Seeking Arrangements

[KilledSoul]

Argentina may be the best place currently, the currency is in the literal shitter. The unofficial exchange rate is 2 x what the official rate is, & the recently the government cut the value of the Peso by 13% to really no effect. The government needs to cut the rate by 100% to get in line with the unofficial blue dollar rate.

Argentinian women are considered to be the most liberal and beautiful in South America? Can anybody who has had and SD / SB relationship shed some light on how it compares to CDMX and Medellin scene? Asking because general impression is that Argentinian women are haughtier than their South American sisters.

[MrBuckley]

Has anyone tried SA in Italy before? Or any idea what the rates are?

I kind of thought it would be similar to Spain which seems to be like 250-400.

First 2 responses I got have been 600 and 2 k LOL.

[SeekingHead]

The rates you paid in the past are no longer valid. $100-$125 can get you a 7-7. 5. But stunners 8+ are asking 200 USD. Top shelf girls want $250-$300+. Most importantly, 90% stick to asking rates and won't budge. I think CDMX makes more sense right now, because it is closer to the US, the food is better, and the rates have become more or less the same, so going to Colombia doesn't really make you save.

Argentina may be the best place currently, the currency is in the literal shitter. The unofficial exchange rate is 2 x what the official rate is, & the recently the government cut the value of the Peso by 13% to really no effect. The government needs to cut the rate by 100% to get in line with the unofficial blue dollar rate.

[Steve 9696]

I'm planning a trip to Singapore and Thailand soon and I'm curious about your experience with SA in this part of the world. From what I've read so far, there are plenty of venues to find girls at MPs, or short / long time bar girls, agogos, etc. Basically, the options appear to be endless and cheap, with varying degrees of quality.

Just wondering if any of you have had SA experiences in Asia and if it is generally worth it. "Worth it" being described as the ease of finding a GFE non working girl, with fluent english (regular SA stuff).

I'm planning to sample it all, but I'm curious if SA should be part of the strategy.

TIA.

I know this doesn't answer your question because I didn't do SA there but having just returned from Thailand I can say the gogos at Nana plaza (better than Cowboy except for Crazy House which is full nude) are a blast. Point and click. I'll take number 512 please. Let's roll!

For my money I love SA a lot. But you know what? Sometimes dinner and all is fun. And sometimes ogling 50 half naked girls in stripper heels and deciding which one to fuck is fun also. I enjoy mixing it up. I think you will find that Thailand is great for the latter. Did U read my report in Bangkok thread? It also covers a soapy called Poseidon which can be fun also.

[LshRoomer]

I'm planning a trip to Singapore and Thailand soon and I'm curious about your experience with SA in this part of the world. From what I've read so far, there are plenty of venues to find girls at MPs, or short / long time bar girls, agogos, etc. Basically, the options appear to be endless and cheap, with varying degrees of quality.

Just wondering if any of you have had SA experiences in Asia and if it is generally worth it. "Worth it" being described as the ease of finding a GFE non working girl, with fluent english (regular SA stuff).

I'm planning to sample it all, but I'm curious if SA should be part of the strategy.

TIA.

[BlueMoon22]

After the fiasco with the red flag chick 1. 5 weeks ago or so I got to see my college chick again tonight finally. I was out of town over labor day weekend and the first of the week visiting family and wanted to pull off an SA visit then but just didn't work staying with them and having things planned and staying with them. She's really busy with school, work and of course likes to party so I know she just wants to meet up when she needs some money. So it is what it is. I'd rather it be more regular as I would have avoided the red flag chick. LOL.

Anyways she texts just enough to keep me interested but always says she should be able to see me in the next week or two. Earlier this week she asked when I was free and I just said anytime in the evening or weekend just let me know and she never said a day / time. Friday I finally just said hey lets get together Sunday if you have time instead of asking her when she is free. She said she could probably see me a for a couple hours after work. Ok good enough. I'd rather have more time for dinner / drinks / fun and not feel rushed but I've been putting off / ignoring other opportunities waiting on this chick so I'm happy to see her as I was close to punting and looking harder for a new local.

We set a time and she ends up running a little late but not bad. Chat a bit in the room. Shower together and move to room get the first nut and cuddle and talk and go for second nut. Second one was tough to pull off though in that short of a turn around. Maybe 1 hour between but she worked for it and got it. Needed just a little more recovery time but still pulled it off.

Not sure what I'll do at this point as I like new stuff but after the red flag fiasco I like consistent (which college chick isn't other than knowing she will want to meet again at some point). I passed up meeting the best PSE chick I've ever had by far a few times that I met in July due to taking 3 trips and then seeing this chick and then thinking I'd get to see her weekly or at least every 2 weeks. Tried hitting up PSE chick this weekend before college committed to seeing me and she had plans but said maybe Sunday and then never heard back. Guessing I went too long without seeing her and she found another or figures I'm keeping her as a backup.

Oh well. Fun times were had tonight!

[FilthyBeaver]

As I wrote earlier I've been really disappointed with the offerings on the site right now. So disappointed that I've been bored enough to hook scammers and keep them on the line as long as possible just to piss them off. I haven't seen this discussion before and I'd love to hear other constructive input. There are exceptions to every rule but for the most part here are my rules to flush out scams.

Profile:

1 profile pic and no other pics (hidden or not).

No text in the profile.

Nonsense in profile (lazy Asian scammer trying to get away with Google translate).

Black and white pics.

Too many (7/8+) pics.

Pics heavily skewed in high dollar locations.

Professional pics (sometimes pros but not often).

After contact:

Grammar mistakes consistent with a Slavic or Asian language, sorry but every Nigerian scammer I've ever run across has had impeccable English grammar so they have been omitted and not overlooked.

Insisting on taking the convo to a specific texting app.

Country code outside your country unless profile calls it out.

Asking for money (duh) to prove you're real.

Asking what you're "offering" in the first 3 messages (also a sign of a pro so if that's what you're looking for there's nothing wrong with that but they're anything but a sb).

I've got a 99% reliable trick to make them but I won't post it publicly lest I inadvertently give them a leg up. DM me and if you've been constructive posting here I'd be happy to share it.

[FilthyBeaver]

I don't understand people trying to negotiate a girl down. Don't you want her in the best mood possible? Consider what you're asking her to do with her body and you. Give it to her, shit, it probably means a whole lot more to her than it does to you.

Now, because I like being thorough, I guess there's a situation where she's unhappy because she thinks she may have been able to get more out of you but for the most part when I've paid what she wanted I got what I wanted. There are no losers.

You and I would get on great. That's how I live too. I really enjoy my seeking. It's the highlight of all my trips. I spend generously because I want the best girls and I want them at my beck and call. I don't negotiate. If a girl wants an exorbitant amount I just pass, and otherwise I try to pay at what I perceive as the 80-90th percentile wherever I go. And like you said, it works so why change it.

[DramaFree11]

The rates you paid in the past are no longer valid. $100-$125 can get you a 7-7. 5. But stunners 8+ are asking 200 USD. Top shelf girls want $250-$300+. Most importantly, 90% stick to asking rates and won't budge. I think CDMX makes more sense right now, because it is closer to the US, the food is better, and the rates have become more or less the same, so going to Colombia doesn't really make you save.

Wow, I never thought you would say this. Price for girls has not really changed, if you stick with Mexican Chicks, but the Colombian and Euros are very expensive in CDMX, you are just best to avoid them.

Restaurants are very expensive now and Airbnb has also raised prices. I love CDMX, but it can get expensive very quickly if you do not pay attention.

[MiamiBoy1]

Forget about that. You can get a great escort for a $100 in Bogota, women in Santa Fe for $20. $400 is a month's pay in Colombia. That is like giving $4000 here. And honestly, I have had much better. I paid between $80 and $140 in Bogota for 7's to 10's. Those are USA rates that one woman got out of an American guy who did not know better.

The rates you paid in the past are no longer valid. $100-$125 can get you a 7-7. 5. But stunners 8+ are asking 200 USD. Top shelf girls want $250-$300+. Most importantly, 90% stick to asking rates and won't budge. I think CDMX makes more sense right now, because it is closer to the US, the food is better, and the rates have become more or less the same, so going to Colombia doesn't really make you save.

[AmericanPi]

There is little point. I posted rough stats a few months ago. I'm happy with the results so why change the sauce? Frankly $280 or whatever it is now is way less than I'd ever give anyone and probably about what I'd spend on a dinner date the second time so whatever. I refuse to think about money when it comes to mongering, it costs what it costs when I get what I want because what I want is very rare and out of my league without money leveling the field. I'll pinch my pennies elsewhere.

You and I would get on great. That's how I live too. I really enjoy my seeking. It's the highlight of all my trips. I spend generously because I want the best girls and I want them at my beck and call. I don't negotiate. If a girl wants an exorbitant amount I just pass, and otherwise I try to pay at what I perceive as the 80-90th percentile wherever I go. And like you said, it works so why change it.

[Elvis 2008]

Said she wants 400 for sex because that's what her friend gets and she doesn't know if we'll have sex because her period might happen LOL.

Forget about that. You can get a great escort for a $100 in Bogota, women in Santa Fe for $20. $400 is a month's pay in Colombia. That is like giving $4000 here. And honestly, I have had much better. I paid between $80 and $140 in Bogota for 7's to 10's. Those are USA rates that one woman got out of an American guy who did not know better.

[FilthyBeaver]

There is little point. I posted rough stats a few months ago. I'm happy with the results so why change the sauce? Frankly $280 or whatever it is now is way less than I'd ever give anyone and probably about what I'd spend on a dinner date the second time so whatever. I refuse to think about money when it comes to mongering, it costs what it costs when I get what I want because what I want is very rare and out of my league without money leveling the field. I'll pinch my pennies elsewhere.

This is not a critique. It's working well for you. Just a perspective. Unless it leads to noticeably more click throughs at the prospecting stage, there seems to be little point. Once you have a girl showing up to meet you it's all on you anyway regardless of what you paid for the membership.

[Intelligencium]

This is Part 8 of my "Dating Tour" series.

Part 1 (Overview): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2842652.

Part 2 (Prep): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2844638.

Part 3 (Madrid) http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2844961.

Part 4 (Barcelona. Naz and the threesome): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...41#post2845741.

Part 5 (Barcelona. Worst day of the tour): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...41#post2845741.

Part 6 (Barcelona. Continued): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...81#post2848081.

Part 7 (Barcelona. The end): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2849730.

Prep for Amsterdam trip with a sugar babe

As I said in my last post, Even though I was enjoying a lot in Barcelona, I decided to spend a few days in Amsterdam since I had never been there and my flight to the US was from there. I checked SA, but the scene in Amsterdam didn't look as promising as Spain and I also wanted to experience traveling with a sugar babe. I had posted on this forum a couple of times to ask for advice and got the following:

- Never book tickets / hotel for someone you have never met.

- If possible, fly out together from the same city, so that she cannot flake or ditch you at the last moment.

- Given that travel involves a lot more expenses, at most, offer a small daily allowance.

I would have gone with Naz (from Part 4), but we had already broken up. And although we were now patching up a bit (since I visited her a few times in hospital), she was not well and would not be able to travel anyways. By the time I had a few repeat dates with Lisa (from Part 7), I had already made plans with someone else (I wish I had met Lisa earlier! That someone else was Monica, the girl I met last in Madrid (from Part 3) and with whom I had two dates. She seemed fun, liked to drink / party, I vibed with her and she also felt like a safe option in terms of someone who wouldn't flake or wouldn't go crazy on me.

So I proposed this plan to her and she said yes. I wanted to talk over the phone to make sure everything was clear, and it took us a while to finally connect (mainly because I was busy with other girls). Finally we talked and I laid out the plan:

- I will pay for all expenses, including flight tickets, hotel, food and anything else we do there. I wouldn? T even mind buying her tickets to museums etc when I am busy working one weekday evening.

- I would book two rooms for privacy.

- I would like to preserve my privacy, so there will be times when I may ask her to stay away from hotel reception etc. Told her that I had given her a fake name and would continue to do that.

- And since I will be spending a lot during the travel, I cannot give her the PPM amount we talked about. I can do may be 100 euros per day as an allowance.

She was a bit surprised about the privacy aspect (and my fake name) but she laughed it off in a teasing way, but I think the low daily allowance took her really by surprise. I told her if she had some other kind of allowance in mind, she can think and let me know.

Next day I confirmed that the plan was on, and then booked one way tickets for her. For this, she sent me a copy of her ID, email address etc. So interestingly, I had a copy of her ID, knew her DOB, name etc, and she didn't even know my real name! I booked one-way tickets to have leverage in case something didn't work out (round trip would have been cheaper). Also booked my tickets. I would arrive a day earlier than her and booked two rooms in the same hotel, one for a day longer (since I came earlier).

Amsterdam

When I got to the Amsterdam hotel, I tried to explain to the reception that I wanted the two rooms connecting if possible, or at least side by side. This led to a lot of confusion. Overall, 5-star hotel experience in Amsterdam was much worse than in Spain (even though bad service is the stereotype for Spanish people). I was getting rooms on different floors, so in the end, I had to pay a bit extra to get side by side rooms (still not connected).

Night 1 in Amsterdam, I decided to go to a well rated Piano Bar and ended up spending 4+ hours there drinking and singing with fellow music enthusiasts. Drunk people in Piano bars are a lot of fun. Hugs and kisses were flowing like booze. Haha.

Next day I went to the airport to pick up Monica. AMS is a huge mess of an airport since they have only one terminal. To meet each other, I had to share my live location with Monica.

The good: Next 2-3 days we did a lot of touristy things: Heineken tour, Anne Frank tour, canal boat rides etc. We visited the red light district twice, saw two different live sex shows, went to two nightclubs, I tried weed for the third time in my life (it didn't suit me) and visited the Moco (Modern Contemporary) Museum while high. And a lot of drinking along the way. I enjoyed the city and the stay!

The bad: had sex only twice in the three nights we were together and (this may be related) I didn'tt feel the connection I had felt with either Naz or Lisa. I wonder if money was the issue, or because of my privacy concerns, she became a bit aloof and started treating this as a more professional relationship. She didn't open up too much for us to get close. The one time she opened up was when she was a bit drunk. I believe that if we had emotionally connected, the sex would have happened automatically.

I wouldn't go into details of the two times we had sex, but it was good and she was engaged then. I didn't push for more sex. I hate it when the girl feels forced to do it (same reason why I hate going to WGs).

The End

So there you have it folks. My dating tour in full glory. It ended with a dud, but I still enjoyed the trip.

I hope I didn't bore you all with too many details, but I felt that I needed to contribute enough details for a newbie (like me) to understand what goes behind the scenes, apart from the details about sex and the girls.

I will post one final part to summarize and make some general comments / themes and my learnings.

[Intelligencium]

Every girl I told the money I pay for premium had their pop out of their heads too. Most of them assumed premium would be like 10 per month or so away max.

This is what I know. Their eyes pop out of their heads when they hear what I pay a month, most have no clue. Of course this topic only comes up once we've met and seen each other a handful of timed. In my experience they don't want to talk about the site and frankly neither do I. I also know there's a little icon next to your profile and they also "feature" you or something like that for basically free but only for a short time where I think you need to pay extra with the premium account. Does it work? I can say I get a lot more hits when I'm featured but frankly I'm so picky that I'm not interested in most. But the traffic is definitely there. I also find I get a lot more traffic when I'm not hiding my face but I generally don't do that unless I'm down to my last week or so and aren't finding any keepers.

The hottest / best girls are inundated with messages and they generally aren't the ones that make first contact. It's still up to you to be witty / charming / attractive whatever.