Seeking Arrangements

[LshRoomer]

Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5.

PPS To be full disclosure I have had an additional 3 where the meetup happened so not a flake but the sex did not. Only one was a true fail where we had mad chemistry and she balked in the room. The other two were early in my journey. One the wrong age range snd a breakfast meet and one that I woulda closed without batting an eye if it was today.

My formula from the school of hard knocks is simple Age 22-26, heavy girlfriend level texting, meetup for dinner and close with sex same night. Never lunch or breakfast. Never just a meet and greet. Always dinner and sex after.

I did notice something very odd in Phoenix. The girls that I landed had a decent sized age spread. They went from 19 - 45 with the average age about 28. I actually assumed that dealing with an older SB might make the dealings more solid (less flaky). I intentionally didn't text them too hard during the time that I was away in order not to seem like a bullshitter. That may have backfired a bit, as it took away that boyfriend prep feeling that Steve talked about. I agree that the heavy texting works to get them accustomed to the idea of you and at that point, a date feels a bit more normal.

Phoenix was bad, but screw it, it's all part of it. Some you bang, some you don't. My flake rate was abnormally high, but maybe the stars just didn't align or something. I used a different tactic this time as well, which I think probably put too much time between pulling them off of SA and actually meeting them in person. Usually that process takes about 10 days. You are fresh, they like you, and they are willing to meet. In this case, it was more than 30 days and even with texting, things probably just got stale. Lessons learned.

I don't mind scheduling 2 girls on the same night. I did 4 in this case because I saw the flake happening before I even landed. LOL.

Two girls at different times in one night gives me options to potentially call an audible if things are just not going well. The good thing is that I haven't had many girls that I didn't' click with once we hung out. I'm prepping to hit Madrid again in 2 weeks and I have one super solid SB that I've already banged, so I'll cement the relationship a bit more. The italian girl has been very responsive, so I need to officially meet her (I'm surprised she kept in contact this long). She told me that she moved to Madrid (instead of the outskirts), so she has more time now. I'm looking forward to adding her to my list, seriously. The heavy texting will begin in about a week or so and we'll see what happens.

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[Midwestern]

For the first meet, the flake rate is very high indeed. For me, maybe it was about 80%, with most of them being last minute cancellations. Sometimes they just did not show up, but that was kind of rare. Some would cancel well in advance, but that was also rare.

I won't go into all the reasons why the flaking happens, but just expect it.

Therefore, (1) don't book a hotel room in advance on a first date, and (2) have a backup plan.

I don't know how many times I drove over an hour for a first date, only to be flaked on and then stuck with a paid-for hotel room.

Eventually, I chose meeting places that I wanted to check out anyway. So, when the date flaked, I at least got to check out a new bar or new neighborhood.

Also, for the first date, I stopped doing dinners. For me, they were hit or miss, and when they were a miss, then I was stuck on a boring date for two painful hours. That said, when the dinner date was going well, it went very well. So, totally hit or miss, and given the misses, I stopped doing dinner dates as a first date.

For the second dates, the flake rate was almost zero for me, and I assume similar for you guys.

As for flying SA girls to meet me somewhere, I only did it twice, and both times they showed up. However, this was only after we were seeing each other. I would never fly a girl into town for a first date. Many girls say they are willing to do that, but I never took the chance.

Anyway, my attitude for first dates with an SA gal was to not have high expectations. You might then ask why I bothered. That is because there were the occassional pleasant surprises, and that made all the time and work worthwhile.

[IndianDom]

Laredo is the best.

Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.

[DramaFree11]

I know u know all this DF but for the Newbies and experimenters

There are lots of pluses for doing dinner and pushing for the SNL (single night lay). Even tho I do it because I've found it most effective I think there are clear reasons it's more effective.

1. Dinner is more relaxed and intimate and romantic.

2. You are both drinking. Beer goggles work both directions.

3. If you let her think overnight then in the light of day this old guy idea might not seem too good. But once you have fucked and she enjoys it and is comfortable w you then you are in for good.

Yep, this is the only way. Once you both relax you can enjoy a great night, who know what might happen.

I had a couple of girls say I have 2 your, for example 1-3 pm. I would reply politely, no. I can only meet for dinner or drinks because of my work schedule.

[Steve 9696]

Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.

I know u know all this DF but for the Newbies and experimenters…

There are lots of pluses for doing dinner and pushing for the SNL (single night lay). Even tho I do it because I've found it most effective I think there are clear reasons it's more effective.

1. Dinner is more relaxed and intimate and romantic.

2. You are both drinking. Beer goggles work both directions.

3. If you let her think overnight then in the light of day this old guy idea might not seem too good. But once you have fucked and she enjoys it and is comfortable w you then you are in for good.

[DramaFree11]

Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5..

Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.

[Steve 9696]

Yes, I agree. M. Boy tends to leave out details and complains a lot. I have talked about my failures many times, so have most of the guys. I do not think anyone says it is easy in the states.

Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5.

PPS To be full disclosure I have had an additional 3 where the meetup happened so not a flake but the sex did not. Only one was a true fail where we had mad chemistry and she balked in the room. The other two were early in my journey. One the wrong age range snd a breakfast meet and one that I woulda closed without batting an eye if it was today.

My formula from the school of hard knocks is simple — Age 22-26, heavy girlfriend level texting, meetup for dinner and close with sex same night. Never lunch or breakfast. Never just a meet and greet. Always dinner and sex after.

[DramaFree11]

I think everyone on here has been honest about how DIFFICULT it is to get a good SA date, especially in the USA. I recently stated this in an earlier report:

"When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs. ".

So, I averaged about one good SB per month. If you are scoring two dates per week, then you are doing better than most of us.

Yes, I agree. M. Boy tends to leave out details and complains a lot. I have talked about my failures many times, so have most of the guys. I do not think anyone says it is easy in the states.

[Midwestern]

I have been flaked on countless number of times, in Medellin, Bogota, Rio, CDMX. I was always wondering how other guys manage to fuck so many girls in a short period of time. I simply can't, even if I wanted to. I consider myself lucky if I score 2 dates per week (even with repeat girls). I rarely see negative reports here, most of them are indeed rainbows and unicorns. Thanks for sharing!

I think everyone on here has been honest about how DIFFICULT it is to get a good SA date, especially in the USA. I recently stated this in an earlier report:

"When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs. ".

So, I averaged about one good SB per month. If you are scoring two dates per week, then you are doing better than most of us.

[Steve 9696]

Damn that is a nice solution. My SB is pushing for earlier times. A cheaper day rate is nice. The problem I have faced is that hotels lack cleaning staff. Thus the room may be available but not cleaned. I guess you have to put up with the looks of the staff since they probably know exactly what is going on. I text my SB the room number and we try not to be seen together.

Oh absolutely the hotel staff have seen it all before. And yes day use rooms kinda have one purpose. LOL. But def get used to some of the side eye particularly in restaurants. Harder for the girl than me because I couldn't give two fucks what some repressed geezer lady thinks. But I'm amazed at how some of the girls just totally ignore it.

Like Kayla wears nearly see thru dresses and no bra with her DCups. And damn Uma was wearing a short leather skirt and some fuck me boots and showing a ton of her double DDs and here she is sitting across from me chatting amiably as some matron looks on. They are both black and the way they are dressed there is no mistaking it for the daddy daughter dance. But they just rock on and don't give a fuck either. I think Uma in particular has complete confidence. Sexy black woman soon to be a doctor. She knows she stands out in a crowd.

[Elvis 2008]

As I write this, there are 3 girls in Madrid keeping in contact. A Spanish girl (already banged) asking when I'm coming back to Madrid, another Madrid girl wanting to meet, and an italian girl also in Madrid that has been keeping in contact for the last 3 months and we still haven't met. The EU has spoiled me, for real. I know there are good experiences to be had in the US, but from my experience, it's takes more work to achieve the same results. After the world opens up, I'm heading to Asia for some exploration.

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LOL. Maybe guys here have not been honest about the USA, but I thought I had been. In a good month on SA, I will get 3 responses / dates from the USA, 100 in Mexico, and 300 in Colombia. I imagine similar responses rates to Colombia in Brazil and Argentina from what I have seen.

You always take the one in hand in the USA. Having 7 responses and being stood up X 7 is to be expected. Unless I get a text from an American woman that day, I do not even bother going. It gets better in the USA when the women know you, but you have huge hoops to jump through to get there. And it is not just the USA. Even in the Latin nations, I get blown off until the women meet me.

I do have a set of American women where I guess I could rekindle things. Sure, they would make you spin your head but of these last three, one was a stunning college cheerleader but bipolar as hell, one had her car monitored for excessive drinking, and one was a stripper. Hell, the female stripper had a BF who was a male stripper. I look down my nose at them but truthfully, they were all top 10% in the bed room, and most men would look at me and say, "Hey, you are lucky to have any of these women."

It is like Steve settling for a fattie. Yeah, you can. I guess with me, the question is why. What is top 10% in the USA is top 25% in Mexico and top 50% in Colombia. I would rather just save my shekles and travel abroad. Hell, my state of Texas is so fucked up that prostitution is now a felony and abortion is illegal. Who wants to fuck here? And we probably have the best looking women left. Shit, some of the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders now are big boned.

You should have hooked up with the stripper. Always take the woman in the USA that is in hand. Always! But I doubt you missed out on anything that great. It sounds like the EU like Latin America has the USA beat.

[MiamiBoy1]

I had heard of girls being flaky from SA, but I simply had never experienced it in any manner that would make it notable. That has firmly changed. I now know how real the flake truly is.

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I have been flaked on countless number of times, in Medellin, Bogota, Rio, CDMX. I was always wondering how other guys manage to fuck so many girls in a short period of time. I simply can't, even if I wanted to. I consider myself lucky if I score 2 dates per week (even with repeat girls). I rarely see negative reports here, most of them are indeed rainbows and unicorns. Thanks for sharing!

[LshRoomer]

I had heard of girls being flaky from SA, but I simply had never experienced it in any manner that would make it notable. That has firmly changed. I now know how real the flake truly is.

There was a choice to go to Seattle or Phoenix. I would have happily gone to Europe but I didn't' want to deal with Covid tests, etc. I don't keep a membership to Seeking, so I usually join for a month around the time of my travel. This has worked really well. Simple pattern: Start chatting girls up around 10 days before arrival, pull some of them over to whatsapp, schedule multiple meets and I usually end up canceling a date with those not selected and meet them some other day. 95% of my experience has been in Europe, so this was what I'm used to. The girls may be nervous, but they show up and they are down AF to actually meet in person.

After my Madrid trip, I had another 3 weeks of membership to burn, so I scouted Seattle and Phoenix for SB. Phoenix won for reasons besides mongering. So I chatted up multiple girls from Phoenix and moved over to regular texting. Had a few strong SBs that were really eager for me to "return". They sent pics, hit me up with some frequency and I kept them warm and waiting. Finally it was time for me to head to phoenix and I would have never expected what happened next.

I had the dancer, the professor, the waitress, the shorthaired MILF, the pastry chef, the pale girl, the short girl, the ethiopian, the stay-in girl, and the tattooed girl all in constant communication awaiting my arrival. Here comes the flakery. The day before I arrived, two girls rescinded their interest, and one completely stopped responding so I was down to 7 possibilities with one that only wanted to hang out indoors (escort). One said that they found someone and the other said they would feel too much like a ****.

Cool. With 7 left and using my european experience as a guide, this was more than enough for a solid week for fun and banging. On the day I arrived, I scheduled 4 dates at the same time, now fully aware that the flake exist. By the time I touched ground, all of them canceled. W T F!

They all scheduled follow up dates later in the week. As the days came and I reached out to set things up, they all were ready for the night, but when it was time to meet, crickets. Complete ghosts. By Tuesday, only 4 girls were still responding, although selectively. I set up a time with pale girl and she kept in contact all day, until it was time to meet. Then crickets. I set up another time to meet with 2 of them, one primary and one backup. Both went silent. Pale girl texted me the next day and promised that she was down to hang out. Short girl said she needed rent money and was super down to hang out as well. By this time, it was Wednesday, so I figured maybe I was getting a slow start. When 6 pm came, crickets from both of them all night.

I hit up a strip club and it was empty. After sitting next to an attractive dancer and buying a few drinks, she chatted me up. She told me about her sexual freedom and that she was an SB before. I told her about my issues and that I was in the market for someone reliable. She was down and asked if we could hang out Thursday night. I said hell yeah. I gave her my number and told her to text me later. To my surprise, she did.

Now let me say that I really wanted to bang short girl. She was flaky AF, but there are some girls that you want to bang more than others. The short girl hits me on Thursday ready and willing, as in times past, but this time was a little different. She kept in touch all day, returned text messages, and was generally curious about where we were going to go. This behavior was different than before. The stripper now contacted me on Thursday multiple times to confirm our later meeting, though slow in her responses. I confirmed. Now, I was stuck with at the fork in the road. Go for the seemingly not flaky stripper that wants more of an emotional connection from her SD, or the short girl that I really wanted to bang. Choices, choices. I got busy as the day continued and when I didn't' write the stripper back for an hour around 4 pm, she made other plans thinking that I was flaking on her. I was used to the flake by this point, and thought that at least I'll bang the short girl. Crickets! WTF!! The short girl wrote me around 10 PM (about 3 hours after I wrote her) and told me that she's in the bed and really doesn't want to come out this late and furthermore if she did, it would be quick. No hang out or chill, just bang and go home. I declined and she then offered to come by in the morning on Friday.

I was leaving on Friday but my morning was free. I figured I would bang the short girl with morning wood and then jump on my flight. She was serious this time. I guess she needed the money. She hit me up at 7 AM ready to rock. I gave her my address and told her to come on by. She's called and texted and really made an effort. As she got closer, I decided that I'm only going to bang her if she is exactly what I want. So I figured I would wait outside and scope her out before actually meeting. I saw her from my very close vantage point and in person, she was awkward and not super attractive, even enough to break my morning wood. I realized that this was pretty much an escort experience and I wasn't in the market for one of those, so I called an audible. I ghosted the girl who had ghosted me for 5 days and left Phoenix thinking of what a shit show it really was. I am now intimately acquainted with the flake. It's not all rainbows and excellent sessions. I'm just keeping it real. The wins and the losses.

As I write this, there are 3 girls in Madrid keeping in contact. A Spanish girl (already banged) asking when I'm coming back to Madrid, another Madrid girl wanting to meet, and an italian girl also in Madrid that has been keeping in contact for the last 3 months and we still haven't met. The EU has spoiled me, for real. I know there are good experiences to be had in the US, but from my experience, it's takes more work to achieve the same results. After the world opens up, I'm heading to Asia for some exploration.

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[Steve 9696]

Can't believe you had all this juicy detail queued up in your brain and were hoarding it until I prompted you! You bad boy!

Great FR. I literally LOL as I visualized a hopelessly drunk MW consuming a whole bucket of KFC. Hahaha. Still laughing.

Keep it up man (literally and figuratively)! The girls that is. Not mass KFC consumption!

[WyattEarp]

Hi guys,

Fortunately I stumbled upon this forum. I am from India. I've been reading your posts and honestly, love them. They are so knowledgeable and give inputs on various facets of sugar-babe scene.

Friends, I am 52 and 6 feet tall, slim and exercise to keep myself fit. Girls find me handsome (no jokes, they told me). I have a query for you. I'd be most obliged if you guys share your thoughts on it. Buddies, I do take a Pill before sex but I can only come once a week in pussy. I can fuck well for a long time but the satisfaction of releasing in pussy every 4/5 days is elusive to me. I have spoken to many docs and experts In India and they told me at my age, body system needs time at least 5 days for it to again build up. This SA and girls are addictive and cannot let go of them easily too. You'll understand my dilemma. I have tried 6 girls in Aug and September but my experiment failed and it's a total waste of money and mood spoiler by ultimately having a HJ or BJ. Girls have been good to me and understand it but it's for my own satisfaction to release in Pussy.

Steve's Japanese condoms suggestion is a very good idea. I suspect the women will make a high pitch squeal when you enter them like the Japanese porn girls. (That's a joke.) Steve's recommendation to try different sexual position angles is spot on. Some positions increase the friction applied to your penis.

There are a variety of other things than can help.

Cut down on watching porn. Men are highly visually stimulated. Porn can cause overstimulation in the male brain. Less stimulation from porn can help your stimulation with a woman.

Stop masturbating for a week or two before going on a sex trip or SA binge. Try less aggressive ways to masturbate.

Topical Vitamin E oils and other ointments are also believed to help penile sensitivity. These should be applied daily for several weeks before you will see benefits.

I would start reading information on the internet from reputable medical sites. There is a lot out there.