Seeking Arrangements

[Ggekko2009]

Don't want to digress into STD discusd again but closing the loop. I did self test thru Mail at Let's Get Checked. The process was easy tho gathering a full vial of blood from your ring finger is a pain. Anyhow. Tested negative for the big 5. So that's just a nice reassurance.

Same here. Clean bill of health. Except that I did it in one of the lab in Bogota. I am doing it to reassure the girls that I am clean.

Their process are more thorough though and actually will not release the result until you get a Teleconsultation with one of their medical professional online. May have to do with their stricter privacy law perhaps. They even provided an English speaking medical professional to talk to you for the consultation.

[Steve 9696]

Don't want to digress into STD discusd again but closing the loop. I did self test thru Mail at Let's Get Checked. The process was easy tho gathering a full vial of blood from your ring finger is a pain. Anyhow. Tested negative for the big 5. So that's just a nice reassurance.

[Elvis 2008]

Great post, as I said, I usually do the opposite of most of the guys on the MDE or CDMX page. Especially the guys on MDE page, they are just completely wrong. Along with your list, they brush over the drug issues and violence, like it is not an problem.

In both cities, the guys promoting the women are hanging in the slums and paying small $ for women, and they are convinced no one is doing better than them and are threatened if anyone suggests they are.

I would never go back to MDE the place is horrible, but I do believe you and couple of guys that I respect that Bogota is a much better option. I am having so much fun in CDMX and meeting quality / beautiful girls, no reason to change. I am heading back tomorrow. At the end I was basically meeting 6/7's in MTY. At the beginning of Covid I had met sone 8-9's, but that was not the case at the end.

CDMX has Bogota beat when it comes to fun, food, and climate. The reason to go to Bogota is the average woman is better looking than CDMX but there are hotties in CDMX. The reason I focused on Colombia was the response rate to PMs was so much higher. I had 3 X the responses, and it did not hurt that the women were happy with less. If you are a working guy though, it is much harder time commitment wise.

As I have gotten to know my gal, I fell first for the looks, then the sex, then the personality, and finally the character. She got pregnant in her early 20's, turns out the father was a complete violent druggie, and she got a restraining order on him. She tried dating and thinks all Colombian men are the same macho pigs she first dealt with. Her father cheated on her mother, and her brother has children by two different women.

Her mother tried to take her kid so she cut herself off from her family and paid for everything herself. She told me her day consisted of exercising in the morning, dropping her kid off at school, going to work, and then exercising at night. This was her life for 12 years. We joke about some women being super women but she really was. And you saw what she looked like, DF, if she wanted to sell herself she could get top $. I asked her what she did for sex because she likes it so much and she said that she had her toys.

Thing is Covid happens, and her kid no longer is in school. She cannot work out at the gym, and she has paid leave from work. So she is lonely and rethinks having a man in her life. One of her friends went on seeking and married a Spaniard, so she was hopeful that she would get a guy she could date, have as a BF, and marry from seeking. She was never about the money and has only asked me twice for money in a year and a half.

Fortunately for me, I met her right after the travel ban and stupid me never even thought it was possible that a girl that hot could be on seeking would want a BF and not money. It took me a while to accept that this woman really liked me for me. But once I had reeled her in, I knew she would be loyal. It turns out she never really had a BF outside of the violent baby daddy, and she had never been in love.

So there are women out there on seeking who are looking for more than money, but the asshole "experts" on forums like Medellin do not get that. They call all the seeking women hos. Now I know that is just because they do not want anyone to be doing better than them, but it is important that guys here disregard them.

I recall seeing two other 10 types like my gal when I was in South America. I met a Bolivian banker who was stunning, smart, and sweet but taken and a Colombian financial secretary who was Victoria Secret dimensions and who could not have been nicer, so they are there. When my female friend said my gal is too good for me, she had a point, but what I would tell her is that I did the work to find somebody like my gal. I went on 100's of dates, and I was also kind of tired of the chase.

The chase was not paying off. When you get a big rolodex, it is hard to beat what you have in hand already. The other part was the chase was lonely. There were too many times when I had great sex and the girl then slumped off like a stranger. I hated that. On the other hand, I have learned to love the times when my gal texts me Hello, or good morning or is waiting for me in the airport and gives me that huge hug and kiss and special smile when she sees me. I have been asking myself which feels better, that hug and kiss or sex with a new stranger? I think that look, hug, and kiss are way under rated.

And I guess if I am being honest, I can say that I knew for certain that it was not possible that I was not going to do better than her.

So I think my gal is the top 1% of the top 1%, and I think DF you want that too. The problem with Mexico is that the top, top end is ruled by Mexicans, and the rich Mexicans have a ton of money. I went to a high end strip club in Monterrey and there were oil guys just forking out the dough, and the women, who were as hot as they come, would not even look at me. My point is if you are just wanting to meet women and have fun then for sure CDMX has got it going on, but if you want to meet the top, top women, I don't think you are going to find it there. Colombia, Argentina, and Brazil by and large have men with less money and poor attitudes and IMO you have a chance at the top, top women there. Of course, you have to got to do the work and go out on a lot of dates to find that unicorn. I know you will spend the money and do the work, but it is not easy finding a gal like I have, and luck is involved too. Hell without Covid, we never would have met.

[Akibono]

So true. These guys get upset if you do choose there girls or do not listen to their ridiculous advise. Also, they are the first to ask for your girls contact information, why would I do this for someone I have never met. I work hard at building rapport with these girls and many I would consider are close friends. This is the last thing I would do. Also, the minute you disagree or call them out, they cry foul and complain.

Additionally, Some of these guys get off posting pictures of girls, again I would never do this. At a minimum they should black out there faces, but they are trying to look cool to there friends that do the same dumb thing. I would never ask any of these guys for help or advice.

I call those folks Cheap Charlies. They exist in most forums. Mongering is not cheap, but if you are successful, you can afford it. It may cost you plenty if you get caught. The cheap folks settle for what they can get. Free is always good for them. They waste days thinking their guile gets them the girl. I find that quality costs, but it is worth it. The question is if you can afford it. If you are a rich guy, wouldn't you want the girl to have a good time? She will surely show her appreciation. It is the working girl that worries about being paid. However, there is no need to pay stupid prices. A certain percentage will be duds, but the magical encounters are worth it. I always remember the ones I wish I had one more time with.

[DramaFree11]

The CDMX and Medellin forums are probably the worst. I like to keep abreast of what is going on in Colombia so I read them, but at one point, I got frustrated and made this post.

There is a culture on the Medellin forum, and you are asking for consistency in the results. And here is what the rules are:

1. All women are working girls.

2. The only thing women want us for is money.

3. Anyone sending any money to a Colombian woman for any reason is a sucker.

4. They want to spend time with their novios (boyfriends) not you.

5. The women in centro are as fine as anywhere else.

6. All Colombian women are scammers. A Colombian lawyer or doctor is just as likely to use scopolamine on you as a street girl.

7. Because the women really want to be with their novios, dress like a Colombian. You get better prices that way.

8. Anything over $15 or 60,000 COP and you massively overpaid.

9. All women are in equal demand.

10. All women in Medellin are equally beautiful and good in bed so paying more for one makes no sense.

One thing I can assure you of is that if you follow these rules you will be hugely disappointed and be fucking fat and ugly women which I guess is the point. The guys who cement this culture do not want anyone doing better than them.

Maybe it is because of the drug trade in the past, but Medellin certainly has more of a ho culture than other Colombian cities. That said, I met women there who knew about the ho culture and went out of their way to prove they were not part of it.

But anyone who wants a great time and to fuck truly beautiful and great performing women, you had best throw those 10 rules in the trash.

End.

Funny thing is this is from one one of the guys I was talking about.

This is typical writing on the Medellin forum. A guy trashes me and then agrees with much of what I wrote. LOL.

One weird / nice thing about Colombia is that the cities are rated on their wealth, and the rich ones pay higher taxes. And if you are looking for an arrangement, IMO it makes sense to focus on the women from nicer neighborhoods where long term means years not tomorrow.

All the "experts" on the Medellin forum are chasing women from an American neighborhood like Watts, Harlem, or the South side of Chicago. Not only do the guys on the forum not believe such women are available from the nicer places in Colombia, they call anyone a liar who believes they exist. Admitting that would knock them from their pedestal of being Colombia experts. That is why it is best to just shrug them off and ignore them if you are using seeking.

Great post, as I said, I usually do the opposite of most of the guys on the MDE or CDMX page. Especially the guys on MDE page, they are just completely wrong. Along with your list, they brush over the drug issues and violence, like it is not an problem.

I would never go back to MDE the place is horrible, but I do believe you and couple of guys that I respect that Bogota is a much better option. I am having so much fun in CDMX and meeting quality / beautiful girls, no reason to change. I am heading back tomorrow. At the end I was basically meeting 6/7's in MTY. At the beginning of Covid I had met sone 8-9's, but that was not the case at the end.

CDMX has so many opportunities and so much fun. Also, where I stay I can walk almost everywhere, another plus. Most of the girls I meet are college educated and can speak basic English. I guarantee you will not get this with street girls.

[HarvestBoi]

As far as Quebecois sexual attitudes, I will make a historical observation that most everyone will understand. Both Quebec and Brazil were initially colonized by French and Portuguese men respectively without European women.

I remember AltoBomGusto (may God rest his soul) one night in São Paulo giving me a long history lesson about sex in Brazil with a similar rationale. Catholicism also has the sacrament of confession, where you can be absolved of your sins but Protestants have to carry that shit around for eternity. Catholics have a history twice as long too, so they have more practical experience with sins of the flesh (food and drink too). Protestants equate temperance, one of the ancient virtues with abstinence.

Hb.

[DramaFree11]

This made me laugh because it's so true.

Without mentioning any specific city, there are a few guys spread across ISG who try to gaslight other members into thinking their vastly overpaying. We're not going to the right venues where the "locals" or frequent visitors know to go. Or we don't know how to negotiate.

I've literally seen newer members get intimidated and stop posting. One situation was a thoughtful new member actually "rode shotgun" with a local in-country. He posted that he was a bit underwhelmed with the talent he found elsewhere in the city. Needless to say, this guy unfortunately became a target for abuse.

I might be a stupid gringo, but I think "cream rises to the top". The hotter girls even in less developed countries charge more and / or wind up in venues where there's a premium.

So true. These guys get upset if you do choose there girls or do not listen to their ridiculous advise. Also, they are the first to ask for your girls contact information, why would I do this for someone I have never met. I work hard at building rapport with these girls and many I would consider are close friends. This is the last thing I would do. Also, the minute you disagree or call them out, they cry foul and complain.

Additionally, Some of these guys get off posting pictures of girls, again I would never do this. At a minimum they should black out there faces, but they are trying to look cool to there friends that do the same dumb thing. I would never ask any of these guys for help or advice.

[WyattEarp]

Thing is that you have USA prices in British Colombia but they go down the further you head East. I would not bother with anywhere but Toronto or Montreal then. Where I was getting the hits though was Montreal. Thing is they are escort agencies like Vogue, EscortsXO, and Euporia girls where you have stunningly beautiful women going for like $160 to $180 USA for an hour. Given that rate and there not being as much negative stigma with selling yourself for sex, I had several responses when I sent PMs to women in Montreal even very attractive ones. Thing is I was doing so well with the escorts I did not invest the time into SA at that point. It was not just the quality but when you go these agencies, you see dozens of stunning women, so the quantity is there as well.

Also, and this is just my opinion and you can take it for what it is worth, the women of Quebec are mostly of French origin and Catholic, and I saw more of that traditional female role in the women there which makes for a better sugar baby IMO. The women in Toronto are a melting pot from all over the world but the native Canadian women were cut from the same feminist thread as most American women. And this is women of protestant origin I guess. I felt a sense of tension with these women like they hated themselves for being escorts of sugar babies whereas the women of Quebec were pretty much always upbeat.

It is funny when you look at it that way. All the best mongering countries I have been to (Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia) are mostly Catholic. It looks like the only country and religion that can compete is Thailand and Buddhism. I never asked about religion when interviewing a SB. Maybe I should have. He he.

The Canadian mongering scene is quite robust, but venues like massage parlors are still subtle about what's on offer. I've met some beautiful white Canadian escorts who were good performers. I really have no preference in seeking white women. I've done my tours of Asia and Latin America. It just seemed right for me to seek out a different type of woman. Anyway, you can find any type of women in Canada particularly Toronto. Toronto also has some very fine black providers. Several who seem to have Caribbean roots.

As far as escort prices, Montreal has inched up a bit since COVID so that range might be more USA dollars 185-200. Toronto is more expensive with some of the top agency girls topping out at USA dollars 230. The top independents can push into an even higher level.

If we use Steve's benchmark of sugar babies pricing out at about what an escort costs, Canadian dollars 300 should be a good place to start in Montreal. I don't know for sure if that price works. You probably will get some push back in Toronto. As it so happens on ISG, some of the Seeking posts spill into the city forums. An ISG gent recently tried Seeking in Montreal. He had a great long date, but he got a distinct "pro" vibe. That can happen. In the end, he seemed to simply be happy with the Montreal "pro" scene.

You make an interesting point about mongering and Catholic cultures. It might be due to the relative income levels in Latin America. And yes, I've heard that French-Canadian women assume a more traditional role. Having been to Canada several times, in my opinion the mongering scene and its acceptance resembles Northern Europe. Montreal might have more liberal attitudes when it comes to sex, but I have met escorts originating from all over Canada. As you move into the Western provinces, you start to see that frontier libertarianism.

As far as Quebecois sexual attitudes, I will make a historical observation that most everyone will understand. Both Quebec and Brazil were initially colonized by French and Portuguese men respectively without European women.

[Elvis 2008]

Would these be incall or outcall rates? In any case, these are not too bad and it will be much better if it is priced in CAD. It is definitely an option especially if they provide the GF experience. Of course, the only thing that could potentially separate out professional escorts and SA girls are the BB treatment. I would be too chicken to ever do BB with the pros.

Canadian rate is 200 to 250 but looks like most now are charging the higher end.

https://www.escortsxo.com/models

https://www.euphoriagirls.com/models

https://www.vogue-escorts.com/ladies/#_escort-ladies.

Incall and outcall are available but it depends on the agency and the girl.

Agency girls were pretty stuck on protection as you can imagine.

[Ggekko2009]

Thing is that you have USA prices in British Colombia but they go down the further you head East. I would not bother with anywhere but Toronto or Montreal then. Where I was getting the hits though was Montreal. Thing is they are escort agencies like Vogue, EscortsXO, and Euporia girls where you have stunningly beautiful women going for like $160 to $180 USA for an hour. Given that rate and there not being as much negative stigma with selling yourself for sex, I had several responses when I sent PMs to women in Montreal even very attractive ones. Thing is I was doing so well with the escorts I did not invest the time into SA at that point. It was not just the quality but when you go these agencies, you see dozens of stunning women, so the quantity is there as well.

Would these be incall or outcall rates? In any case, these are not too bad and it will be much better if it is priced in CAD. It is definitely an option especially if they provide the GF experience. Of course, the only thing that could potentially separate out professional escorts and SA girls are the BB treatment. I would be too chicken to ever do BB with the pros.

[WyattEarp]

This actually turns out to be better. They stick to their own playground and I stay in my own play area without the need of any extra competition I guess. That's why I never want to discuss pricing in that forum since there are many egos at play. I do what I like that makes me happy.

This made me laugh because it's so true.

Without mentioning any specific city, there are a few guys spread across ISG who try to gaslight other members into thinking their vastly overpaying. We're not going to the right venues where the "locals" or frequent visitors know to go. Or we don't know how to negotiate.

I've literally seen newer members get intimidated and stop posting. One situation was a thoughtful new member actually "rode shotgun" with a local in-country. He posted that he was a bit underwhelmed with the talent he found elsewhere in the city. Needless to say, this guy unfortunately became a target for abuse.

I might be a stupid gringo, but I think "cream rises to the top". The hotter girls even in less developed countries charge more and / or wind up in venues where there's a premium.

[Elvis 2008]

I would not listen to most of the guys on the Colombian page, most are very cheap and just angry dudes, in fact I would probably do the opposite. Same with some of the guys on CDMX, they are just jealous because you are not using there girls, and having more fun, but they claim they get no compensation. Do what makes you happy, do not listen to the haters.

The CDMX and Medellin forums are probably the worst. I like to keep abreast of what is going on in Colombia so I read them, but at one point, I got frustrated and made this post.

There is a culture on the Medellin forum, and you are asking for consistency in the results. And here is what the rules are:

1. All women are working girls.

2. The only thing women want us for is money.

3. Anyone sending any money to a Colombian woman for any reason is a sucker.

4. They want to spend time with their novios (boyfriends) not you.

5. The women in centro are as fine as anywhere else.

6. All Colombian women are scammers. A Colombian lawyer or doctor is just as likely to use scopolamine on you as a street girl.

7. Because the women really want to be with their novios, dress like a Colombian. You get better prices that way.

8. Anything over $15 or 60,000 COP and you massively overpaid.

9. All women are in equal demand.

10. All women in Medellin are equally beautiful and good in bed so paying more for one makes no sense.

One thing I can assure you of is that if you follow these rules you will be hugely disappointed and be fucking fat and ugly women which I guess is the point. The guys who cement this culture do not want anyone doing better than them.

Maybe it is because of the drug trade in the past, but Medellin certainly has more of a ho culture than other Colombian cities. That said, I met women there who knew about the ho culture and went out of their way to prove they were not part of it.

But anyone who wants a great time and to fuck truly beautiful and great performing women, you had best throw those 10 rules in the trash.

End.

Funny thing is this is from one one of the guys I was talking about.

Elvis had a list of straw men going and you took up the mantle. There's really no basis for pride in paying hookers, though hopefully one enjoys themselves. What I do is find casa and Centro strip club girls, enjoy them there, then ones I especially like I invite to a nice love motel in Laureles. And I'll say for the 1001st time, the Centro casa and strip club girls are from the same handful of lower tier neighborhoods as your "higher end" providers. It's all perception, maybe some nicer clothes for the latter but at the end of the day they are all the same. As to the bragging, I mostly see that from the guys paying more who think they have game, think they have a girlfriend, think it's smart to send Western Unions, think their girls are seeing fewer guys than most, whatever. It's your fantasy. Enjoy it.

This is typical writing on the Medellin forum. A guy trashes me and then agrees with much of what I wrote. LOL.

One weird / nice thing about Colombia is that the cities are rated on their wealth, and the rich ones pay higher taxes. And if you are looking for an arrangement, IMO it makes sense to focus on the women from nicer neighborhoods where long term means years not tomorrow.

All the "experts" on the Medellin forum are chasing women from an American neighborhood like Watts, Harlem, or the South side of Chicago. Not only do the guys on the forum not believe such women are available from the nicer places in Colombia, they call anyone a liar who believes they exist. Admitting that would knock them from their pedestal of being Colombia experts. That is why it is best to just shrug them off and ignore them if you are using seeking.

[Ggekko2009]

I would not listen to most of the guys on the Colombian page, most are very cheap and just angry dudes, in fact I would probably do the opposite.

Do what makes you happy, do not listen to the haters.

This actually turns out to be better. They stick to their own playground and I stay in my own play area without the need of any extra competition I guess. That's why I never want to discuss pricing in that forum since there are many egos at play. I do what I like that makes me happy.

Currently enjoying all these SA girls in Bogota. Time and energy are probably something that I might not have enough of.

[Midwestern]

Canada is interesting. Which cities would you suggest, though I reckon their ppm will not come cheap.

Try Niagara Falls and surrounding area. I was surprised at how active SA is there. Lots of hourly workers there, working in the tourism industry, and always looking for ways to make some extra cash.

[Midwestern]

So was in SFO and Sonoma this week and tried SA. Got some decent leads and a few wanted to meet. They made it very clear it was $800-1 K per meet. The lowest was at $500 and she was so DTF. The high priced girls were hot 8. 5-9. 0 but didn't want to chance it.

The $500 girl was a 6. 5-7 in real life. I was not attracted to her, but she made me horny with our conversation and drinking. So I brought her back to the room. 2 rounds, CIP both and face fuck between. She wanted to stay the whole night but I asked her to leave after 3 hrs. She was 40 yr, listed at 28, looked 40 in real life. She told me she was recently laid off and divorced, who knows. I believe it, because was intelligent and well dressed.

Didn't have time for more because of work. I think a hot escort would have been better.

I was most active on SA while I was living and working in SF. And yeah, there are lots of divorced women on there. They are struggling to pay their crazy high rent in the SF Bay area. I actually liked most of them. It was a nice change of pace. I found most divorced women to provde good GFE.

But SF is a craxy scene for SA. When I finally got to meet some of the SBs on there, they always told me that they get hundreds of messages a day on SA, and I believed them, given how active SA is in SF. The SDs don't have much of the upper hand.

I am curious if the AMP scene and the red light district scene are still active. I used to go to the AMPS about 3 times per week. Quality was really good.