Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.

I know u know all this DF but for the Newbies and experimenters…

There are lots of pluses for doing dinner and pushing for the SNL (single night lay). Even tho I do it because I've found it most effective I think there are clear reasons it's more effective.

1. Dinner is more relaxed and intimate and romantic.

2. You are both drinking. Beer goggles work both directions.

3. If you let her think overnight then in the light of day this old guy idea might not seem too good. But once you have fucked and she enjoys it and is comfortable w you then you are in for good.

[DramaFree11]

Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5..

Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.

[Steve 9696]

Yes, I agree. M. Boy tends to leave out details and complains a lot. I have talked about my failures many times, so have most of the guys. I do not think anyone says it is easy in the states.

Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5.

PPS To be full disclosure I have had an additional 3 where the meetup happened so not a flake but the sex did not. Only one was a true fail where we had mad chemistry and she balked in the room. The other two were early in my journey. One the wrong age range snd a breakfast meet and one that I woulda closed without batting an eye if it was today.

My formula from the school of hard knocks is simple — Age 22-26, heavy girlfriend level texting, meetup for dinner and close with sex same night. Never lunch or breakfast. Never just a meet and greet. Always dinner and sex after.

[DramaFree11]

I think everyone on here has been honest about how DIFFICULT it is to get a good SA date, especially in the USA. I recently stated this in an earlier report:

"When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs. ".

So, I averaged about one good SB per month. If you are scoring two dates per week, then you are doing better than most of us.

Yes, I agree. M. Boy tends to leave out details and complains a lot. I have talked about my failures many times, so have most of the guys. I do not think anyone says it is easy in the states.

[Midwestern]

I have been flaked on countless number of times, in Medellin, Bogota, Rio, CDMX. I was always wondering how other guys manage to fuck so many girls in a short period of time. I simply can't, even if I wanted to. I consider myself lucky if I score 2 dates per week (even with repeat girls). I rarely see negative reports here, most of them are indeed rainbows and unicorns. Thanks for sharing!

I think everyone on here has been honest about how DIFFICULT it is to get a good SA date, especially in the USA. I recently stated this in an earlier report:

"When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs. ".

So, I averaged about one good SB per month. If you are scoring two dates per week, then you are doing better than most of us.

[Steve 9696]

Damn that is a nice solution. My SB is pushing for earlier times. A cheaper day rate is nice. The problem I have faced is that hotels lack cleaning staff. Thus the room may be available but not cleaned. I guess you have to put up with the looks of the staff since they probably know exactly what is going on. I text my SB the room number and we try not to be seen together.

Oh absolutely the hotel staff have seen it all before. And yes day use rooms kinda have one purpose. LOL. But def get used to some of the side eye particularly in restaurants. Harder for the girl than me because I couldn't give two fucks what some repressed geezer lady thinks. But I'm amazed at how some of the girls just totally ignore it.

Like Kayla wears nearly see thru dresses and no bra with her DCups. And damn Uma was wearing a short leather skirt and some fuck me boots and showing a ton of her double DDs and here she is sitting across from me chatting amiably as some matron looks on. They are both black and the way they are dressed there is no mistaking it for the daddy daughter dance. But they just rock on and don't give a fuck either. I think Uma in particular has complete confidence. Sexy black woman soon to be a doctor. She knows she stands out in a crowd.

[Elvis 2008]

As I write this, there are 3 girls in Madrid keeping in contact. A Spanish girl (already banged) asking when I'm coming back to Madrid, another Madrid girl wanting to meet, and an italian girl also in Madrid that has been keeping in contact for the last 3 months and we still haven't met. The EU has spoiled me, for real. I know there are good experiences to be had in the US, but from my experience, it's takes more work to achieve the same results. After the world opens up, I'm heading to Asia for some exploration.

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LOL. Maybe guys here have not been honest about the USA, but I thought I had been. In a good month on SA, I will get 3 responses / dates from the USA, 100 in Mexico, and 300 in Colombia. I imagine similar responses rates to Colombia in Brazil and Argentina from what I have seen.

You always take the one in hand in the USA. Having 7 responses and being stood up X 7 is to be expected. Unless I get a text from an American woman that day, I do not even bother going. It gets better in the USA when the women know you, but you have huge hoops to jump through to get there. And it is not just the USA. Even in the Latin nations, I get blown off until the women meet me.

I do have a set of American women where I guess I could rekindle things. Sure, they would make you spin your head but of these last three, one was a stunning college cheerleader but bipolar as hell, one had her car monitored for excessive drinking, and one was a stripper. Hell, the female stripper had a BF who was a male stripper. I look down my nose at them but truthfully, they were all top 10% in the bed room, and most men would look at me and say, "Hey, you are lucky to have any of these women."

It is like Steve settling for a fattie. Yeah, you can. I guess with me, the question is why. What is top 10% in the USA is top 25% in Mexico and top 50% in Colombia. I would rather just save my shekles and travel abroad. Hell, my state of Texas is so fucked up that prostitution is now a felony and abortion is illegal. Who wants to fuck here? And we probably have the best looking women left. Shit, some of the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders now are big boned.

You should have hooked up with the stripper. Always take the woman in the USA that is in hand. Always! But I doubt you missed out on anything that great. It sounds like the EU like Latin America has the USA beat.

[MiamiBoy1]

I had heard of girls being flaky from SA, but I simply had never experienced it in any manner that would make it notable. That has firmly changed. I now know how real the flake truly is.

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I have been flaked on countless number of times, in Medellin, Bogota, Rio, CDMX. I was always wondering how other guys manage to fuck so many girls in a short period of time. I simply can't, even if I wanted to. I consider myself lucky if I score 2 dates per week (even with repeat girls). I rarely see negative reports here, most of them are indeed rainbows and unicorns. Thanks for sharing!

[LshRoomer]

I had heard of girls being flaky from SA, but I simply had never experienced it in any manner that would make it notable. That has firmly changed. I now know how real the flake truly is.

There was a choice to go to Seattle or Phoenix. I would have happily gone to Europe but I didn't' want to deal with Covid tests, etc. I don't keep a membership to Seeking, so I usually join for a month around the time of my travel. This has worked really well. Simple pattern: Start chatting girls up around 10 days before arrival, pull some of them over to whatsapp, schedule multiple meets and I usually end up canceling a date with those not selected and meet them some other day. 95% of my experience has been in Europe, so this was what I'm used to. The girls may be nervous, but they show up and they are down AF to actually meet in person.

After my Madrid trip, I had another 3 weeks of membership to burn, so I scouted Seattle and Phoenix for SB. Phoenix won for reasons besides mongering. So I chatted up multiple girls from Phoenix and moved over to regular texting. Had a few strong SBs that were really eager for me to "return". They sent pics, hit me up with some frequency and I kept them warm and waiting. Finally it was time for me to head to phoenix and I would have never expected what happened next.

I had the dancer, the professor, the waitress, the shorthaired MILF, the pastry chef, the pale girl, the short girl, the ethiopian, the stay-in girl, and the tattooed girl all in constant communication awaiting my arrival. Here comes the flakery. The day before I arrived, two girls rescinded their interest, and one completely stopped responding so I was down to 7 possibilities with one that only wanted to hang out indoors (escort). One said that they found someone and the other said they would feel too much like a ****.

Cool. With 7 left and using my european experience as a guide, this was more than enough for a solid week for fun and banging. On the day I arrived, I scheduled 4 dates at the same time, now fully aware that the flake exist. By the time I touched ground, all of them canceled. W T F!

They all scheduled follow up dates later in the week. As the days came and I reached out to set things up, they all were ready for the night, but when it was time to meet, crickets. Complete ghosts. By Tuesday, only 4 girls were still responding, although selectively. I set up a time with pale girl and she kept in contact all day, until it was time to meet. Then crickets. I set up another time to meet with 2 of them, one primary and one backup. Both went silent. Pale girl texted me the next day and promised that she was down to hang out. Short girl said she needed rent money and was super down to hang out as well. By this time, it was Wednesday, so I figured maybe I was getting a slow start. When 6 pm came, crickets from both of them all night.

I hit up a strip club and it was empty. After sitting next to an attractive dancer and buying a few drinks, she chatted me up. She told me about her sexual freedom and that she was an SB before. I told her about my issues and that I was in the market for someone reliable. She was down and asked if we could hang out Thursday night. I said hell yeah. I gave her my number and told her to text me later. To my surprise, she did.

Now let me say that I really wanted to bang short girl. She was flaky AF, but there are some girls that you want to bang more than others. The short girl hits me on Thursday ready and willing, as in times past, but this time was a little different. She kept in touch all day, returned text messages, and was generally curious about where we were going to go. This behavior was different than before. The stripper now contacted me on Thursday multiple times to confirm our later meeting, though slow in her responses. I confirmed. Now, I was stuck with at the fork in the road. Go for the seemingly not flaky stripper that wants more of an emotional connection from her SD, or the short girl that I really wanted to bang. Choices, choices. I got busy as the day continued and when I didn't' write the stripper back for an hour around 4 pm, she made other plans thinking that I was flaking on her. I was used to the flake by this point, and thought that at least I'll bang the short girl. Crickets! WTF!! The short girl wrote me around 10 PM (about 3 hours after I wrote her) and told me that she's in the bed and really doesn't want to come out this late and furthermore if she did, it would be quick. No hang out or chill, just bang and go home. I declined and she then offered to come by in the morning on Friday.

I was leaving on Friday but my morning was free. I figured I would bang the short girl with morning wood and then jump on my flight. She was serious this time. I guess she needed the money. She hit me up at 7 AM ready to rock. I gave her my address and told her to come on by. She's called and texted and really made an effort. As she got closer, I decided that I'm only going to bang her if she is exactly what I want. So I figured I would wait outside and scope her out before actually meeting. I saw her from my very close vantage point and in person, she was awkward and not super attractive, even enough to break my morning wood. I realized that this was pretty much an escort experience and I wasn't in the market for one of those, so I called an audible. I ghosted the girl who had ghosted me for 5 days and left Phoenix thinking of what a shit show it really was. I am now intimately acquainted with the flake. It's not all rainbows and excellent sessions. I'm just keeping it real. The wins and the losses.

As I write this, there are 3 girls in Madrid keeping in contact. A Spanish girl (already banged) asking when I'm coming back to Madrid, another Madrid girl wanting to meet, and an italian girl also in Madrid that has been keeping in contact for the last 3 months and we still haven't met. The EU has spoiled me, for real. I know there are good experiences to be had in the US, but from my experience, it's takes more work to achieve the same results. After the world opens up, I'm heading to Asia for some exploration.

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[Steve 9696]

Can't believe you had all this juicy detail queued up in your brain and were hoarding it until I prompted you! You bad boy!

Great FR. I literally LOL as I visualized a hopelessly drunk MW consuming a whole bucket of KFC. Hahaha. Still laughing.

Keep it up man (literally and figuratively)! The girls that is. Not mass KFC consumption!

[WyattEarp]

Hi guys,

Fortunately I stumbled upon this forum. I am from India. I've been reading your posts and honestly, love them. They are so knowledgeable and give inputs on various facets of sugar-babe scene.

Friends, I am 52 and 6 feet tall, slim and exercise to keep myself fit. Girls find me handsome (no jokes, they told me). I have a query for you. I'd be most obliged if you guys share your thoughts on it. Buddies, I do take a Pill before sex but I can only come once a week in pussy. I can fuck well for a long time but the satisfaction of releasing in pussy every 4/5 days is elusive to me. I have spoken to many docs and experts In India and they told me at my age, body system needs time at least 5 days for it to again build up. This SA and girls are addictive and cannot let go of them easily too. You'll understand my dilemma. I have tried 6 girls in Aug and September but my experiment failed and it's a total waste of money and mood spoiler by ultimately having a HJ or BJ. Girls have been good to me and understand it but it's for my own satisfaction to release in Pussy.

Steve's Japanese condoms suggestion is a very good idea. I suspect the women will make a high pitch squeal when you enter them like the Japanese porn girls. (That's a joke.) Steve's recommendation to try different sexual position angles is spot on. Some positions increase the friction applied to your penis.

There are a variety of other things than can help.

Cut down on watching porn. Men are highly visually stimulated. Porn can cause overstimulation in the male brain. Less stimulation from porn can help your stimulation with a woman.

Stop masturbating for a week or two before going on a sex trip or SA binge. Try less aggressive ways to masturbate.

Topical Vitamin E oils and other ointments are also believed to help penile sensitivity. These should be applied daily for several weeks before you will see benefits.

I would start reading information on the internet from reputable medical sites. There is a lot out there.

[Midwestern]

Steve, since you asked. For work, I had to go to Beijing, my old stomping grounds. But TBH, it was nothing special. I mostly fucked some of my favorite WGs that I know. I did meet a former SB, and I think you will find that part of my trip to be super frustrating. BTW, Steve, you're mentioned in Day 5 of this FR.

I invited a former SB to go with me and stay for a few nights. I will call her TW (titless wonder). TW used to live in Shanghai, but she's a single mother and decided to move back home to raise her son who is now of an age that needs a mom full time. TW is tall, attractive, and despite her age, she has a very tight bod. She loves DATY, which she didn't even know was a thing until I introduced her to it. When she lived in Shanghai, I was helping her out with $600 per month rent, but then she started asking for a $900 per month allowance too. To be fair, this is still less than the market price for an SB in Shanghai. But after having been with her about 20 times, it was getting stale and I balked at the allowance, and that was part of the reason she moved.

Day 1, two gals. I arrive on Sunday. Met a former FWB and we fucked for almost two hours. Then I went to an MP to relax. My masseuse was nothing special, mid-40's. To my surprise, there was a happy ending, but in the middle of it, she said she could blow me for $45 tip. So I said sure. She was really into it. My guess is because my cock is totally bald. So then on a whim, I asked her to fuck me, and she refused, but I said just do it for a minute. After a brief hesitation, she pulled down her pants and underwear and started jack hammering me bareback. Again, I think she did it because she was really liking my totally bald cock. The jack hammering lasted for about 20 seconds. Then she started giving me a hand job. But I begged for her to fuck me again, and she did. Another 20 seconds. Then she finished with CIM. Afterwards, she asked if I could give her more than $45, and I gave her $75 and she was thrilled. I got her WeChat, but I was not determined to see her again. I had limited time, after all. Plus, her better days were behind her. And she was just desperate for any kind of money grab, which was a bit of a turn off.

Day 2, just TW. So, on Monday, I show up at work and worked all day. TW was arriving later that night. Suddenly, late afternoon, TW texts me telling me that she suddenly got her period! WTF?! I think I totally got munsoned and I am pretty pissed off. I was stuck with her for the next three nights. So I thought about getting quickie before seeing her, but I couldn't get out of work, and work eventually became a working dinner, and I couldn't get free until around 10 pm. I go meet TW at our hotel. We shower and she blows me in bed, and I get really horny and so we started fucking, and it felt great. But sure enough, there's blood everywhere, and we spend the next 30 minutes scrubbing the sheets as clean as possible. Afterwards, we shared a bottle of wine and we pass out.

Day 3, three gals. I finish up some work by lunchtime on Tuesday. I have to be back for a company dinner. Since TW is not fuckable, I decide to try to fuck three girls that afternoon. And so I first went to see one of my favorite WGs. She is super duper tiny. Fucking her is like fucking a fairy or an elf. It was great seeing her again. She knows me well, and so she let's me bareback her. Barebacking a WG is probably the dumbest thing to do ever, especially given the fact that she fucks several guys every day. Anyway, after about an hour of fucking her, I am off to girl #2. She is also a favorite WG of mine. Amazing body. Cute butt, very big and firm nice tits for a Chinese girl, and actually everything is firm. She has the body of a 23 year old, and that's because she is 23 years old, haha. She's actually a lesbian, but she loves cock. Go figure. Anyway, we fucked for about 30 minutes. She let me bareback her for the first time. Again, stupid of me. Then I am off to girl #3. She's also a WG, but she's a new gal for me. Just wanted to try a new person to see if I can add to my stable. But she was disappointing. Just average looking, though service was good. I was saving my nut to bust inside of gal #3, but because she was not hot, I couldn't do it, and besides, I was wearing a condom, and it's hard for me to cum with a condom. So, after three days, I fucked 6 gals, but haven't cum yet. Crazy. That night, after work dinner, I go out with TW and I get drunk and then I pass out in bed with her. We just slept together like an old married couple.

Day 4, two gals. Similar to Day 3, but the elf had a tight schedule because she was fucking someone at 1 pm, then 3 pm, then 5 pm, so I couldn't squeeze into her schedule. So I just went to see the lesbian. Then I tried out another new WG, but this one was flabby, so again I couldn't bust a nut. BTW, I could only see two girls on Wednesday because I decided to work out in the gym after lunch, and so I was tight on time. I go back to the office for a working dinner, and then I went out with TW again and got drunk. She started calling me a drunk, which was annoying. Again, we slept together that night like an old married couple.

Day 5, two gals. Similar to Day 4, but this time it's with the elf and with the lesbian. I might have finally cum with the lesbian, but I cannot remember now. BTW, while I was in K9 with her, I just could not believe how amazing her body was, and I asked her if I could take a picture of me doing her doggy style. She said sure. So I took a couple of pictures of her with my cock fully inside of her and with my cock halfway inside of her. I took the latter picture so that I can show Steve the picture of my bald cock. I've never uploaded pics onto ISG and was excited to finally do it. But as I was admiring the pics in the taxi, I realize that having these pics on my phone was probably dumb, and so I deleted them. Sorry, Steve. Anyway, TW left that day. So I was a free man that night. But this was our last working dinner and we got stupid hammered on baijiu (similar to vodka, but 106 proof). I was so hammered that I went back to my hotel room and passed out and woke up around 2 am. My first free night without TW is wasted! So I just went out and got a bucket of KFC and returned to my hotel room and got hammered again and then ate the entire bucket of KFC and then passed out again.

Day 6, no gals. It's Friday, and my last day of work on this business trip. Unfortunately, with all the fucking that I did during the afternoons on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, I was very behind on my work. And I ended up working all day and night. When I finally finished, I was not in the mood to fuck. And besides, I was feeling hungover from the night before and I also felt disgusting because I had an entire bucket of fried chicken inside of my belly and I was also constipated from it. So I nursed a beer and went to bed.

Day 7, three gals. I start out the morning with a humongous shit. I bet it weighed over 3 pounds. I felt great afterwards. It's a Saturday, my only free day, and I was feeling really good, super horny, and quite ambitious, and so I am thinking about trying to fuck five girls that day. I started the morning with the FWB. Then I saw a WG that I know. She may have the best body out of everyone from this trip, but she is a hard core WG and has always treated me like a customer, and so I'm never in a rush to see her. But seeing and feeling that amazing body of hers was making me regret not seeing her earlier, and more often. Oh well. Then, I went to see another WG. And it's only around 1 pm, and so I am thinking that maybe I will be able to fuck 5 girls that day, maybe even 6. The third gal is also someone that I've known for a long time, and so she also let's me bareback her. While I was fucking her, she begged for me to bust my nut inside of her. She said she took medicine. Maybe that meant she was on the pill. I did not want to cum, because I still wanted to fuck two or three more girls that day, but the idea of cumming inside of her was too tempting and so I busted a nut inside of her. Then I ate lunch. Then I took a nap. After I woke up, I had zero desire to fuck. So I spent the rest of the day watching movies on my iPad and that night at a bar with a friend of mine.

Day 8, I returned home.

So I barebacked FWB twice, barebacked MP gal once, barebacked TW once, barebacked elf twice, barebacked lesbian three times, cover fucked new WG #1 once, cover fucked new WG #2 once, cover fucked old WG #1 once, and barebacked old WG #2 once.

Dude you are slaying it! You make us proud! Would love some more details of where you went and about the venues and girl experiences either here or by PM if you prefer. Rock on!

[Steve 9696]

I just got back from a business trip. Fucked 13 times in 8 days with 9 different gals.

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Dude you are slaying it! You make us proud! Would love some more details of where you went and about the venues and girl experiences either here or by PM if you prefer. Rock on!

[Akibono]

Oh and Akibono on the checkin at 4 thing this depends how busy they are. At certain times of year I've been able to checkin as early as 1230. That said U should checkout day use hotels. There is dayuse.com and hotelsbyday.com and they offer like 9-3 at a really good price. Haven't been able to find availability during peak season but off season I have been able to get a nice hotel at $100 and have a great nooner. Recommend you check it out.

Damn that is a nice solution. My SB is pushing for earlier times. A cheaper day rate is nice. The problem I have faced is that hotels lack cleaning staff. Thus the room may be available but not cleaned. I guess you have to put up with the looks of the staff since they probably know exactly what is going on. I text my SB the room number and we try not to be seen together.

[Akibono]

Are you wearing a condom? If so, then this is a common problem. I also have problems cumming in pussy when I am wearing a condom.

But if you're looking for a solution, then I do not know what to tell you.

I actually do not need to cum, since I can do that by myself. I like fucking, which I cannot do by myself, and so fucking someone for a couple of hours without cumming is no problem for me.

I just got back from a business trip. Fucked 13 times in 8 days with 9 different gals. I think I only came once, or maybe it was twice. For the girls, it totally confuses them when I just leave without cumming. They apologize profusely, but I tell them that I'm quite content and very happy. Especially watching them and caressing them as they are blowing me is just so satisfying..

When I was younger, I used to think the orgasm was the only goal. Today, I much prefer a longer fuck than an orgasm. It is all about the pleasure and how to control it. When you have an orgasm, your mind releases pleasure chemicals which have a good effect on the body because it reduces stress. However, there is a limited supply. So, once you have a release, you need time to recharge. However, when you fuck, you can control the release of those chemicals. Not only does a longer, slower release feels better, but you get that feeling over a longer period. As I grow older, I understand that sex is not binary. It is more like an oscillating curve that you have some control over (the girl has some control too). You can play beautiful music by changing the rhythm. It is amazing how sometimes the intensity is just shy of an orgasm. Getting to that dream state is the goal.