Seeking Arrangements

[DiverOyster]

In my local market $500 is the quoted price but it's the inclusions for this that varies. Some girls will do overnight for $500, some all afternoon, some will be 2 hours for $500. I had one girls that would travel with me for $500 per week. Some will have zero flexibility with $500 others will totally accommodate for $500.

In considering the 'price' it means nothing without also consider the service. Within their peer groups, the girls may say they get $500 per week but maybe they are not so specific on what each of them does for $500.

In considering opening offers, $500 maybe the price point but you could always increase her performance requirements to sex twice per week etc.

It's the girls that say $500 per meet for two hours are the ones I avoid as there is no upside.

PP.

Agreed. In my market, I have been quoted anywhere from $300 to $1,000 PPM. However, the number of hours included in a PPM varies from girl to girl. It's best to clarity the PPM's "number of hours" with your chic so there won't be any surprise. One chic told me for $300, she will spend 1-2 hours in the hotel. Another chic told me for $400, it's dinner and then about 1. 5 hours in hotel.

SA is so different from FKK Globe, which is my pre-COVID playground. Each chic on SA sets her own price and rules. I can't assume anything. I will have to clarify with each chic the specifics of the arrangement.

[DiverOyster]

So I've gone from nearly batting 1000 to batting like a chump in the last two encounters. And they had a common thread. You may recall Courtney very nice vibe. Real pics. Girlfriendy. Arrange a meetup. And when I show she says she needs CashApp to get there. Damn. An anomaly?

A couple days ago I found a girl. Nice enough but clearly a pro. Says she can host. We text a little. Agree to meetup. She gives me the road she lives on a day or so ahead and it's a pretty nice area. Slight alert there. Then we are to meetup today. I tell her I am on my way and she gives me the house number. Arrive but need a unit number. I now have a text oh did we talk about how I need CashApp because I've been burned before? NO we did not fucking talk about that or I wouldn't have driven over here you be*tch!

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.

A scammer for sure Steve. Report her profile to SA. SA is very responsive. I think they try hard to weed out the scammers.

The chics who mention CashApp are all scammers. Heck, there may not be even a chic behind the profile.

[HarvestBoi]

I think it's stories like this that keep me off of SA despite its allure. I've noticed this about me: a negative encounter has a stronger, longer lasting effect on me than a positive one. So something like this would knock me off the game for quite a while. I have a limit to how much aggravation and humiliation even I'm willing to endure for the sake of pussy. I used to see a legendary escort locally, centerfold quality looks and solid GFE / PSE service. She 'retired' but agreed to continue seeing me. When it was on it was as good as anything I had in Brazil. But I finally had to cut her loose because she would flake spectacularly every 4-5 encounters. Those flaky times, her way of staying in control, eventually blotted out the pleasure of the good times.

So I've gone from nearly batting 1000 to batting like a chump in the last two encounters. And they had a common thread. You may recall Courtney very nice vibe. Real pics. Girlfriendy. Arrange a meetup. And when I show she says she needs CashApp to get there. Damn. An anomaly?

A couple days ago I found a girl. Nice enough but clearly a pro. Says she can host. We text a little. Agree to meetup. She gives me the road she lives on a day or so ahead and it's a pretty nice area. Slight alert there. Then we are to meetup today. I tell her I am on my way and she gives me the house number. Arrive but need a unit number. I now have a text oh did we talk about how I need CashApp because I've been burned before? NO we did not fucking talk about that or I wouldn't have driven over here you be*tch!

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.

[Elvis 2008]

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.

Steve,

There are two kinds of people who use. Those who bat 1.000 and those like you who tell the truth. I am so glad to see that you are in the latter group.

I have a 10 in Brazil who is promising the world, and I cannot for the life of me tell if she is playing me or is a dream come true. Usually, I can put odds on this and say "There is a 90% chance she is full of it. " but with her, I am still at 50-50. If she comes through though, that is why we play the game. You do not hit home runs by playing it safe. To find the trifecta, a beautiful woman with a fun personality who is great in the sack takes a lot of time, energy, and money. There is no short cut, and that is why when you hit the trifecta, it is so great in this game. It is what guys who just pay for sex do not get.

[PilotPaul]

So I've gone from nearly batting 1000 to batting like a chump in the last two encounters. And they had a common thread. You may recall Courtney very nice vibe. Real pics. Girlfriendy. Arrange a meetup. And when I show she says she needs CashApp to get there. Damn. An anomaly?

A couple days ago I found a girl. Nice enough but clearly a pro. Says she can host. We text a little. Agree to meetup. She gives me the road she lives on a day or so ahead and it's a pretty nice area. Slight alert there. Then we are to meetup today. I tell her I am on my way and she gives me the house number. Arrive but need a unit number. I now have a text oh did we talk about how I need CashApp because I've been burned before? NO we did not fucking talk about that or I wouldn't have driven over here you be*tch!

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.

Probably bother scammers, probably not even there.

[Midwestern]

That receptionist that I tried to make into "an arrangement" kept giving me the run-around. She kept making excuses to not meet. Eventually, I just told her that I won't bother her anymore. She replied something about how I'm selfish, or something like that. I didn't understand what she meant by that. I tried to be very accommodative regarding her schedule, and I even said that we could meet whenever she wanted, but she would let a week go by and never saying anything. So, I gave up. I guess you cannot make a girl into something that she didn't want to be in the first place. Also, I realize that I could have taken a different approach, but it needed to be an arrangement, because I did not want her to think this was a real relationship.

So I've gone from nearly batting 1000 to batting like a chump in the last two encounters. And they had a common thread. You may recall Courtney very nice vibe. Real pics. Girlfriendy. Arrange a meetup. And when I show she says she needs CashApp to get there. Damn. An anomaly?

A couple days ago I found a girl. Nice enough but clearly a pro. Says she can host. We text a little. Agree to meetup. She gives me the road she lives on a day or so ahead and it's a pretty nice area. Slight alert there. Then we are to meetup today. I tell her I am on my way and she gives me the house number. Arrive but need a unit number. I now have a text oh did we talk about how I need CashApp because I've been burned before? NO we did not fucking talk about that or I wouldn't have driven over here you be*tch!

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.

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[Steve 9696]

So I've gone from nearly batting 1000 to batting like a chump in the last two encounters. And they had a common thread. You may recall Courtney — very nice vibe. Real pics. Girlfriendy. Arrange a meetup. And when I show she says she needs CashApp to get there. Damn. An anomaly?

A couple days ago I found a girl. Nice enough but clearly a pro. Says she can host. We text a little. Agree to meetup. She gives me the road she lives on a day or so ahead and it's a pretty nice area. Slight alert there. Then we are to meetup today. I tell her I am on my way and she gives me the house number. Arrive but need a unit number. I now have a text — oh did we talk about how I need CashApp because I've been burned before? NO we did not fucking talk about that or I wouldn't have driven over here you be*tch!

WTF. Two very extensive catfishes with me driving to meetup. Feel like a total chump. Not quitting but damn that was discouraging. Just FYI it's not all roses. Even for a pro.

[PilotPaul]

400 isn't the equilibrium price for the entire market. I am just saying that if every girl in a LOCAL market is quoting the same price, then that's probably the equilibrium price of the local market. In SF, the equilibrium price was 500 a few years ago when I was active in SF. Some girls quoted 400, but they were on the wrong side of being a 7. Some girls quoted higher than 500, but eventually, they couldn't get enough action and most came down to 500 or disappeared. In other cities, the equilibrium price will usually be lower. For example, in Portland, OR, it seemed like the equilibrium price was 300. In Las Vegas, the price was also 300 from what I recall.
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In my local market $500 is the quoted price but it's the inclusions for this that varies. Some girls will do overnight for $500, some all afternoon, some will be 2 hours for $500. I had one girls that would travel with me for $500 per week. Some will have zero flexibility with $500 others will totally accommodate for $500.

In considering the 'price' it means nothing without also consider the service. Within their peer groups, the girls may say they get $500 per week but maybe they are not so specific on what each of them does for $500.

In considering opening offers, $500 maybe the price point but you could always increase her performance requirements to sex twice per week etc.

It's the girls that say $500 per meet for two hours are the ones I avoid as there is no upside.

PP.

[Midwestern]

I'm hoping 400 isn't the new norm. This sounds like it's creeping slowly towards $500 and I just have something against a half grand for a night of fun. I probably spend 500 in total, but that includes the food, drinks, cabs, etc, not cash directly to the girl.

That 300 number is my sweet spot personally or I try to work out something that's a bit non traditional. When I'm in a new city, I would tell the SB that I'll be in her city very often meaning weeks at a time, therefore I need a weekly price, don't hit me with this PPM shit. This approach has been a winner and it gets them out of the mentality of wanting cash every time we meet. I have had good deals that weren't fully cash based and they were great. Note: I have never been able to pull this off in the US.

Have any of you guys been able to work out trade or anything with an SB that wasn't simply cash for ass.

02.

400 isn't the equilibrium price for the entire market. I am just saying that if every girl in a LOCAL market is quoting the same price, then that's probably the equilibrium price of the local market. In SF, the equilibrium price was 500 a few years ago when I was active in SF. Some girls quoted 400, but they were on the wrong side of being a 7. Some girls quoted higher than 500, but eventually, they couldn't get enough action and most came down to 500 or disappeared. In other cities, the equilibrium price will usually be lower. For example, in Portland, OR, it seemed like the equilibrium price was 300. In Las Vegas, the price was also 300 from what I recall.

Of the 23-25 SBs that I had, about half were NOT pay for play. For them, I just paid for everything, such as food, drinks, hotels, trips, etc. None of those gals ever asked for money. A couple of gals were PPM for the first time, but they had pretty fun time with me and so they said I didn't have to pay them anymore, but this only happened maybe 2-3 times. But I was a pretty easy going, relatively fit, and decent looking guy back then. In a matter of only a few years, my age has suddenly caught up with me (for example, half my hair is white now, but back then I didn't have any white hair, and I now suddenly have a ton of wrinkles), and so I doubt I could score a non-PPM gal on SA anymore.

[Gentleman Travel]

I'm hoping 400 isn't the new norm. This sounds like it's creeping slowly towards $500 and I just have something against a half grand for a night of fun. I probably spend 500 in total, but that includes the food, drinks, cabs, etc, not cash directly to the girl.

That 300 number is my sweet spot personally or I try to work out something that's a bit non traditional. When I'm in a new city, I would tell the SB that I'll be in her city very often meaning weeks at a time, therefore I need a weekly price, don't hit me with this PPM shit. This approach has been a winner and it gets them out of the mentality of wanting cash every time we meet. I have had good deals that weren't fully cash based and they were great. Note: I have never been able to pull this off in the US.

Have any of you guys been able to work out trade or anything with an SB that wasn't simply cash for ass.

Oh, and cellphones. If you are travelling to countries with heavy import duties or crappy marketplaces, lots of girls will want cellphones. Depending on the difference between prices in your country and hers, this can be quite a good deal. Pick up a refurbished iPhone and bring it along with you and it looks like you are giving her an $800 present, but probably cost you half that. Plus there may be a prestige factor for her, because that phone isn't available in her country. Plus she can show it off to her family and girlfriends "my new boyfriend gave this to me" - she can't really do that with the $400 you gave her instead. And now I recall, that was the deal with my Colombian girl in my preceding post. She asked me to bring her a cellphone, which I gave her after a few days of fucking, so I didn't get stuck giving a phone for a one-night stand. She was in heaven!

But generally, other stuff you give (Other than trips, which benefit you) are generally going to be more expensive than just giving cash. And I think it's stupid buying perfume in the airport duty free, although that's what many girls ask for. But cash is always more useful to a 3rd world girl. But it may be more pleasant for you and for her to simply have these presents instead of cold cash.

[Gentleman Travel]

I'm hoping 400 isn't the new norm. This sounds like it's creeping slowly towards $500 and I just have something against a half grand for a night of fun. I probably spend 500 in total, but that includes the food, drinks, cabs, etc, not cash directly to the girl.

That 300 number is my sweet spot personally or I try to work out something that's a bit non traditional. When I'm in a new city, I would tell the SB that I'll be in her city very often meaning weeks at a time, therefore I need a weekly price, don't hit me with this PPM shit. This approach has been a winner and it gets them out of the mentality of wanting cash every time we meet. I have had good deals that weren't fully cash based and they were great. Note: I have never been able to pull this off in the US.

Have any of you guys been able to work out trade or anything with an SB that wasn't simply cash for ass.

Certainly I have had girls travel with me. I brought an unknown Ukrainian girl to France (a success) and another to Turkey (disaster). The Colombian girl I dated (for the 2 weeks I was there) did not expect daily $$, but we had wild evenings out and I must have given her some kind of spending money. But later she joined me on a vacation in Colombia and I don't think I gave her any cash for that, just paid all the expenses and provided her with some adventures.

The Ukrainian girl I took to France. I guess I should say "lady" because she was 40 - was the oldest woman I've dated like this. Normally they are more like 20-25, with some up to 30. Certainly I didn't pay her anything but of course the trip was expensive. Despite her advanced years she was always the best looking woman (dressed very nicely, too, of course) in any restaurant or tour we were on. So my eyes were never wandering and we were perfectly comfortable walking arm in arm all the time, whereas sometimes it is a bit awkward with a really young girl.

One hometown (Canadian city) sugar baby I had come visit me in while I was on a business trip to Montreal. I must have paid her expenses, but I don't think she asked for a per meeting fee. She took the train for two hours, wearing only sexy lingerie underneath her trenchcoat, so she could unveil herself as soon as she entered my hotel room. She had been working herself up to a great state of horniness, being half-naked on the train. Then she insisted wearing something quite risque when we went out for dinner, and stopped to kiss often in the street and at the restaurant, so clearly she was getting as much out of the experience as I was! You meet all kinds.

[LshRoomer]

Simple laws of supply and demand means there will be an equilibrium price. So, if everyone is quoting 400, then that's probably the equilibrium price where the market clears. It'll be hard to find lower prices, but they can be found. Sometimes though, you get what you pay for, if you know what I mean.

Steve, expanding your search to include older SBs isn't necessarily a bad thing. I met some that were in their 40's. I don't think I had any bad experiences. In fact, most were amazing in the sack, and most provided genuine GFE. But they are a bit less fun, that's all.

Yeah, I also noticed the short latinas when I was active on SA. But after having been with gals just shy of 5 feet, I set my filter to 5 feet 2.

I'm hoping 400 isn't the new norm. This sounds like it's creeping slowly towards $500 and I just have something against a half grand for a night of fun. I probably spend 500 in total, but that includes the food, drinks, cabs, etc, not cash directly to the girl.

That 300 number is my sweet spot personally or I try to work out something that's a bit non traditional. When I'm in a new city, I would tell the SB that I'll be in her city very often meaning weeks at a time, therefore I need a weekly price, don't hit me with this PPM shit. This approach has been a winner and it gets them out of the mentality of wanting cash every time we meet. I have had good deals that weren't fully cash based and they were great. Note: I have never been able to pull this off in the US.

Have any of you guys been able to work out trade or anything with an SB that wasn't simply cash for ass.

02.

[LshRoomer]

I've had a few small gals. On the one hand, you feel huge and awesome, not just dick size huge, but you feel like a massive person, so it's kind of a turn on. On the other hand, you feel like you're fucking a toy, LOL.

I think I like small girls. I say "think" because I have never had a less than 5' girl but I have had plenty of 5'2 or 5'3 girls and I love the difference in stature. As long as their ass fits right on my dick when I'm grinding on her from the back, then we are good to go. It's definitely a turn on.

Personally my sweet spot is 5'5 or 5'6 with nice tits and thin (not skinny) body. "Thin" in this case meaning athletic (jeans size 3 or 4. 2 can be a bit small, I need hips to grab), nice ass, normal abs, and taking care of yourself, not simply "not fat" because you are young and your bad habits haven't caught up with you.

02.

[Midwestern]

Just got pinged by another 4-9 Latina. WTF? Am I on the digs tiny Latinas playlist? This is just too strange.

Good news is I am set to meet one of them at her place Wednesday. She's clearly fairly pro. And oh BTW, biggest tell if she is a pro is she calls you "hun" or "love". LOL. Seems consistent.

I've had a few small gals. On the one hand, you feel huge and awesome, not just dick size huge, but you feel like a massive person, so it's kind of a turn on. On the other hand, you feel like you're fucking a toy, LOL.

[Pessimist]

Once one guy pays $400, girls will try to make $400 the going rate. These girls talk to each other, just like we do. Girls do equate their self worth w the amount they get. They also compete w each other. If one gets $350, her friend (and competitor) wants $400 for bragging rights and to establish her place in the female hierarchy. Keeping an SB is a lot of work. The increased drama comes w a lower, albeit regular and reliable allowance (if they treat their guy well).

In short, the increased rate is caused by other guys providing too much cash to these girls. Wait for the market to put things back in perspective. Giving in means you accept the change.

Girls talk to each other in FKKs or brothels. They talk to each other if they know other sugarbabes. If you are logging in as a sugar babe seeking sugar daddy, you are not able to see the profile of other sugar babes nor contact them. I don't know how you think all the sugar babes talk to each other, and how they come to know about the money you paid to another sugar babe. If they already happened to know each other, yes, then they would.

In the city I live, there are literally hundreds listed at any given time actively seeking, in the white, slim, 20-30 age category. They are scattered throughout the greater metro area and into the suburbs. I know for a fact that very few of them know each other.

And no, there is no market. One of the frustrating things about sugar babe business is precisely that many girls have no clear clue what is the market. Some real pretty girls ask relatively cheap amounts and some so so hags ask for 350 or 400. If they have another friend who has been a sugarbabe in the past, the new girl may have an idea what to expect. Otherwise, they are just randomly guessing. I also had sugar babes who asked for 300 or 350 but ended up accepting 200 to 250. If you are patient, nice but firm, and negotiate gently, you will get good deals.