we were fucking. I told her I was not getting married to anybody.

Last October I had brought one of my girlfriends in Bogota some bluetooth headphones. We had gotten back from a trip to Villa de Leyva and she went to sleep. When she is sleeping I am quiet as a mouse. She gets up the next morning and puts on her headphones and is dancing all around and singing all loud while I am trying to sleep. So I wake up and make a business call. She continued singing all loud. I said shhhh trying to get her to quiet down. She sat on the bed and pouted. When I hung up she gave me the 3rd degree saying her dad does not even tell her to be quiet and if I do it again she will just go home. I said don't do me any favors; you can just go now. She didn't go so I went and took a shower and packed my things up and told her to turn in the key as I walked out the door. You don't fucking threaten me. Since then she has apologized and when I was in Bogota last month she came by and we went to eat and stuff...

You realize you just described a "temp. " Someone who is not guaranteed employment, who can be fired, laid off or reassigned at any time, for any reason.

Your posts almost always make me smile. I spent about 10 years living that life, just on a smaller scale. I had a girl into S and M in New York, a swinger in Phoenix, an anal party girl in Denver, a foot fetish girl in Dallas and a public sex chick in Eugene, Oregon. Wherever else I went, I could usually find someone. All free, many would cook me dinner. Some were just dates, dinner or a movie. Some started as dates but ended in bed. Some were nothing but sex.

Spent a 3 day weekend in a beachfront suite in Virginia Beach with a girl from Kentucky. Her boyfriend had rented the room, but couldn't get there until Tuesday. My best run was 6 girls in 5 states over 7 days.

All of them knew I wasn't available. Almost all of them knew they weren't the only one. It was fun at the time. There were a couple, looking back, that I wish I'd made a commitment to.

[Mr Enternational]

Mr. E's logic is impeccable, for Me. E's situation. His girlfriends are temps. When he's in a city where he has one, he spends time with that one. Neither has to adapt, because each visit is a honeymoon. If one starts being a pain in the ass, he just moves on. He knows he can replace her at any time. There's no long term commitment. Let me know if I'm wrong.

I would not say they are temps, because many I have been dealing with for years. But it is nothing for me to cut them off. And they can replace me at any time as well. I just enjoy people while they are around. Yesterday I was fucking a chick in Brazil and she asked me to marry her while we were fucking. I told her I was not getting married to anybody.

Last October I had brought one of my girlfriends in Bogota some bluetooth headphones. We had gotten back from a trip to Villa de Leyva and she went to sleep. When she is sleeping I am quiet as a mouse. She gets up the next morning and puts on her headphones and is dancing all around and singing all loud while I am trying to sleep. So I wake up and make a business call. She continued singing all loud. I said shhhh trying to get her to quiet down. She sat on the bed and pouted. When I hung up she gave me the 3rd degree saying her dad does not even tell her to be quiet and if I do it again she will just go home. I said don't do me any favors; you can just go now. She didn't go so I went and took a shower and packed my things up and told her to turn in the key as I walked out the door. You don't fucking threaten me. Since then she has apologized and when I was in Bogota last month she came by and we went to eat and stuff.

Most chicks know that I have other chicks although I will never admit to it. I will just say something like tell me her name since you know so much. No evidence, no charge. Hell, even when there is evidence there is no charge. I will be home in Thailand and riding with some chick on my bike and one of my other chicks will send me a message talking about they saw me with some lady. I will say well why didn't you say Hello, then? Then the next day I will be going to stay over that chick's house.

One funny story. Last year I had been dealing with one chick for about a year. I was fooling around on Tinder and met another chick that works at a massage parlor and started fucking her. She said it would be her birthday soon. One night the first chick told me she was going to her friend's birthday party at a disco. Later on she sent me a picture of her partying with her friend. Well it kind of looked like the second girl, but I could not be sure. So I asked if her friend works at the mall with her. She said no, she does massage. I said yeah I know. She was like how do you know? I said I know her. Then she told me that the second girl had to leave because her boyfriend from Dubai or some damn where was going to call. The second chick found out that I was messing with the first chick and tried to cut it off even though she never told me she had a boyfriend. I said we are not cutting anything off. The first girl had already told me it was fine by her for me to mess with her friend too as long as I was happy. The second girl promised that she would not see me again and I told her that we would see about that. Next thing I know she is asking when we are going to the beach and coming to spend the night. To this day I can still call either one of them when I want to see them. And all these are just normal free chicks.

[Arcangel]

Jjbee, you're welcome to be a skeptic. I value your comments, you are one of the most consistently knowledgeable, helpful and sensible contributors to this forum. And you're welcome to say "I told you so" in the future, but what exactly is it you're telling me?

I think you are making a number of assumptions which are incorrect.

I'm not saying I'm about to marry this girl. I don't know how this relationship will develop or how long it will last, but I'm giving it a chance and enjoying it while it lasts. If she starts being a pain in the ass, I can move on. I know I can replace her at any time. But who knows, if she develops into a keeper, so much the better.

You met the girl from SA. Seeking Arrangements. Last year. You were looking for P4P.
How did she get on SA in the first place? I could understand Latin American Cupid. That's a mostly honest dating site. But SA? It's pretty clear that it's set up for women looking for men who will pay them for companionship. She's intelligent and well educated, but couldn't figure out SA is for P4P?

It depends on your definition of P4 P. Some guys may argue that marriage is a P4 P contract. I take it to mean a deal where any payment due is settled in full the same day.

When I'm looking for P4 P I go to a casa and pay 50 k, or I look for a freelancer on mileroticos. I use SA as a dating site which is full of young women looking for older men. I think SA is just as honest as any other dating site, there's nothing dishonest about older men having more money than young women.

On any dating site it is clear that sex is on the cards. On SA there is also the expectation that the guy will provide material support in some form. But that doesn't necessarily make it P4 P, rather it is to some extent the norm in most societies, including latin america. Maybe in the US people see SA as more simply P4 P.

What those women on SA in Colombia and Venezuela are looking for varies. A few are looking for something like a committed relationship. I had one of those, until recently when she got very upset when I said I was meeting someone new. More girls want open relationships or occasional dates with remuneration, gifts or support. Many, I guess, are just testing the waters. Do you have any experience on SA are are talking about your assumptions?

And not one guy messaged her and brought up the subject of money for sex?

Of course she received many messages from guys crudely asking for sex. It turned her off. It's not that she didn't want sex, but not with some random guy who she cannot relate to and who may well disappear the next day. She wasn't yet at the stage where she had to sell her pussy to the highest bidder.

She was apparently able to survive, without ever doing P4P, for the better part of a year.

Believe it or not, most Venezuelans survive without ever doing P4 P. It doesn't take much to survive when you're living with your parents and have no children. Most venezuelans in P4 P I have talked do it to support their kids and / or grandmother.

Not only that, she was able to do well enough to relocate to Bogota, all through an acceptable, non-P4P, source of income.

Many Venezolanos manage to reach Bogota with nothing, walking much of the way. She sold some prized posessions and made the trip with a few dollars in her pocket and hitchhiking on trucks.

Why would she now need money, from you, to survive on?

She would survive somehow without me. But I don't want her to fall too low, I bought her some clothes to look pretty, she arrived in Bogota with very little. I want to share some of my material good fortune with a good-hearted person who improves my quality of life.

What woman is going to hop on a bus to go spend a week with someone she's never met, without understanding that sex is the only reason the guy is bringing her to him? How does she justify leaving whatever she's doing to support herself, unless she sees a chance to improve her situation?

We both understood implicitly that sex was going to happen. But sex wasn't the ONLY reason, I can have that much more easily in Colombia. I think we both were romantic enough to want to try and make an online relationship real. She wasn't doing anything to support herself, and obviously seeing me was a chance to improve her situation, not only materially but emotionally, too.

You spent a week with her, in a hotel or apartment, in a city foreign to both of you. And you're convinced that you've found the love of your life, who is at least 30 years younger than you.
Or are you planning to move to Colombia? That would be the best bet, but not without difficulty.

I never said I've found the love of my life. I found a good person who wants to be my girlfriend. We spent a week in a city I know well having spent a number of months there over recent years. And I now have an apartment there where I live part time. I will be back soon.

Wait until you take her back to the US

I have no intention to take her to the USA. I have no intention to go there myself, it is not a country I am interested in visiting, let alone live in. The last time I was there was in the year 2000. Since then it has got steadily more paranoid and antagonistic against the world. I do not want to talk to any US immigration agent or any redneck in Walmart, I don't want to get shot by the police or by a mass shooter. I don't want to be around people who've been feeding the biggest troll until he got to live in the White House from where he antagonises everybody in the free world and talks lovingly to autocrats. Now, I know that the USA is a country with much natural beauty and many many good people. And so is Iran, Venezuela or Russia, but I'm not going there either. (\rant).

But I do want to take her travelling. The problem with most other girls is that they have commitments like work or children, or they charge by the hour or by the day. They have a life and they need me to add some cash to their life. This girl is free of commitments and she wants to spend her time with me.

Wait until you both have to endure the looks of disgust from everyone.

I am aware of how we look together when we're out. I guess nowadays it's more acceptable for homosexual couples to be out in public than for heterosexuals with a big age difference. Well, in Colombia it's probably the other way around and I've not noticed any looks of disgust. But it's all legal between consenting adults, so let them think what they will. Anyway, I am always respecful and modest.

What happens when you see her picture on here from some guy bragging about the hot Venezuelan who had never done P4P before?

I think I can tell an honest person from a hustler after talking together enough. Now, I'm not perfect but I trust myself enough to take the occasional risk in life. But what makes you think that a girl who sleeps with a man 30 years her senior must be a prostitute? Do you think it's impossible for feelings to exist in this constellation? Do you believe that relationships between men and women are possible at all?

I recently met a Colombian friend of a friend with his girlfriend. He looks around 30, she looks around 60. I don't know what it is that creates a bond between them, but if they're both happy, more power to them.

How much will you pay?

Remains to be seen, so that everyone is happy. If I come to a point where I feel that she's not worth it to me, I can cut her loose. My risk exposure is very low. I cannot imagine any worst case scenario, like having to pay for a major operation (in Colombia, not USA! That would impact my financial wellbeing in any significant way.

The most serious consquence imaginable would be pregnancy, birth, child support, inheritance. So the plan is birthcontrol followed by TLN DFK BBFS CIP.

It's your money. How you spend it is your business.

Yes, and it's not that much money, she is low maintenance and doesn't ask for anything much other than my attention and hugs and kisses. I spend more on my "things" but her attention gives me more happiness than things. I could have a Ferrari but I'd rather have her, and for the price of one Ferrari I could have her 100 times.

[JjBee62]

Again some impeccable logic from Mr E.

After a lot of travelling, I have concluded that the differences in thinking / feeling between people from different countries aren't nearly as big as the differences between men and women. And as far as culture goes, differences between countries are less significant than differences between social classes within countries. If you are middle class, you are more likely to have a successful LTR with a middle class Colombian than with someone who is working class from your own country. And if you're liberal, you'll have more thinking in common with a Colombian liberal than with a conservative from your own country.

I am now seeing a Venezuelan girl from an impoverished middle class family. I started talking to her on SA last year. A large number of girls cannot hold a conversation beyond: "Hola amor, como ests? But this one I could talk to. Her spanish spelling is better than mine, which cannot be said for many of the girls I chat to. She was at home in VZ with no options in life, but recently made it out to Bogot. So I took a risk and sent her money to take a bus and come and stay with me for a week, sight unseen. .

All I can say is "good luck." Hopefully at some point in the future I won't be saying "I told you so."

Mr. E's logic is impeccable, for Me. E's situation. His girlfriends are temps. When he's in a city where he has one, he spends time with that one. Neither has to adapt, because each visit is a honeymoon. If one starts being a pain in the ass, he just moves on. He knows he can replace her at any time. There's no long term commitment. Let me know if I'm wrong.

Much of what you say is true. Economic strata, as well as political and religious views are areas of difficulty. However, in a domestic situation those issues are obvious before any relationship begins. You're mostly exposed to a dating pool from your economic level. If you're religious, you are around women from your religion. You'll normally be at odds with women who hold opposing political views. There are natural filters to steer you.

However, this isn't a domestic situation. You met the girl from SA. Seeking Arrangements. Last year. You were looking for P4P. For several months, at least 8, she's been on SA, and you're the first one she has connected with? I'm just a skeptic.

So I'll ask the hard questions. She was apparently able to survive, without ever doing P4P, for the better part of a year. Not only that, she was able to do well enough to relocate to Bogota, all through an acceptable, non-P4P, source of income. Why would she now need money, from you, to survive on? Was she only being paid to be a virgin and fucking you got her fired?

How did she get on SA in the first place? I could understand Latin American Cupid. That's a mostly honest dating site. But SA? It's pretty clear that it's set up for women looking for men who will pay them for companionship. She's intelligent and well educated, but couldn't figure out SA is for P4P? And not one guy messaged her and brought up the subject of money for sex?

What woman is going to hop on a bus to go spend a week with someone she's never met, without understanding that sex is the only reason the guy is bringing her to him? How does she justify leaving whatever she's doing to support herself, unless she sees a chance to improve her situation?

Where does culture come into play? You spent a week with her, in a hotel or apartment, in a city foreign to both of you. And you're convinced that you've found the love of your life, who is at least 30 years younger than you.

You had a short term relationship that was centered around sex. Cultural differences never came into play. Wait until you take her back to the US and everyone starts whispering behind her back. Wait until your friends start trying to fuck her when you're not around, because they figure if she'll fuck you, she'll fuck them. Wait until you both have to endure the looks of disgust from everyone. Wait until she comes home crying, because some redneck in Walmart told her to go back to her country.

Or are you planning to move to Colombia? That would be the best bet, but not without difficulty.

Unless you're considering one of those 2 options, you're not getting into a long term relationship. You're buying a time share. You sleep there 2 weeks, or 2 months a year. Except you're paying for the bed all year round and you're convinced that bed will be empty whenever you're not in it.

How much will you pay? $300 per month? $500? More? What happens when she needs another $300 or $500 because she's sick, her phone is broken, her brother got arrested. What happens when you see her picture on here from some guy bragging about the hot Venezuelan who had never done P4P before?

It's your money. How you spend it is your business. I'm just saying Caveat Emptor.

[Blue Touch]

Imagine Asian or African guys insisting that they know the experience of being caucasians and their knowledge is better than the Caucasians' knowledge on the subject.

The issue is about a study if an alleged social phenomenon exists or not, rather than advocating or discouraging something. So, perhaps the issue needs to be studied with relevant indicators and methods without bias, and without angry denial, predetermination, mob-rule or retaliation?

[Mr Enternational]

There seems to be a rash of bad advice on here. Take taxis instead of Uber? Don't get a Schwab account?

I have enjoyed some of the OP's reports before. Then when he said his friend got robbed and they went to the bar and demanded to see the cameras I thought it was a stretch. Now with this ching chong shit, I am starting to believe someone hacked into his account. I could not imagine someone walking down any street in Colombia and being taunted like that. Sounds like something from a bad 80s movie.

[Blue Touch]

That's a very through social research with objective measurements and analysis. Thanks.

LOL. A buddy of mine that I met from this board is Asian American. None of that shit happened to him in Medellin. Same with a Filipino buddy that I work with. They were just like anybody else there. Hilarious.

[JjBee62]

There seems to be a rash of bad advice on here. Take taxis instead of Uber? Don't get a Schwab account?

Personally I prefer the Transmilenio in Bogota or the Metro in Medellin over taxis and Uber. I'm okay with the crowding, there's always plenty of eye candy, and I get where I'm going quickly and cheaply, although the Transmilenio is definitely a bumpy ride.

I've had too many Uber drivers get 3 blocks away and then cancel. Had a few taxis in Medellin who hadn't reset the meter and a few where the meter ended up higher than it should have been. In each case it cost me less than 3 k and taught me to pay more attention.

If you're a frequent traveler, getting a Schwab or similar account that refunds all ATM fees, is a smart move. If you only travel occasionally, rarely withdraw cash from ATMs and want the simplicity and service of a local bank, then it might not be worthwhile.

[Bango Cheito]

LOL. A buddy of mine that I met from this board is Asian American. None of that shit happened to him in Medellin. Same with a Filipino buddy that I work with. They were just like anybody else there. Hilarious.

There seems to be a rash of bad advice on here. Take taxis instead of Uber? Don't get a Schwab account?