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  1. #225

    Immunity with positive CoVid-19 antibody test

    CDC now suspects a much larger US population has been infected with CoVid-19 but showed no or mild symptoms, therefore undetected, untested, untreated.

    One of the bro was infected, lost taste and smell for 2 days then recovered. He went to LabCorp for an antibody test and tested positive. That means he is immune and can go to La Zona and have sexy fun with pretty chicas.

    He said the test is unreliable. LabCorp does the Abbot test which is more reliable and costs only $10 for record keeping, balance is billed to insurance or US Government. In contrast Quest Diag charges $119 for test plus $13 for recording. Damn.

    Any bros and chicas tested positive for CoVid-19 antibodies should have immunity and can fun with immunity. I am waiting for my appointment.

    https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/search?query=covid-19

  2. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Travv  [View Original Post]
    Hospitals are where every person infected with a dangerous disease shows up. My guess is you are safer at home than in an environment of infectious bacteria and viruses of every type. The local hospital. As antibiotics become ineffective from overuse, the hospitals become extremely dangerous.
    Several years ago, when I had some back surgery, the surgeon told me that as soon as I was able to get up and walk around, I. E. The day of the surgery, or the next day, I was to get out and go home. He said the worst place for a sick person to be is the hospital.

  3. #223

    Hospitals Generally Dangerous. . . Think Twice Before Going There

    Hospitals are where every person infected with a dangerous disease shows up. My guess is you are safer at home than in an environment of infectious bacteria and viruses of every type. The local hospital. As antibiotics become ineffective from overuse, the hospitals become extremely dangerous.

    "You know how reading the news sometimes makes you wish you were illiterate? Yeah, this is one of those days. Last week, a Nevada woman died while undergoing treatment in a Las Vegas hospital. While her cause of death was officially ruled as a bacterial infection, some medical professionals are calling the woman's death a potential warning shot in the upcoming war against unstoppable superbugs. The bacteria responsible for the woman's death belongs to a class of potentially deadly drug-resistant bacteria known as CREs — carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae. Carbapenem are a type of antibiotics typically given to treat infections of drug-resistant bacteria; the fact that a new class of superbugs are resistant to even these drugs is worrying many in the medical industry.

    Bill Hanage, an infectious diseases epidemiologist at Harvard, told medical news blog STAT that according to these latest data, we might have already lost the war against superbugs. . . " Also, in Mexico, the hospital staff are very old fashioned. They expect their patients to pay their bills. Which means you do not get to leave until payment is made and hospital security will lock you down until you or your family pays up. . . A number of Americans make this discovery on their vacations after an accident and discuss their nightmare experiences on the Mexico Vacation Awareness blog. . .

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers.

    Years of neglect have hobbled many Mexican hospitals. Now, as the pandemic strikes, some patients are dying from neglect or from mistakes that are easily prevented, doctors and nurses say.

    By Natalie Kitroeff and Paulina Villegas May 28,2020 Updated 9:36 am ET.

    The senseless deaths torment doctors and nurses the most: The man who died because an inexperienced nurse unplugged his ventilator. The patient who died from septic shock because no one monitored his vital signs. The people whose breathing tubes clogged after being abandoned in their hospital beds for hours on end.

    In Mexico, it's not just the coronavirus that is claiming lives. The country's broken health system is killing people as well.

    Years of neglect had already hobbled Mexico's health care system, leaving it dangerously short of doctors, nurses and equipment to fight a virus that has overwhelmed far richer nations..

  4. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by BodyAnybody  [View Original Post]
    Admin2 posted this link in another thread.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

    The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.
    BodyAnyBody: Did you even read the material from the thread you provided / posted?

    Where exactly from the CDC website did you get the 0.004% rate that you assert?

  5. #221

    NYT: 'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers

    'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers.

    Years of neglect have hobbled many Mexican hospitals. Now, as the pandemic strikes, some patients are dying from neglect or from mistakes that are easily prevented, doctors and nurses say.

    By Natalie Kitroeff and Paulina Villegas May 28,2020 Updated 9:36 am ET.

    The senseless deaths torment doctors and nurses the most: The man who died because an inexperienced nurse unplugged his ventilator. The patient who died from septic shock because no one monitored his vital signs. The people whose breathing tubes clogged after being abandoned in their hospital beds for hours on end.

    In Mexico, it's not just the coronavirus that is claiming lives. The country's broken health system is killing people as well.

    Years of neglect had already hobbled Mexico's health care system, leaving it dangerously short of doctors, nurses and equipment to fight a virus that has overwhelmed far richer nations.

    Now, the pandemic is making matters much worse, sickening more than 11,000 Mexican health workers — one of the highest rates in the world — and depleting the already thin ranks in hospitals. Some hospitals have lost half their staff to illness and absenteeism. Others are running low on basic equipment, like heart monitors.

    The shortages have had devastating consequences for patients, according to interviews with health workers across the country. Several doctors and nurses recounted dozens of preventable deaths in hospitals — the result of neglect or mistakes that never should have happened.

    "We have had many of what we call 'dumb deaths, said Pablo Villaseñor, a doctor at the General Hospital in Tijuana, the center of an outbreak. "It's not the virus that is killing them. It's the lack of proper care."

    Patients die because they're given the wrong medications, or the wrong dose, health workers say. The protective gloves at some hospitals are so old that they crack the moment they're slipped on, nurses say. People are often not sedated properly, then wake up and yank out their own breathing tubes, hospital employees say.

    Adriana de la Cruz, a nurse at Dr. Belisario Domínguez hospital in the southeast corner of Mexico City, said the overstretched and often undertrained work force has made glaring errors — at great cost.

    "People have died because of a lack of medical attention and because of negligence," said Ms. De la Cruz. "These patients would have a better chance of surviving if we could offer better care."

    The Mexican government spends less on health care as a percent of its economy than most countries in the Western Hemisphere, according to the World Bank, and President Andrés Manuel López Obrador presided over spending cuts even after acknowledging his country had 200,000 fewer health care workers than it needed.

    When the epidemic hit Mexico in March, many hospitals sent front-line workers to confront the deluge of cases without any protective equipment or training. Some nurses say they were told not to wear masks to avoid causing panic. Many say they were forced to buy face shields and goggles themselves.

    The fallout has been severe. About one in five confirmed cases in Mexico are health workers — a greater share than in the United States, Italy or China.

    Mexico's outbreak is growing quickly and shows no signs of slowing. Reported cases and deaths have risen every week for the last couple of months, hitting Mexico City and Baja California, which includes Tijuana, particularly hard.

    After a Times analysis found evidence that federal authorities were underreporting fatalities, a top federal health official publicly conceded that the government does not have an accurate count of deaths caused by the virus.

    At Dr. Villaseñor's hospital, there are so few doctors left that during some shifts, critically-ill patients are going eight hours without anyone checking on them, he said.

    "You hear of one patient dying because he didn't get the proper care — and then another one and another one — and you try not to become paralyzed," added Dr. Villaseñor, a rheumatologist who said he had to learn how to suit up to treat coronavirus patients by watching a video on YouTube.

    As Mexico's population grew during the last decade, the government kept hospital funding low, devoting less than 3 percent of its national output to health care. World Bank data shows that by 2017, well before Mr. López Obrador took office, only two countries in Central and South America spent less on health than Mexico as a share of their economies: Guatemala and Venezuela.

    "Administration after administration gave lip service to the issue of health, but it never showed up as a priority in the budget," Judith Méndez, an analyst at the Economic and Budgetary Research Center, said of Mexico's successive governments.

    The Mexican government did not respond to repeated requests for comment. Local health ministers in Baja California and Mexico City also declined to comment.

    Patients have filed thousands of complaints with the country's human rights commission about negligence in hospitals in recent years. And the quality of care only diminished further after hospital workers in Mexico endured some of the nation's first coronavirus outbreaks.

    Many countries have struggled with doctors and nurses falling ill, but in Mexico the problem is particularly bad. The government's data suggests around one in five confirmed coronavirus cases in the country are health workers.

    "If health workers are getting sick at this rate, bottom line is you risk not having a health work force to look after people," said Howard Catton, the chief executive of the International Council of Nurses. Ms. De la Cruz, the nurse in Mexico City, said that her hospital initially instructed employees not to wear masks around a patient until the person tested positive for coronavirus.

    "You waited three or four days to see if the patient tested positive, and in the meantime you got infected," said Ms. De la Cruz, who noted that 80 of her colleagues have gotten sick.

    Some hospitals did prepare early for the virus, which swept the United States and Europe before outbreaks flared in Mexico. In Monterrey, doctors said protocols to shield workers were put in place months ago. Rodolfo Ruiz, an infectious disease specialist, says he feels protected at his public hospital in Mexicali, even as hospital beds fill up.

    But the missteps in some of the hardest hit cities have brought overrun hospitals to a breaking point, workers say. Doctors and nurses have staged protests outside their hospitals in at least a dozen states, according to local news reports. Some doctors and nurses have refused to treat coronavirus patients.

    Rosario Luna, a nurse at the José María Morelos and Pavón hospital in Mexico City, described treating Covid-19 patients with broken heart monitors and faulty suction machines.

    At Dr. Carlos Mac Gregor hospital in Mexico City, Berenice Andrade, a doctor, said that one internist quit because of the lack of personnel and that only one doctor watched over 54 patients during the weekends.

    "It makes the care we offer very deficient," said Dr. Andrade. "The patient's health is of course affected. ".

    Five health workers have died at La Raza Medical Center, a public hospital complex in Mexico City, according to a spokesman for the federal health system. This month, one of the hospitals started offering psychological support to workers.

    "It's not easy knowing that one day you were working with someone and the next, they aren't there anymore," said Ivette theíaz, an intensive care nurse, who is 37 and lives with her elderly parents. "I'm scared every day. My alarm goes off and I don't want to go to work. ".

    The hospital has never had enough supplies, she said. Bandages don't stick to patients because they've lost their adhesive. But after her colleagues blocked roads leading into the hospital last month, executives began providing more protective equipment. Still, the masks that they gave out were perforated, because of a manufacturing flaw, Ms. Theíaz said.

    "If here in Mexico they invested in the health sector, if we had adequate materials, things would look very different," she said.

    She spent her day off recently scouring the streets of her neighborhood until she found a local vendor to sell her a batch of masks. She paid $7 for each, a small price for a mask free of holes, she decided.

  6. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by BodyAnybody  [View Original Post]
    Admin2 posted this link in another thread.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

    The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.
    Your link does not support your assertion of a fatality rate of 0.004%.

    Instead the most prominent text displayed by your link is a big boldfaced "OOPS- Page not found".

    Here is a useful link to Oxford Martin on mortality rates:https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-compared-to-other-diseases.

    Mortality risk of COVID-19.

    The mortality risk of COVID-19 is the likelihood that someone who catches the disease will die from it.

    10.5% of people with a cardiovascular disease who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.

    7.3% of people with diabetes who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.

    6% of people with Hypertension (high blood pressure) who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.

    0. 9% of people with no health conditions died. (I believe these are global / worldwide figures).

    So if you were looking at one million otherwise healthy people that contacted COVID-19, it would be expected that 9,000 of them would die.

    If the mortality rate was only 0. 004% (I wish) instead the more correct 0. 9% mortality rate, then in one million healthy people that contacted COVID-19, only 40 of them would die.

  7. #219

    New covid-19 numbers from the CDC

    Admin2 posted this link in another thread.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

    The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.

  8. #218

    Wear mask

    Wonder if the Paraditas would charge extra if you wanted them to wear a mask.

    They would look very cute wearing one.

    Goyo.

  9. #217

    CoVid-19 Baja

    Baja has 3,000 confirmed cases with 518 deaths and rising. The infection is not pealing yet.

    Due to lack of monitoring and shoddy accounting, the numbers are estimated 10 x official figures.

    Baja California Covid-19 Confirmed 3,040 Recovered 2,118 Deaths 518.

    https://www.google.com/search?source...CQBA&q=tijuana+covid+19+cases&oq=tijuana+covid&gs_lcp=CgZwc3 ktYWIQARgAMgUIABCDATIFCAAQgwEyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoOCAAQ6 gIQtAIQmgEQ5 QJQ8 EpYzmNg_XloAnAAeACAAUWIAdsGkgECMTOYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3 Mtd2 l6 sAEG&sclient=psy-ab.

  10. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.

    Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.

    Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mur...st-u-s-cities/

    1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.

    2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.

    3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.

    4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.

    5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.

    To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.

    That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.
    And meanwhile, infection rates are probably much much higher, and hospitals are over reporting covid deaths. In retrospect, I believe that we are going to find that the shutdown was an overreaction.

    I know it won't happen, but some politicians should be locked up for civil rights violations.

  11. #215

    Tijuana's uncounted CoVid19 deaths

    Tijauna 's official deaths is 392 to date, but they have not been counting people who died with same symptoms at homes or in ambulances.

    By using data from emergency calls, the Red Cross estimated true death count is about 12 x officials count, or 4,702 to date and rising, among 2. 14 mil population. That's 220 deaths per 100 K or 1 death in 455 residents, about 7 x death rate in US, about 1 in 3,500.

    There is a little bit of good news: the death count has gone down this week per Red Cross. We don't know how much it went down, but it shows Tijuana has gone over the peak infection last week.
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  12. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.

    Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.

    Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mur...st-u-s-cities/

    1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.

    2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.

    3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.

    4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.

    5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.

    To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.

    That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.
    I don't worry about coronavirus. I took a day trip into Manhattan to see if it could get me. It felt like tijuana, one false move, touch a park bench without a glove, stand to close to someone, maybe it spreads on the subway in the air and you never see it comming, reminds me alot of the dangers of tijuana if you go wandering more than 6 feet from Hong kongs front door.

  13. #213

    US CoVid-19 death rate to date vs. Murder rates per 100 K 2018

    The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.

    Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.

    Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mur...st-u-s-cities/

    1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.

    2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.

    3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.

    4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.

    5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.

    To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.

    That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.

  14. #212

    HCQ available at Costco or Piri's Farmacias. . .

    Went by Farmacia Similares to buy more HCQ this morning but the clerk checked her computer and said they were all sold out. She said that Costco would have it in stock. Stopped by Piri's to get some eye drops and asked if they had any HCQ in stock and they did. Piri's Farmacia has a box of HCQ for around 650 pesos for those who want a backup box if they feel like they are coming down with the Wuflu. . . Remember to buy some zinc picolinate as it may not work to reduce the Wuflu severity without the zinc. Read up on the recommended protocols from the Indian Ministry of Health Council or the Eastern Virgina Medical School protocol for HCQ. . .

  15. #211

    25 x confirmed cases, More than one million people infected with covid-19 in Mexico

    More than one million people infected with covid-19 in Mexico.

    By Yucatan Times on May 15,2020.

    https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2020...-19-in-mexico/

    For every confirmed case, there can be 25 more Covid-19 infections; carriers of the virus can make thousands sick, specialists warn.

    MEXICO (El Universal) – Mexican scientists specializing in mathematics, statistics, and infectious diseases warned that there could be up to 25 times more cases of Covid-19 in the country than those confirmed by laboratory tests. This would mean between 881,000 and 1. 27 million people infected, many without symptoms but with the capacity to infect.

    The data come from estimates made by scientists consulted by EL UNIVERSAL. Alejandro Macias, considered the expert on the H1 N1 epidemic in 2009, when he was the National Commissioner for the Prevention and Control of the SSA, explained that until laboratory tests are carried out to look for antibodies in people's blood, as was done in New York, it will not be known precisely how many people were infected with Covid-19.

    However, he believed that because of the size of the disease and its spread, there are currently more than 1 million people in the country infected with Covid-19.

    "In Mexico, we are unlikely to have less than 1% of people infected with coronavirus of the national population. I don't think it will be less and hopefully many more so that many will have antibodies. If we are 127 million people, at least 1. 27 million could have already been infected in Mexico. That figure may cause some commotion, but if I say that 1 percent of the population is already infected, no one is surprised. It is the same," the specialist added.

    Arturo Erdely Ruiz, an academic from the Acatláand School of Higher Studies (FES), with level 1 membership in the National System of Researchers and a Ph. The. In Mathematics, calculated that the disease might be 23 times larger than what we know from the most recent estimate data published by the SSA on May 3.

    The data is obtained by applying an expansion factor of 23 times, which means how many patients there may be for each case confirmed through laboratory testing. The estimated cases positive to Covid-19 are divided by the accumulated number of confirmed cases up to the moment this estimate was made.

    By applying this expansion factor, also called the multiplication factor, to the 38,324 cases of Covid-19 reported by the Health Secretariat on Tuesday, the estimate is that 881,452 infected people in the country. Most may be carriers of the virus but may not have developed symptoms, which does not prevent them from being infected.

    "That factor was initially at 31.3 times as of April 8 but had been dropping. The last time I estimated it with the information they gave until May 3, it is estimated to be around 23 times. That's the ratio we can have between confirmed and estimated cases. Of the expected cases, the majority are mild, the minority are the serious ones that arrive at the hospitals," the expert explained to EL UNIVERSAL.

    On May 3, the SSA said 104,562 people in the country tested positive for Covid-19, according to information obtained from the Sentinel epidemiological surveillance model. This system is a kind of survey applied by the federal government to identify cases of coronavirus in 475 health monitoring units of respiratory disease. Its objective is to collect useful quality data instead of large amounts of information but of poor quality.

    By dividing the 104,562 estimated cases by 4,524 confirmed instances at that time, Erdely's multiplication factor was 23 Covid-19 estimates for each positive.

    "For Mexico, I estimate as of Tuesday, with the factor I have been proposing, that we will have about 900,000 people infected, estimated total cases. There's no need to panic. These are mild cases, some have already been cured. We are talking about the total number of infected people in Mexico that will close the year with 1. 8 million," said the mathematician.

    The expansion factor can vary according to the evolution of the epidemic. Still, the SSA removed from its daily reports the data that allowed scientists to make these estimates with greater precision.

    Gustavo Cruz, a member of the Institute of Applied Mathematics and Systems Research (IIMAS), explained to EL UNIVERSAL there is a sub-accounting in the number of cases, but this is a reality that occurs worldwide, where the expansion or multiplication factor of cases has reached up to 50%, which can also occur in Mexico.

    "We calculate the expansion factor for the number of infected people between 50 and 80, but I insist that the number is vast because it includes people who are infected and who will never have symptoms, never realizing they had the disease," he said. "The numbers that governments get are only from the people who come to health services. For every one of these, there are about 50 who never make it to the health service and are still infecting. This is an estimate we made at the beginning of the epidemic in China and other Asian countries," he explained.

    Since April 8, the SSA announced that more people in the country are infected than can be confirmed by PCR laboratory tests. Applying a multiplication factor of 8. 4 times, it estimated the existence of 26,519 cases, even though only 3,181 had been established with tests.

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