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400 isn't the equilibrium price for the entire market. I am just saying that if every girl in a LOCAL market is quoting the same price, then that's probably the equilibrium price of the local market. In SF, the equilibrium price was 500 a few years ago when I was active in SF. Some girls quoted 400, but they were on the wrong side of being a 7. Some girls quoted higher than 500, but eventually, they couldn't get enough action and most came down to 500 or disappeared. In other cities, the equilibrium price will usually be lower. For example, in Portland, OR, it seemed like the equilibrium price was 300. In Las Vegas, the price was also 300 from what I recall.
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In my local market $500 is the quoted price but it's the inclusions for this that varies. Some girls will do overnight for $500, some all afternoon, some will be 2 hours for $500. I had one girls that would travel with me for $500 per week. Some will have zero flexibility with $500 others will totally accommodate for $500.
In considering the 'price' it means nothing without also consider the service. Within their peer groups, the girls may say they get $500 per week but maybe they are not so specific on what each of them does for $500.
In considering opening offers, $500 maybe the price point but you could always increase her performance requirements to sex twice per week etc.
It's the girls that say $500 per meet for two hours are the ones I avoid as there is no upside.
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Originally Posted by LshRoomer
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I'm hoping 400 isn't the new norm. This sounds like it's creeping slowly towards $500 and I just have something against a half grand for a night of fun. I probably spend 500 in total, but that includes the food, drinks, cabs, etc, not cash directly to the girl.
That 300 number is my sweet spot personally or I try to work out something that's a bit non traditional. When I'm in a new city, I would tell the SB that I'll be in her city very often meaning weeks at a time, therefore I need a weekly price, don't hit me with this PPM shit. This approach has been a winner and it gets them out of the mentality of wanting cash every time we meet. I have had good deals that weren't fully cash based and they were great. Note: I have never been able to pull this off in the US.
Have any of you guys been able to work out trade or anything with an SB that wasn't simply cash for ass.
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400 isn't the equilibrium price for the entire market. I am just saying that if every girl in a LOCAL market is quoting the same price, then that's probably the equilibrium price of the local market. In SF, the equilibrium price was 500 a few years ago when I was active in SF. Some girls quoted 400, but they were on the wrong side of being a 7. Some girls quoted higher than 500, but eventually, they couldn't get enough action and most came down to 500 or disappeared. In other cities, the equilibrium price will usually be lower. For example, in Portland, OR, it seemed like the equilibrium price was 300. In Las Vegas, the price was also 300 from what I recall.
Of the 23-25 SBs that I had, about half were NOT pay for play. For them, I just paid for everything, such as food, drinks, hotels, trips, etc. None of those gals ever asked for money. A couple of gals were PPM for the first time, but they had pretty fun time with me and so they said I didn't have to pay them anymore, but this only happened maybe 2-3 times. But I was a pretty easy going, relatively fit, and decent looking guy back then. In a matter of only a few years, my age has suddenly caught up with me (for example, half my hair is white now, but back then I didn't have any white hair, and I now suddenly have a ton of wrinkles), and so I doubt I could score a non-PPM gal on SA anymore.
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Cellphones for sex
Originally Posted by LshRoomer
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I'm hoping 400 isn't the new norm. This sounds like it's creeping slowly towards $500 and I just have something against a half grand for a night of fun. I probably spend 500 in total, but that includes the food, drinks, cabs, etc, not cash directly to the girl.
That 300 number is my sweet spot personally or I try to work out something that's a bit non traditional. When I'm in a new city, I would tell the SB that I'll be in her city very often meaning weeks at a time, therefore I need a weekly price, don't hit me with this PPM shit. This approach has been a winner and it gets them out of the mentality of wanting cash every time we meet. I have had good deals that weren't fully cash based and they were great. Note: I have never been able to pull this off in the US.
Have any of you guys been able to work out trade or anything with an SB that wasn't simply cash for ass.
Oh, and cellphones. If you are travelling to countries with heavy import duties or crappy marketplaces, lots of girls will want cellphones. Depending on the difference between prices in your country and hers, this can be quite a good deal. Pick up a refurbished iPhone and bring it along with you and it looks like you are giving her an $800 present, but probably cost you half that. Plus there may be a prestige factor for her, because that phone isn't available in her country. Plus she can show it off to her family and girlfriends "my new boyfriend gave this to me" - she can't really do that with the $400 you gave her instead. And now I recall, that was the deal with my Colombian girl in my preceding post. She asked me to bring her a cellphone, which I gave her after a few days of fucking, so I didn't get stuck giving a phone for a one-night stand. She was in heaven!
But generally, other stuff you give (Other than trips, which benefit you) are generally going to be more expensive than just giving cash. And I think it's stupid buying perfume in the airport duty free, although that's what many girls ask for. But cash is always more useful to a 3rd world girl. But it may be more pleasant for you and for her to simply have these presents instead of cold cash.
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Other than cash
Originally Posted by LshRoomer
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I'm hoping 400 isn't the new norm. This sounds like it's creeping slowly towards $500 and I just have something against a half grand for a night of fun. I probably spend 500 in total, but that includes the food, drinks, cabs, etc, not cash directly to the girl.
That 300 number is my sweet spot personally or I try to work out something that's a bit non traditional. When I'm in a new city, I would tell the SB that I'll be in her city very often meaning weeks at a time, therefore I need a weekly price, don't hit me with this PPM shit. This approach has been a winner and it gets them out of the mentality of wanting cash every time we meet. I have had good deals that weren't fully cash based and they were great. Note: I have never been able to pull this off in the US.
Have any of you guys been able to work out trade or anything with an SB that wasn't simply cash for ass.
Certainly I have had girls travel with me. I brought an unknown Ukrainian girl to France (a success) and another to Turkey (disaster). The Colombian girl I dated (for the 2 weeks I was there) did not expect daily $$, but we had wild evenings out and I must have given her some kind of spending money. But later she joined me on a vacation in Colombia and I don't think I gave her any cash for that, just paid all the expenses and provided her with some adventures.
The Ukrainian girl I took to France. I guess I should say "lady" because she was 40 - was the oldest woman I've dated like this. Normally they are more like 20-25, with some up to 30. Certainly I didn't pay her anything but of course the trip was expensive. Despite her advanced years she was always the best looking woman (dressed very nicely, too, of course) in any restaurant or tour we were on. So my eyes were never wandering and we were perfectly comfortable walking arm in arm all the time, whereas sometimes it is a bit awkward with a really young girl.
One hometown (Canadian city) sugar baby I had come visit me in while I was on a business trip to Montreal. I must have paid her expenses, but I don't think she asked for a per meeting fee. She took the train for two hours, wearing only sexy lingerie underneath her trenchcoat, so she could unveil herself as soon as she entered my hotel room. She had been working herself up to a great state of horniness, being half-naked on the train. Then she insisted wearing something quite risque when we went out for dinner, and stopped to kiss often in the street and at the restaurant, so clearly she was getting as much out of the experience as I was! You meet all kinds.
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I'm hoping this isn't the case
Originally Posted by Midwestern
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Simple laws of supply and demand means there will be an equilibrium price. So, if everyone is quoting 400, then that's probably the equilibrium price where the market clears. It'll be hard to find lower prices, but they can be found. Sometimes though, you get what you pay for, if you know what I mean.
Steve, expanding your search to include older SBs isn't necessarily a bad thing. I met some that were in their 40's. I don't think I had any bad experiences. In fact, most were amazing in the sack, and most provided genuine GFE. But they are a bit less fun, that's all.
Yeah, I also noticed the short latinas when I was active on SA. But after having been with gals just shy of 5 feet, I set my filter to 5 feet 2.
I'm hoping 400 isn't the new norm. This sounds like it's creeping slowly towards $500 and I just have something against a half grand for a night of fun. I probably spend 500 in total, but that includes the food, drinks, cabs, etc, not cash directly to the girl.
That 300 number is my sweet spot personally or I try to work out something that's a bit non traditional. When I'm in a new city, I would tell the SB that I'll be in her city very often meaning weeks at a time, therefore I need a weekly price, don't hit me with this PPM shit. This approach has been a winner and it gets them out of the mentality of wanting cash every time we meet. I have had good deals that weren't fully cash based and they were great. Note: I have never been able to pull this off in the US.
Have any of you guys been able to work out trade or anything with an SB that wasn't simply cash for ass.
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Originally Posted by Midwestern
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I've had a few small gals. On the one hand, you feel huge and awesome, not just dick size huge, but you feel like a massive person, so it's kind of a turn on. On the other hand, you feel like you're fucking a toy, LOL.
I think I like small girls. I say "think" because I have never had a less than 5' girl but I have had plenty of 5'2 or 5'3 girls and I love the difference in stature. As long as their ass fits right on my dick when I'm grinding on her from the back, then we are good to go. It's definitely a turn on.
Personally my sweet spot is 5'5 or 5'6 with nice tits and thin (not skinny) body. "Thin" in this case meaning athletic (jeans size 3 or 4. 2 can be a bit small, I need hips to grab), nice ass, normal abs, and taking care of yourself, not simply "not fat" because you are young and your bad habits haven't caught up with you.
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Small gals
Originally Posted by Steve9696
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Just got pinged by another 4-9 Latina. WTF? Am I on the digs tiny Latinas playlist? This is just too strange.
Good news is I am set to meet one of them at her place Wednesday. She's clearly fairly pro. And oh BTW, biggest tell if she is a pro is she calls you "hun" or "love". LOL. Seems consistent.
I've had a few small gals. On the one hand, you feel huge and awesome, not just dick size huge, but you feel like a massive person, so it's kind of a turn on. On the other hand, you feel like you're fucking a toy, LOL.
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Originally Posted by Jckgmn
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Once one guy pays $400, girls will try to make $400 the going rate. These girls talk to each other, just like we do. Girls do equate their self worth w the amount they get. They also compete w each other. If one gets $350, her friend (and competitor) wants $400 for bragging rights and to establish her place in the female hierarchy. Keeping an SB is a lot of work. The increased drama comes w a lower, albeit regular and reliable allowance (if they treat their guy well).
In short, the increased rate is caused by other guys providing too much cash to these girls. Wait for the market to put things back in perspective. Giving in means you accept the change.
Girls talk to each other in FKKs or brothels. They talk to each other if they know other sugarbabes. If you are logging in as a sugar babe seeking sugar daddy, you are not able to see the profile of other sugar babes nor contact them. I don't know how you think all the sugar babes talk to each other, and how they come to know about the money you paid to another sugar babe. If they already happened to know each other, yes, then they would.
In the city I live, there are literally hundreds listed at any given time actively seeking, in the white, slim, 20-30 age category. They are scattered throughout the greater metro area and into the suburbs. I know for a fact that very few of them know each other.
And no, there is no market. One of the frustrating things about sugar babe business is precisely that many girls have no clear clue what is the market. Some real pretty girls ask relatively cheap amounts and some so so hags ask for 350 or 400. If they have another friend who has been a sugarbabe in the past, the new girl may have an idea what to expect. Otherwise, they are just randomly guessing. I also had sugar babes who asked for 300 or 350 but ended up accepting 200 to 250. If you are patient, nice but firm, and negotiate gently, you will get good deals.
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Law of one price, older SBs, and short latinas
Simple laws of supply and demand means there will be an equilibrium price. So, if everyone is quoting 400, then that's probably the equilibrium price where the market clears. It'll be hard to find lower prices, but they can be found. Sometimes though, you get what you pay for, if you know what I mean.
Steve, expanding your search to include older SBs isn't necessarily a bad thing. I met some that were in their 40's. I don't think I had any bad experiences. In fact, most were amazing in the sack, and most provided genuine GFE. But they are a bit less fun, that's all.
Yeah, I also noticed the short latinas when I was active on SA. But after having been with gals just shy of 5 feet, I set my filter to 5 feet 2.
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WTF it's a Trend!
Originally Posted by Steve9696
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Well I've been struggling a bit locally. Met one girl for lunch but she was a newbie and got cold feet the next day. Lesson: Stick to evening meetups and close the deal that night.
After struggling I widened my filter to wider age range and OK with kids. Much more active last couple days. Four girls looking quite likely (with age and kid downsides). But here's the funny thing two are under 5 ft Latinas. One 4-9 and the other 4-10. Not kidding. WTF? A rush on tiny Latinas! They both seem DTF. One more a pro. One sorta new but not shy.
Oh and $400 keeps emerging as "the price". It's kinda funny actually like there is price fixing!
Just got pinged by another 4-9 Latina. WTF? Am I on the digs tiny Latinas playlist? This is just too strange.
Good news is I am set to meet one of them at her place Wednesday. She's clearly fairly pro. And oh BTW, biggest tell if she is a pro is she calls you "hun" or "love". LOL. Seems consistent.
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The market
Originally Posted by Steve9696
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Well I've been struggling a bit locally. Met one girl for lunch but she was a newbie and got cold feet the next day. Lesson: Stick to evening meetups and close the deal that night.
After struggling I widened my filter to wider age range and OK with kids. Much more active last couple days. Four girls looking quite likely (with age and kid downsides). But here's the funny thing two are under 5 ft Latinas. One 4-9 and the other 4-10. Not kidding. WTF? A rush on tiny Latinas! They both seem DTF. One more a pro. One sorta new but not shy.
Oh and $400 keeps emerging as "the price". It's kinda funny actually like there is price fixing!
Once one guy pays $400, girls will try to make $400 the going rate. These girls talk to each other, just like we do. Girls do equate their self worth w the amount they get. They also compete w each other. If one gets $350, her friend (and competitor) wants $400 for bragging rights and to establish her place in the female hierarchy. Keeping an SB is a lot of work. The increased drama comes w a lower, albeit regular and reliable allowance (if they treat their guy well).
In short, the increased rate is caused by other guys providing too much cash to these girls. Wait for the market to put things back in perspective. Giving in means you accept the change.
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Originally Posted by Travel902
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That being said, I have been planning a trip to China but I guess I will put that on hold until this virus settles down. I have made contact with a few women in Hong Kong recently, lining up a few to visit while I am there. In our conversations most of them saying they enjoy making investments but none of them pushing me to invest which is strange. I have figured out almost all of them are living in mainland China but have a HK area code.
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Sorry to suggest this, but all of the chinese women that purport to be 'investors' are out to scam you. It's easy to get phone numbers from anywhere and use whatsapp. If you consider that wechat is the mainland China communications app of choice why they using whatsapp? To avoid being monitored. The girls even say that hey don't have Whatsapp. Which is unlikely. Sadly these 'investment' girls are just playing the love scam for fraud.
That being said there are millions of beautiful asian and chinese girls who are worthy of pursuit. For me, I love the cute things they wear or the way they will tie their hair etc.
For the next year though, we have to find avenues closer to home. Can I suggest you broaden your search from "asian" to "mixed". Perhaps their are girls of mixed heritage that will still have those wonderful asian eyes.
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Bizarre Influx!
Well I've been struggling a bit locally. Met one girl for lunch but she was a newbie and got cold feet the next day. Lesson: Stick to evening meetups and close the deal that night.
After struggling I widened my filter to wider age range and OK with kids. Much more active last couple days. Four girls looking quite likely (with age and kid downsides). But here's the funny thing — two are under 5 ft Latinas. One 4-9 and the other 4-10. Not kidding. WTF? A rush on tiny Latinas! They both seem DTF. One more a pro. One sorta new but not shy.
Oh and $400 keeps emerging as "the price". It's kinda funny actually like there is price fixing!
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Seeking
Just wanted to thanks you guys for sharing your stories and experiences using SA.
I come from a small city in Canada so there is not a lot going on here in what I am looking for (Asian) on SA. At the present moment there are only 3 active Asian women in my city or within 100 miles and at my winter home in Mexico there are none! I did have a nice time with a young university student last year, I just love the way they take care of you.
That being said, I have been planning a trip to China but I guess I will put that on hold until this virus settles down. I have made contact with a few women in Hong Kong recently, lining up a few to visit while I am there. In our conversations most of them saying they enjoy making investments but none of them pushing me to invest which is strange. I have figured out almost all of them are living in mainland China but have a HK area code.
Thanks for sharing and I will contribute where and when I can.
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Spend some time to find the needles in the haystack
Originally Posted by Luminous
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I got the paid membership for the site couple of days back and it's been quiet an experience.
I get 10's of chicks from Venezuela and ever a few in US that want money for nude pics and videos. That's a pass, why would I pay money when so much is on the internet for free.
I haven't met anyone for lunch / dinner yet but looks like every one wants $500 per meeting one even wanted $1000 for each meeting and $5000 monthly, I'm not paying that kind of money.
There was one that wanted $200 to see me. She looked liked a hooker to begin with.
Then there was one that had the pictures of a beautiful blonde European girl but asked me to send gas money so she can come see me. Smelled like a scam from a mile away. Another one wanted me to send her $30 so she knows I'm serious. Waste of time. But that shows me there are guys falling for these scams.
Someone commented that average girl has a pretty short lifespan on SA, I agree with that.
I contacted and chatted with hundreds of SBs over a 20 month period. Maybe I chatted with a 1000. I ended up only agreeing to meet 50-100, and then eventually hooked up with 23-25. That's not bad. That's hooking up with a non-pro hottie more than once per month. About half of them became regulars that lasted for a few months. Again, not bad. But it was like a full time job. I was on SA for hours every day to find these few gems. So, gems are out there, but it takes time.
I look for genuine stories on SA. Examples include the bored 23 year old recent college graduate who moved back in with her parents, or the nanny that needs extra income to pay her rent in a big city, or the graduate student who is tired on living on a limited budget, or the person who quit her job to start a new business. Stuff like that.
I also avoided SBs that were SA members for longer than a few months. Those SBs have become jaded and are pretty much pros now IMHO.
The profiles that just said, "SB wants to be spoiled by her SD" or "Just want to have fun" are ones that I just passed over. This is mostly because I was looking for semi-genuine GFE.
Good luck.
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