Seeking Arrangements

[Travel902]

Just wanted to thanks you guys for sharing your stories and experiences using SA.

I come from a small city in Canada so there is not a lot going on here in what I am looking for (Asian) on SA. At the present moment there are only 3 active Asian women in my city or within 100 miles and at my winter home in Mexico there are none! I did have a nice time with a young university student last year, I just love the way they take care of you.

That being said, I have been planning a trip to China but I guess I will put that on hold until this virus settles down. I have made contact with a few women in Hong Kong recently, lining up a few to visit while I am there. In our conversations most of them saying they enjoy making investments but none of them pushing me to invest which is strange. I have figured out almost all of them are living in mainland China but have a HK area code.

Thanks for sharing and I will contribute where and when I can.

Travel.

[Midwestern]

I got the paid membership for the site couple of days back and it's been quiet an experience.

I get 10's of chicks from Venezuela and ever a few in US that want money for nude pics and videos. That's a pass, why would I pay money when so much is on the internet for free.

I haven't met anyone for lunch / dinner yet but looks like every one wants $500 per meeting one even wanted $1000 for each meeting and $5000 monthly, I'm not paying that kind of money.

There was one that wanted $200 to see me. She looked liked a hooker to begin with.

Then there was one that had the pictures of a beautiful blonde European girl but asked me to send gas money so she can come see me. Smelled like a scam from a mile away. Another one wanted me to send her $30 so she knows I'm serious. Waste of time. But that shows me there are guys falling for these scams.

Someone commented that average girl has a pretty short lifespan on SA, I agree with that.

I contacted and chatted with hundreds of SBs over a 20 month period. Maybe I chatted with a 1000. I ended up only agreeing to meet 50-100, and then eventually hooked up with 23-25. That's not bad. That's hooking up with a non-pro hottie more than once per month. About half of them became regulars that lasted for a few months. Again, not bad. But it was like a full time job. I was on SA for hours every day to find these few gems. So, gems are out there, but it takes time.

I look for genuine stories on SA. Examples include the bored 23 year old recent college graduate who moved back in with her parents, or the nanny that needs extra income to pay her rent in a big city, or the graduate student who is tired on living on a limited budget, or the person who quit her job to start a new business. Stuff like that.

I also avoided SBs that were SA members for longer than a few months. Those SBs have become jaded and are pretty much pros now IMHO.

The profiles that just said, "SB wants to be spoiled by her SD" or "Just want to have fun" are ones that I just passed over. This is mostly because I was looking for semi-genuine GFE.

Good luck.

[PilotPaul]

I haven't met anyone for lunch / dinner yet but looks like every one wants $500 per meeting one even wanted $1000 for each meeting and $5000 monthly, I'm not paying that kind of money.

Sounds like you are getting the entire gambit of claims. You can set filters on your messages which will ignore messages from girls more than Xx KMs away. That solves your Venezuelan problemo.

Think of the ridiculously high prices for virgin Japanese hillside wagyu beef hand raised by virgin heoibikuni as being on your favourite restaurant menu. It's reassuring to hear your 'venue' has high priced items but nobody is buying it. It simply serves to drag up the lower end prices.

Just remember it is the internet, be willing to block the obvious scams and put your mind the your defined target. Be sure to be specific about what you are seeking.

PP.

[Luminous]

I got the paid membership for the site couple of days back and it's been quiet an experience.

I get 10's of chicks from Venezuela and ever a few in US that want money for nude pics and videos. That's a pass, why would I pay money when so much is on the internet for free.

I haven't met anyone for lunch / dinner yet but looks like every one wants $500 per meeting one even wanted $1000 for each meeting and $5000 monthly, I'm not paying that kind of money.

There was one that wanted $200 to see me. She looked liked a hooker to begin with.

Then there was one that had the pictures of a beautiful blonde European girl but asked me to send gas money so she can come see me. Smelled like a scam from a mile away. Another one wanted me to send her $30 so she knows I'm serious. Waste of time. But that shows me there are guys falling for these scams.

Someone commented that average girl has a pretty short lifespan on SA, I agree with that.

[PilotPaul]

I entirely second that. Any girl that is that demanding and disrespectful will be a handful. And you are unlikely to get a good experience. No matter how much you pay her, it will not be enough. We are not looking for high maintainace girls who behave like cheap hookers.

It is amazing how many newbies there are on SA that fill this above profile. Girls join the site expecting that guys will be sending cash gifts there way just because they are girls. There may be the 0. 01% of SB that the stories / blogs get written about. These girls are stunners and performers I am sure.

For the majority of girls that join they need to accept that it's going to be cash for sex.

It would be interesting to know the SA stats on average life of a girl profile. So many seem to go dormant after 2-3 days and never come back.

Here's a SA protip. Did you know you can get a new profile with someone else's valid email address? If you think that a girl has blocked you, go to your incognito browser window, register a new account using the enquiry address of your local tyre shop or some other random but valid address ie elonm@tesla.com or sales@mytyreshop.co.uk . Then hit SKIP on all of the profile setup. You can now search profiles as needed. As long as you keep this incognito browser open, the login stays. Presumably the email will get the confirmation email into spam or ignore.

PP.

[Akibono]

Steve covered this already and his advice is spot on! But my gosh I have to be a second voice to seriously emphasize what we have been saying for a while now, that you should not be paying to meet the girl! Nothing! That is extremely bad practice. You can't put the girl in the driver's seat. She wants what's in your wallet and you want what's in her pants. Neither has a higher value (unless you assign a higher value to it). In all honesty, if she wants to compare how much time is worth, then in most cases they should be paying us. Comparing a professional's rate per hour to a college (or fresh out of college) girl's pay rate easily shows that our time is worth more (example: a consultant making 250/ HR compared to single mom / college girl making 20/ HR.). Just saying.

I personally don't allow much direction from the girl early on. I pick the initial venues for safety, etc. After I know her a bit, I don't mind going to places that she likes. I had one girl that I was getting along with great and we were supposed to meet for lunch. I probably would have been banging her that night. We were supposed to meet at 1 pm. She texted me, "Call me an uber at 1230". What? LOL. No request? Not "Can you call me an uber?" (I would have). I don't take kindly to demands. I probably suffer from having too many choices and attention on SA, but I cut her at that moment. No questions, no response, nothing. Move on to the next girl that I actually called an Uber for because she asked very nicely. LOL. My tolerance is almost nonexistent for demands, rudeness, greedy requests, or anything that's generally not nice. IMHO, we need to meet respectfully in the middle. After we decide to take the arrangement path, then we can have a great time as long as the benefits continue to flow freely in both directions. WIth that being said, I don't mind calling Uber to bring the girls to me. They usually like the gesture and it starts the communion on the right foot, but that is the most out of pocket that should be spent with an initial M&G IMHO..

I entirely second that. Any girl that is that demanding and disrespectful will be a handful. And you are unlikely to get a good experience. No matter how much you pay her, it will not be enough. We are not looking for high maintainace girls who behave like cheap hookers.

[LshRoomer]

Agree with MW. Not sure what Vendelo was saying about giving $200 for a meet and greet. Definitely super bad practice and not advised, nor necessary. Any girl that wants money up front is a hard pass. If they ask for CashApp upfront that's an instablock.

As MW says you can offer to pay her Uber or better yet send her one (burner phone helps here too) but this is not expected or must do. Most girls when I've offered that have been pleasantly surprised.

Steve covered this already and his advice is spot on! But my gosh I have to be a second voice to seriously emphasize what we have been saying for a while now, that you should not be paying to meet the girl! Nothing! That is extremely bad practice. You can't put the girl in the driver's seat. She wants what's in your wallet and you want what's in her pants. Neither has a higher value (unless you assign a higher value to it). In all honesty, if she wants to compare how much time is worth, then in most cases they should be paying us. Comparing a professional's rate per hour to a college (or fresh out of college) girl's pay rate easily shows that our time is worth more (example: a consultant making 250/ HR compared to single mom / college girl making 20/ HR.). Just saying.

I personally don't allow much direction from the girl early on. I pick the initial venues for safety, etc. After I know her a bit, I don't mind going to places that she likes. I had one girl that I was getting along with great and we were supposed to meet for lunch. I probably would have been banging her that night. We were supposed to meet at 1 pm. She texted me, "Call me an uber at 1230". What? LOL. No request? Not "Can you call me an uber?" (I would have). I don't take kindly to demands. I probably suffer from having too many choices and attention on SA, but I cut her at that moment. No questions, no response, nothing. Move on to the next girl that I actually called an Uber for because she asked very nicely. LOL. My tolerance is almost nonexistent for demands, rudeness, greedy requests, or anything that's generally not nice. IMHO, we need to meet respectfully in the middle. After we decide to take the arrangement path, then we can have a great time as long as the benefits continue to flow freely in both directions. WIth that being said, I don't mind calling Uber to bring the girls to me. They usually like the gesture and it starts the communion on the right foot, but that is the most out of pocket that should be spent with an initial M&G IMHO.

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[LshRoomer]

I use the Hushed app. It's a phone number. You can use it for calling or for texting. It used to be clunky, but now it's great. Girls call and text me on it all the time, and they think it's my real cell phone number.

I didn't know about Hushed. That's a good option.

Another option to consider is Google Voice. I have used this in the US and just like MW, you have a real number, with an area code that you can choose (if you told the girl you are from a certain city, etc). I have been able to call / text just like normal and as I have stated before, it is linked to my monger email account that I can ghost at any moment. Keep your options open.

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[Gentleman Travel]

I've been trying to see if I can meet recruit a SB without resorting to SA. Maybe it's just a prejudice or my imagination, but I am concerned that girls off SA will be too professional or expect too much $$ I am kind of a "Sugar Daddy Lite"....

In the two weeks or so of doing this I have had a handful of responses, some reasonably direct about compensation. Generally I have not been too aggressive or direct in my responses on the theory that these girls are not escorts and some may be shy talking about money. Ex-SB thinks I'm wrong and need to close the deal more quickly before the girls get swamped with other messages, as they tend to on Tinder.

At first I was getting almost no interest on Bumble, which you may know is different in that the girl has to make the first contact. So you're kind of helpless there. But then, after two weeks, I suddenly got a small crop of responses there and at least two excellent prospects. I have now met with those two prospects who are basically a 7 (okay cute, big tits but also not slender) and an 8 (pretty and slender but modest tits). I've had explicit discussions with them about expectations about prices and service (BBBJ) and we've agreed on $250 per meeting, which I think is a pretty good price and may eventually include them hosting. The 8 has had SDs before but the 7 has not.

I have not test-driven either of them yet, just had drinks on a patio, but should bag one later this week and the other early next week. So I will see how this all works out. And GOD, it's a relief from the boredom of lockdown!

Oh, and after I had connected with both these Bumble girls off-line, my profile on Bumble got tagged and taken down. Now I am shut out of that particular honey-pot. So it's a good thing I migrated off the site when I did!

Just to follow up on my earlier report. I have now test-driven the 8 from Bumble and it was quite a good experience. She was even cuter than I remembered (so verging on a 9) and was eager to get down to business when we met.

Maybe even a little too eager. I like to take things slowly to let the excitement build. But she was keen to get naked and start blowing me, so who am I to complain? Originally we were going to have to postpone our date because she got her period, but after gently suggesting that I would be open to an all-oral encounter, she eagerly agreed! Some girl just feel awful during their period and some girls get extra horny. She is the latter.

So she blew me to completion (CIM) but I don't think she swallowed. I didn't insist, this time.

Then she decided that her period was not so serious at the time, so for the second round I fucked her and she blew me before and after. So that was nice.

All this for $250, so that was a pretty good deal.

All the same, it felt a little bit escorty, which took some of the romance out of it. But all the same, it was a pretty good GFE combined with her doing whatever I wanted, so again, who's to complain?

Bizarrely, she seems to have a good job, has a car, her own apartment, etc, so why she is fucking an old guy like me for a few hundred bucks every few weeks, is a bit of a mystery. She may have another SD or two, but cannot be doing this too often, because her job is pretty demanding. So she is not a real escort with clients every day. Just me and maybe another guy a couple of time a month.

Anyway, I've experienced this before, so I just accept it without understanding.

Banging Bumble#2 later this week. Will see how that goes.

[Steve 9696]

You don't have to give $200 for the first M&G. Some gals ask for it, but just move to the next gal. Sometimes, I might say okay to $40, because maybe they have to pay for their Uber, but not often, since I tell them to suggest a meeting spot near them. If you pay $200 for M&G, then jeezus, what would they want for PPM?

Agree with MW. Not sure what Vendelo was saying about giving $200 for a meet and greet. Definitely super bad practice and not advised, nor necessary. Any girl that wants money up front is a hard pass. If they ask for CashApp upfront that's an instablock.

As MW says you can offer to pay her Uber or better yet send her one (burner phone helps here too) but this is not expected or must do. Most girls when I've offered that have been pleasantly surprised.

[Gussy]

No problem, I was just thinking I was missing out.

I have previously had a one week subscription from SA. Their signup process had made me a "sugarbabe" instead of a sugardaddy, My subscription price was USD20 for a month which I paid before realizing the problem. SA customer service switched my profile and rather than refund the $$ they gave me a 7 day subscription as a SD.

The way out of your subscription is to go into your Account settings / Subscription and just removed the autorenewal. I always suggest deleting or card details also.

PP.

Thanks brother.

[Midwestern]

So you would give a $200 allowance for the first M & G, without any actions? Wow, this is the USA. I am so used to the FKK scene in Europe. For $200, I could bang a hot chic at FKK Globe in Zurich a la public sex style.

With all the current EU travel bans against Americans, I now have no choice but to learn how to play in the USA.

You don't have to give $200 for the first M&G. Some gals ask for it, but just move to the next gal. Sometimes, I might say okay to $40, because maybe they have to pay for their Uber, but not often, since I tell them to suggest a meeting spot near them. If you pay $200 for M&G, then jeezus, what would they want for PPM?

[Midwestern]

My experience is that most women in US want phone numbers so a messaging app is not useful.

I use the Hushed app. It's a phone number. You can use it for calling or for texting. It used to be clunky, but now it's great. Girls call and text me on it all the time, and they think it's my real cell phone number.

[Nounce]

There is an alternative to a burner phone. I have used the KIK app to communicate with the girls. It's anonymous I think.

My experience is that most women in US want phone numbers so a messaging app is not useful.

[DiverOyster]

Best to just do it when traveling. Two big problems locally finding a place to meet up that is discreet and if you book the hotel it will have your name and probsbly address on it. Better to stick to traveling only. Might consider locally an advanced skill if at all.

If you are a girl enthusiast then having a burner phone is pretty much a must. Treat it like a live grenade tho. Never use your real name with a girl ever. At least that's my advise if you have something to lose.

There is an alternative to a burner phone. I have used the KIK app to communicate with the girls. It's anonymous I think.