Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

If this was in the states, no way I would have sex with a high girl. Too easy to be accused of supplying the drugs or rape. The only exception is cannabis. Just my opinion. Just not worth the risk. Not going to jail or be bankrupt by an aggressive the.

Great advice! I have walked on a date in the state, when she was High. That was one crazy night. I paid my bill and took off running and yes, I was worried about the consequences. I would never do have the things I do in Mexico or Moscow in the states. Girls are flat out crazy in the states and mix in drugs it is accident waiting to happen. Thanks again!

[KaveMan]

As you noted that's an American phenomena. It's rather odd actually as I've found it to be the opposite just about everywhere else in the world.

As you noted that's an American phenomena. It's rather odd actually as I've found it to be the opposite just about everywhere else in the world.

First off thanks Steve et al for the very informative primer on SA, field reports, analysis and data.

I do believe some data points could be mis-interpreted:

1.) Cost: SB being 2-3 x more expensive (less expensive) v. Escorts (or vice-versa) is totally subjective. Total sunk costs (dinner, drinks, prospecting $/#HR opportunity cost, etc.) are totally different v, tapping a button and opening a door.

2.) Demographics: yours skew (unsurprisingly) toward the response rates of Women's race on dating site. Black women receive the least contacts and respond the most; Latina, Asian, ME same and White women receive the most responses and respond to least. White women are only 13% of your inventory. OKC compiled actuarial data that supports above and I have seen it across every dating site over a decade.

3.) Ratings & Race: Comparing 7-9 minority female to 7-9 White is apples and oranges & massively subjective. Not knocking personal preferences or racist. Just what I see in society and behavior of high status Black men who upgrade to White GFs / wives as soon as they have $ (athletes, actors, musicians, etc). The number of White women on SA seemed very low the one time I did the free membership.

4.) Sleepover: I would venture to say a "sleepover" is not valued by majority of Men be / see marriage, logistics, privacy, safety, security. In the immortal testimony of Charlie Sheen to a Beverly Hills Judge: "I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave."

5.) Value: the "SB for $4-500 for 4-5 hours" balloon into a huge number once its fully loaded (250 dinner / drinks, etc). I'm assuming the 20+ successful SB entailed 2. 5 visits (1-10 visit range). Back of the envelope: $750 * 2.5 * 20 = $37,500 and a 5% loss at $2,500 (5-visit loss-rate: no show, no chemistry, no sex, still pay, scammed or lose hotel / dinner / logistics / CC refund denial $).

6.) $40 K seems like a big nut for 7's minority chicks and random 9 white chick. You could get Twenty (20) $2,000 9-10 escorts (with Titles (beauty Pageant), Fame (porn star, be-model, be-actress), Pristine near virgin 18 yo or 11 level Minority escort for that price.

7.) Sense of Occasion / Special event Magic: I totally get the value of GFE and the 4-5 hrs that goes with SB. Having said that paying 45 minutes for a $750-2000 escort is NOT a 44 minute event. I have hired them in Beverly Hills, SoHo and London; each stretches into a full event. There is the prep & anticipation of them coming over; there is savoring 5 star room service or grilling a steak on your patio or top-shelf drink / cigar knowing in 1 HR you will fuck a 10; there is the entry and being blown away by her hair, dress, perfume; there is her using the bathroom or shower to prep; there is the official clock start; and then the full 45 minutes of banging the living shit out of her -- Not nice careful fuck, this is a civilian college girl, I don't want to be arrested or sued. There is the "after-fuck" where she says "OK if have a smoke" or "Wow can we walk around the pool" or "can I shower again before my next appointment; join me" even the rare "I need another drink; do you have any food". I have never had one at 46 minute reach for a wet-wipe and leave in 30 seconds. Then there is the post-fuck glow of your life; taking a hygienic shower, having another drink and surveying the grandeur of your conquest. All-in this would easily eat up 3 hours and sometimes more and would be plenty for me. I will never forget fucking a 10 escort over the railing of a Beverly Hills house I rented with pool lit up and she coming while the sprinklers came on and shot water up palm fronds! Priceless.

Not knocking SA. It obviously works for you, you have a very successful system, and its fits your lifestyle perfectly during a global pussy drought.

Nevertheless, being fully transparent I think SA skews towards minority, and market has cleared a price $400 equivalent to its value v. Escorts.

Cheers.

[Steve 9696]

Recent poster mentioned minorities and college students on SA so I did a little inventory on my own experience. Let me say first that I literally cannot stand pasty white girls and generally steer clear of white girls in general (unless they tend towards that raven haired beauty side of things like some Romanian girls). So mine is a biased take. This is SA only, about 80% US, and doesn't include my life with the pros. I have had some amazing mixes like Black Phillipina Italian (wow!) Black Ukrainian, Korean Viet Mexican, and more. I put girls like that in the "closest" bin.

Blackish 8.

Latina 11.

Asian 4.

White 4.

Middle Eastern 2.

Of late my last four great SBs (3 active) have been black. Not sure what's up with that or just a coincidence. And here are the occupations: College student, Waitress, Stripper, Cust Service, Yoga Instructor, Office Manager, Receptionist, Care Giver, Maid. The college student persona is relatively rare. Only 3 of 28. And as previously mentioned 22-24 is the magic age for me. Almost all my success is in this age range. And if they have a subtle nose ring/stud that is almost always a tell and we are gonna be a match. LOL.

HBU?

[DramaFree11]

Do you use SA in Moscow and Kiev? In my opinion, Moscow sucks, St. Pete beats Moscow, and any 2nd tier city in Russia beats both. I haven't mongered in Ukraine, but heard the talent is even better, so is the price point.

Would love to read your Mosco

or Kiev reports. When in Russia, I use Tinder exclusively, but I'm fluent in Russian, so have an advantage.

Sorry, I think we have completely different tastes. Kiev really sucks and is over rated. St. Pet. Was OK, Moscow was incredible.

Obviously you are doing something wrong. You need to reevaluate what you are doing and find a place that makes you happy. Good luck, you can read my reports.

[Akibono]

Arrive a 4 pm, I left work early. I meet a new girl. She is high as kite. Go up to the room and have sex immediately. When she sobered up she was real nice and pretty hot.

2nd meeting ends up having to work late, I was a little upset up about this, but it happen.

I meet one of my regulars at S. Prime. She looks amazing. Drinks and food was great, so much fun, but it gets much better. We get back to the room and we had sex most of the night. In the middle of the night she gets on top of me and off goes the the condom, awesome.

To all the haters, you can not put a price tag on this. She thanked me and said they had a great night. I gave her $200 and at the restaurant, I spent $150.

Moscow / Mexico Rock. Kiev / MDE suck! Censorship on a sex page, because someone does not like you opinion is even worse.

If this was in the states, no way I would have sex with a high girl. Too easy to be accused of supplying the drugs or rape. The only exception is cannabis. Just my opinion. Just not worth the risk. Not going to jail or be bankrupt by an aggressive the.

[MiamiBoy1]

Moscow / Mexico Rock. Kiev / MDE suck! Censorship on a sex page, because someone does not like you opinion is even worse.

Do you use SA in Moscow and Kiev? In my opinion, Moscow sucks, St. Pete beats Moscow, and any 2nd tier city in Russia beats both. I haven't mongered in Ukraine, but heard the talent is even better, so is the price point.

Would love to read your Moscow or Kiev reports. When in Russia, I use Tinder exclusively, but I'm fluent in Russian, so have an advantage.

[Akibono]

Lots to unpack here. Let's start with the 9-10's discussion. To be fair Globe has a higher visual standard than most clubs or escorts worldwide. But there are no tens there iMO and very few nines. I'the say a goodly number of 7 and 8's. For reference three girls I've done at globe are Simina 9, Kate 8, and Tina 7. And outside of globe you AR not going to be seeing 9's. I had one at Aphrodisia. Never seen one at Sharks or other German FKK. Seen a few at Scandalo in SP. And a couple at Tokyo Hentai club and Diva escorts UK.

Point is it's a tough find. You are not going to find any 9's doing escorting in US for $500/ HR. You can find a nine on SA. I'the say Alexa and Kayla are both 9's and both have been happy to have dinner, bareback, and stay overnight for that kinda PPM. And quite a slew of 8's.

My summary would be if you put in the time and have good game and not objectionable looking you can have 7-9's on a regular basis. I am not sure however you can do this programmatically. Prob have to do the work.

Ps if U are looking for basic suck and fuck then SA is way too much work. A lotta guys - me included - do SA cuz they want the mini relationship with dinner and sleepovers day at the beach whatever. A real (paid) girlfriend.

I would also add that with SBs, you cannot count on them showing up consistently, especially on the first meeting. Flakes are common. I have found quite a few girls trolling for numbers. They use fake pictures and change accounts often. You get text messages out of the blue and the pic they send do not match anything you have seen on the site. I think that keeps them from getting blocked and banned. I also see a few that keep changing their location. Real SB would not move all over the country.

[DramaFree11]

Arrive a 4 pm, I left work early. I meet a new girl. She is high as kite. Go up to the room and have sex immediately. When she sobered up she was real nice and pretty hot.

2nd meeting ends up having to work late, I was a little upset up about this, but it happen.

I meet one of my regulars at S. Prime. She looks amazing. Drinks and food was great, so much fun, but it gets much better. We get back to the room and we had sex most of the night. In the middle of the night she gets on top of me and off goes the the condom, awesome.

To all the haters, you can not put a price tag on this. She thanked me and said they had a great night. I gave her $200 and at the restaurant, I spent $150.

Moscow / Mexico Rock. Kiev / MDE suck! Censorship on a sex page, because someone does not like you opinion is even worse.

[DramaFree11]

As you guys know I am not a big fan of the Colombian Chicas. I met one by mistake, but we are meeting on a regular basis now. Total freak in bed, very nice and hard working. Not bad looking at all.

The girl finally contacted me that was going to fly in and meet me in MTY. Total disaster, looks like I will lose the money for the flight. She was not scamming me, but had second thoughts, bit waste of time. She is too Americanized. Live and learn.

Great trip, I Have 5 meeting is 24 hours. No anal, but everything else. Love the MTY.

[Steve 9696]

I was referred here thanks to Steve9696 from Swiss Globe Thread.

So, I have a fairly technical question about fuck yield on SA v. $ dollars invested. I was under the impression that SA was a glorified prostitution site where you have to cough up $500 to fuck muffin top college-drop-outs. From reading the posts it sounds like its turned into a mainstream dating site for gold-diggers.

As background, from 2010-2014 I ran a sex-search campaign on a major dating site (see 20014 intro post) before age filters, AI, blocking, etc. I had outbound 18,000+ messages / yr. With 15 cut / paste messages 3 x / day. I was booked Thur-Sun. With 45 min. Cocktail dates ($25); 200+ dates / yr. And fucked 24 on first date back to my apartment 1 block away. Now granted I am white-collar, fit and had a panty dropper apartment in SoHo and Hollywood Hills loft; these girls were happy to fuck with $1 margaritas and a $3. 99 Trader-Giotto pizza. I got 18-25 8-10's, models, dancers, Hollywood actresses, porn stars, etc. Then boom the numbers dropped from 24-12-6-1 from 2015-2021 as Tinder, IG, filters, blocking, AI took hold.

Today this is impossible as every dating site has filters, AI, and throttles messages / day to <5 even though sent shows 50. I know I was flagged in top. 01% of users as last cancellation refund had email CC'd: of my last 10 fake-emails over a decade; even with changes in names, cards, paypal, IP, address, etc. My rocker neighbor in Hollywood swore by SA with Premium; but I had birds eye view between our glass lofts and they were all minority 6-7's tops and he was dropping $10,000's.

I am happy to join SA, if I can run a numbers game and whittle it down to nympho 9-10's who want to be fucked hard AND are flexible on benefits. If its all filters and throttling and am stuck talking to muffin tops at Starbucks then I will pass.

Are you guys actually finding 9-10's OR just young pussy that's marginally better than generic prostitutes?

Reason I switched to Swiss Globe, was I happy to pay $150 for18-25 9-11's in Zurich and spend rest of my time on business and investments.

Lots to unpack here. Let's start with the 9-10's discussion. To be fair Globe has a higher visual standard than most clubs or escorts worldwide. But there are no tens there iMO and very few nines. I'the say a goodly number of 7 and 8's. For reference three girls I've done at globe are Simina 9, Kate 8, and Tina 7. And outside of globe you AR not going to be seeing 9's. I had one at Aphrodisia. Never seen one at Sharks or other German FKK. Seen a few at Scandalo in SP. And a couple at Tokyo Hentai club and Diva escorts UK.

Point is it's a tough find. You are not going to find any 9's doing escorting in US for $500/ HR. You can find a nine on SA. I'the say Alexa and Kayla are both 9's and both have been happy to have dinner, bareback, and stay overnight for that kinda PPM. And quite a slew of 8's.

My summary would be if you put in the time and have good game and not objectionable looking you can have 7-9's on a regular basis. I am not sure however you can do this programmatically. Prob have to do the work.

Ps if U are looking for basic suck and fuck then SA is way too much work. A lotta guys - me included - do SA cuz they want the mini relationship with dinner and sleepovers day at the beach whatever. A real (paid) girlfriend.

[BrizLad]

I always smile a bit when they greet me with my alias.

I have had many alias as I prefer to change each year or so. But I have one gal that has been a consistent mistress for 4 years now. She is still using my original alias. Just recently we were in a cafe, I was sitting looking out and she was at the counter ordering. She was calling my original alias name. And of course I'm not responding at all.

When I have travelled domestic and international airlines with my SBs I have given up on alias. Passports and immigration make it too complicated.

Cheers.

[Steve 9696]

Took my SB to a nice restaurant the staff kept saying my full name. We have your reservation Mr. Xxx. Thank you for coming Mr. XXX. They think we expect that as respect. But I would rather be anon.

Unless you create a whole other identity, it is very hard to stay anon. The first thing you do is pay in cash and don't expect change. Make reservations under plausible aliases.

Yeah if you are going to work the US (and really always a good idea) you need a consistent alias — both first and last name. And burner phone. Like your gmail has a first and last name (not vetted) and when you make dinner reservations they want first and last. I use my alias for both of these. You can't avoid certain things like your credit card has your name on it. And the hotel rez has to be in your name. But the more done with an alias the better. Just like you saw at the restaurant.

I always smile a bit when they greet me with my alias.

P.S. As Midwestern says there is no zero risk solution. I just try to keep it manageable.

[TheManager]

Are you guys actually finding 9-10's OR just young pussy that's marginally better than generic prostitutes?

Check out this post I wrote on this very topic recently: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ents&p=2607734#post2607734.

[DramaFree11]

Took my SB to a nice restaurant the staff kept saying my full name. We have your reservation Mr. Xxx. Thank you for coming Mr. XXX. They think we expect that as respect. But I would rather be anon.

Unless you create a whole other identity, it is very hard to stay anon. The first thing you do is pay in cash and don't expect change. Make reservations under plausible aliases.

Yep, if you are concerned about your identity I would not be on SA.

[KaveMan]

I was referred here thanks to Steve9696 from Swiss Globe Thread.

So, I have a fairly technical question about fuck yield on SA v. $ dollars invested. I was under the impression that SA was a glorified prostitution site where you have to cough up $500 to fuck muffin top college-drop-outs. From reading the posts it sounds like its turned into a mainstream dating site for gold-diggers.

As background, from 2010-2014 I ran a sex-search campaign on a major dating site (see 20014 intro post) before age filters, AI, blocking, etc. I had outbound 18,000+ messages / yr. With 15 cut / paste messages 3 x / day. I was booked Thur-Sun. With 45 min. Cocktail dates ($25); 200+ dates / yr. And fucked 24 on first date back to my apartment 1 block away. Now granted I am white-collar, fit and had a panty dropper apartment in SoHo and Hollywood Hills loft; these girls were happy to fuck with $1 margaritas and a $3. 99 Trader-Giotto pizza. I got 18-25 8-10's, models, dancers, Hollywood actresses, porn stars, etc. Then boom the numbers dropped from 24-12-6-1 from 2015-2021 as Tinder, IG, filters, blocking, AI took hold.

Today this is impossible as every dating site has filters, AI, and throttles messages / day to <5 even though sent shows 50. I know I was flagged in top. 01% of users as last cancellation refund had email CC'd: of my last 10 fake-emails over a decade; even with changes in names, cards, paypal, IP, address, etc. My rocker neighbor in Hollywood swore by SA with Premium; but I had birds eye view between our glass lofts and they were all minority 6-7's tops and he was dropping $10,000's.

I am happy to join SA, if I can run a numbers game and whittle it down to nympho 9-10's who want to be fucked hard AND are flexible on benefits. If its all filters and throttling and am stuck talking to muffin tops at Starbucks then I will pass.

Are you guys actually finding 9-10's OR just young pussy that's marginally better than generic prostitutes?

Reason I switched to Swiss Globe, was I happy to pay $150 for18-25 9-11's in Zurich and spend rest of my time on business and investments.