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[Artvand1]

The NRW region is my least favorite for FKKs in Germany. Much prefer Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, and even the Munich scene where PSE sex is very common, including lots of anal on offer.

Interesting, thanks for your reply! Never knew PSE was common in FKKs LOL. Good to know. Will definitely try out next time I visit. Of course these would be extras that we negotiate with the girl, right?

[The Cane]

Cane, I have been with a stripper in a club when she was dressed as a civilian. She showed me how a dancer thinks when she asked "What guys in here do you think have the most money?" There was nothing about looks, and I honestly had never looked at a strip club like that before.

I also had a woman show me her seeking account. She had dozens if not hundreds of replies. The number of scammers were staggering. I guess a few of the scammers were attractive, but there were four guys I picked out as legit meaning they could afford to pay her, and she picked the same four.

I am not sure I would say caring for money over looks means women are less superficial. As for looks versus money with women, any decent looking woman can find and fuck a guy who is good looking. Hell, even the not so decent looking women can have that.

You're not just talking about "women". You're talking about a "specific subset of women" (strippers and prostitutes) where money is going to overrule almost everything else. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about women who are looking for meaningful, serious relationships. In those circumstances, women can be just as shallow as men in terms of who they give a chance too (physical attraction being the key).

[Elvis 2008]

Move on to Mxico. So much better and less bull shit then Colombia. Especially if you have a decent budget you will love it.

The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.

LOL. Actually my gal and her daughter both hate paisas and Medellin. Medellin has a Las Vegas type moral attitude and Bogota is more like NYC. There was a big difference in attitude between the two cities with women.

But you go where the gems are and honestly DF pre-covid, I did not do well in CDMX. After Covid hit, it was amazing.

[Elvis 2008]

I have met so many women over the years who claim women don't care about looks, and they're totally full of shit. Women can be, and usually are, just as superficial as men are. If a man cares about looks 95% of the time, then a woman cares about looks at least 90% of the time. And as far as I'm concerned, that's a difference that makes no difference! Women are superficial and care about looks, especially with women's lib and their newfound freedoms and independence, and don't let them snow you into believing anything else in an effort to make themselves appear not superficial, and therefore "better" than men.

Cane, I have been with a stripper in a club when she was dressed as a civilian. She showed me how a dancer thinks when she asked "What guys in here do you think have the most money?" There was nothing about looks, and I honestly had never looked at a strip club like that before.

I also had a woman show me her seeking account. She had dozens if not hundreds of replies. The number of scammers were staggering. I guess a few of the scammers were attractive, but there were four guys I picked out as legit meaning they could afford to pay her, and she picked the same four.

I am not sure I would say caring for money over looks means women are less superficial. As for looks versus money with women, any decent looking woman can find and fuck a guy who is good looking. Hell, even the not so decent looking women can have that.

[The Cane]

LshRoomer, my recommendation is to check out Bernds and Babylon in the NRW region. These ladies in these two establishments provide nice GFE. Although the quality of Bernds dropped they are still good compared to other FKKs. You won't go wrong, trust me.

The NRW region is my least favorite for FKKs in Germany. Much prefer Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, and even the Munich scene where PSE sex is very common, including lots of anal on offer.

[Artvand1]

For starters, I know this is not the right forum. However, I wrote that I would briefly report my FKK experience for those GFE guys, like me, that have curiosities.

I'll keep it brief.

Which FKK did I visit? Artemis. Berlin.

Look of the girls? You can definitely find more than one that you like, either natural or plastic, tall or short, thin or not thin, in all colors (not all. I didn't see any asians).

Overview: You are wearing a robe and the girls walk around wearing nothing or close to nothing and they are spread out around the property. Some will approach you and some won't.

They are down for whatever:

Oh, you want your dick sucked in the movie theater, cool.

Oh, you want a threesome with anal, cool.

Oh you want her to stick her tongue in your ass, cool. LOL. I'm not even joking. Facts.

It feels like a strip club where you are a lot closer to the girls because you are both naked and yes, you can comfortably chill there for hours.

I'll give the same advice that I received before going. Take it for what it is. Don't expect magic and definitely don't expect GFE (I would not pay for anything GFE related). Have fun and treat it like a spa. Meaning take a walk in the pool, then bust a nut. Get a massage. Take a quick nap in the corner, wake up, bust a nut. Eat a light dinner (included). Hop in the sauna, then go home or bust another nut. Think of it as the girls are amenities there for you, the patron. If you look at it like that, you will feel more like a native, fully able to navigate the calm and hostile FKK waters.

Final thoughts: Give it a shot. Check it out. The experience is well worth it. I'm going to go one more time in the frankfurt area for the sake of comparison and I plan to say longer than 3 hours this time.

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LshRoomer, my recommendation is to check out Bernds and Babylon in the NRW region. These ladies in these two establishments provide nice GFE. Although the quality of Bernds dropped they are still good compared to other FKKs. You won't go wrong, trust me.

[AmericanPi]

Agree this is not the right place for this, but you started it.

FKK is something everybody should try once. It's a mind f. Like you can't wrap your head around it. The ones in Frankfurt are known to be among the best all that there's not much to do in Frankfurt otherwise. I did a few layovers there. You literally walk around with a robe or towel deciding which girl you're going to bang. Like it's just crazy walking around thinking which girl will get your spunk today because they can't possibly all and you need to ration it. It's nuts.

Only downside is once you've done it once, it's not as magical the second or third time. It's still good but the shock and awe is gone.

Everyone at least once must experience the magic.

For starters, I know this is not the right forum. However, I wrote that I would briefly report my FKK experience for those GFE guys, like me, that have curiosities.

I'll keep it brief.

Which FKK did I visit? Artemis. Berlin.

Look of the girls? You can definitely find more than one that you like, either natural or plastic, tall or short, thin or not thin, in all colors (not all. I didn't see any asians).

Overview: You are wearing a robe and the girls walk around wearing nothing or close to nothing and they are spread out around the property. Some will approach you and some won't.

They are down for whatever:

Oh, you want your dick sucked in the movie theater, cool.

Oh, you want a threesome with anal, cool.

Oh you want her to stick her tongue in your ass, cool. LOL. I'm not even joking. Facts.

It feels like a strip club where you are a lot closer to the girls because you are both naked and yes, you can comfortably chill there for hours.

I'll give the same advice that I received before going. Take it for what it is. Don't expect magic and definitely don't expect GFE (I would not pay for anything GFE related). Have fun and treat it like a spa. Meaning take a walk in the pool, then bust a nut. Get a massage. Take a quick nap in the corner, wake up, bust a nut. Eat a light dinner (included). Hop in the sauna, then go home or bust another nut. Think of it as the girls are amenities there for you, the patron. If you look at it like that, you will feel more like a native, fully able to navigate the calm and hostile FKK waters.

Final thoughts: Give it a shot. Check it out. The experience is well worth it. I'm going to go one more time in the frankfurt area for the sake of comparison and I plan to say longer than 3 hours this time.

02.

[LshRoomer]

For starters, I know this is not the right forum. However, I wrote that I would briefly report my FKK experience for those GFE guys, like me, that have curiosities.

I'll keep it brief.

Which FKK did I visit? Artemis. Berlin.

Look of the girls? You can definitely find more than one that you like, either natural or plastic, tall or short, thin or not thin, in all colors (not all. I didn't see any asians).

Overview: You are wearing a robe and the girls walk around wearing nothing or close to nothing and they are spread out around the property. Some will approach you and some won't.

They are down for whatever:

Oh, you want your dick sucked in the movie theater, cool.

Oh, you want a threesome with anal, cool.

Oh you want her to stick her tongue in your ass, cool. LOL. I'm not even joking. Facts.

It feels like a strip club where you are a lot closer to the girls because you are both naked and yes, you can comfortably chill there for hours.

I'll give the same advice that I received before going. Take it for what it is. Don't expect magic and definitely don't expect GFE (I would not pay for anything GFE related). Have fun and treat it like a spa. Meaning take a walk in the pool, then bust a nut. Get a massage. Take a quick nap in the corner, wake up, bust a nut. Eat a light dinner (included). Hop in the sauna, then go home or bust another nut. Think of it as the girls are amenities there for you, the patron. If you look at it like that, you will feel more like a native, fully able to navigate the calm and hostile FKK waters.

Final thoughts: Give it a shot. Check it out. The experience is well worth it. I'm going to go one more time in the frankfurt area for the sake of comparison and I plan to say longer than 3 hours this time.

02.

[DramaFree11]

My reasons for going to Colombia is that it's closer to my preferred timezone (CDMX is about 1. 5 h the other direction) and I legitimately think the optics are better here. I see the cheapness as a con, where you trade time for lowered prices. But maybe the right way to do things is to try both. After a week in Cartagena, I'm heading to Medellin for 2 where I will put more effort into girls around 25, and offer more sugar in exchange. Then go to CDMX for 2 weeks afterwards.

SA is pretty dead in Cartagena. I met one girl who said she was 25, but was really 20. Model, stuck up attitude, on her phone a lot and yet when the clothes came off soft body and bad implants. Another girl said she was 27 but really was 29, came from Barranquilla. Overall a good experience but hard to have a decent conversation as most of what I was talking about seemed to go over her head. Both girls had this willingness to please which made me very happy and was overall lacking in Argentina. If the girls I'm Barranquilla are like her, meeting a younger one would make me very happy..

I will be interested to hear your take on MDE, but judging from your report, I doubt you will like it. You will run into the same issues you were having in Cartagena, but it will probably be much worse. Good luck.

[LshRoomer]

I guess I look at it differently. I mean they are looking for $$ more than looks but they want someone they won't dread spending time with and vice versa. My experience is if we don't vibe and really chat and "get along" on text then it's not going to work for a date. Girls who just respond with Hey. Yes. No. Ok sounds good. To me these are non starters. Maybe some of these girls would be ok to fuck but dinner would be a real chore.

It's an art. If you want a pro sort of experience, you can quickly find a girl on SA that gives you her whatsapp without even looking at your profile. I ignore those girls. When you find that the girl mentions something in your profile, I found that in those cases they are usually hooked. They have found something that piques their interest and it kinda straddles that nice line where they like your look and you seem like a person they would be interested in chilling with.

I have Lili in Madrid that I hit up whenever I'm in town and last time I was there, she told me that I'm the only person that she still talks to from SA. Now, that may not be the truth, but it was unsolicited. Even still, we have great times together, her english is perfect (english teacher) and it's always 200-250 whenever we link up. There's also light conversation during the time between trips. The point is that I am bonus cash that comes around once in a while, but it's a win for her too because she really likes the sex (this was the girl that laid paralyzed on the bed after some rough doggy and the only word she could muster between breaths was "Wow" LOL) and appears to genuinely like to hang out. She also brings me into her life, explaining how she intends to use the money that I'm helping her out with. THese are the types of arrangements that I favor; one where both people are invested. I guess I would describe it as the nether regions of transaction where the influence of humanity blurs the simplistic trade rules of sex for money and money for sex. LOL.

Then there is Maria in Madrid. That's a totally different specimen of complexity and at this point, no cash has been traded and physically she can't get enough. I think I'm starting to see that the medium of exchange is not cash with her; It's more of an exchange of emotional capital.

The gems are out there and a gem for one guy will be coal for another (assuming you are not a coal miner), as personality plays a big part. SBs often write that they want a guy that knows what he wants. When you have experience finding what you want, it becomes easy to dismiss some, while investing in others. I usually avoid most girls that don't speak enough english to converse without a translator. Maria doesn't speak english, but there was something that made me give her a chance. I later (much later) found that she speaks romanian but grew up in Spain, so now we sit there for hours with broken romanian / spanish / english and comms are easy. Find those gems!

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[TedFerguson]

The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.

My reasons for going to Colombia is that it's closer to my preferred timezone (CDMX is about 1. 5 h the other direction) and I legitimately think the optics are better here. I see the cheapness as a con, where you trade time for lowered prices. But maybe the right way to do things is to try both. After a week in Cartagena, I'm heading to Medellin for 2 where I will put more effort into girls around 25, and offer more sugar in exchange. Then go to CDMX for 2 weeks afterwards.

SA is pretty dead in Cartagena. I met one girl who said she was 25, but was really 20. Model, stuck up attitude, on her phone a lot and yet when the clothes came off soft body and bad implants. Another girl said she was 27 but really was 29, came from Barranquilla. Overall a good experience but hard to have a decent conversation as most of what I was talking about seemed to go over her head. Both girls had this willingness to please which made me very happy and was overall lacking in Argentina. If the girls I'm Barranquilla are like her, meeting a younger one would make me very happy.

I suspect there's more cultural overlap with the girls in CDMX, who appear to be more intelligent and refined. The way they talk on WhatsApp suggests they're almost aggressive. I told one girl I didn't know when I was in town, and she replies a few days later with "entonces? She was quite upset I didn't have answer for her yet. This girl was Mexican. Alongside her, I met a couple Argentines with their normal predatory behavior, one more Mexican 8, and one Venezuelan who stopped responding to my messages after I asked for her social media. Mexico appears to be a place where you sacrifice optics for personality.

[DramaFree11]

I do agree with your points about showing them you can pony up and looking better than the average guy on the site. This go around my main picture is of me at a famous location with my back towards the camera. I used this last time too, but it wasn't my main one and it's definitely giving me better results. My other public picture is a closer shot of my body (face still obscured) to show I'm in shape and not just another fat gringo.

This is why I'm back on Seeking: you can find a wider range of women. Of course, you'll find some of the same girls on other sites and pros, but you'll also find normal women with normal jobs. I made an unexpected trip back to Bogota a month after my first visit so I could repeat with some of the women I met. I still text with one and will meet up with her again next year. I paid her nothing when we last saw each other for an entire weekend. I covered the cost of the AirBnB and our daily expenses, but that's to be expected if she's spending 3 days with you.

We are searching for the Diamond in the rough! They are out there, it takes time, hard work, a decent budget and some game.

[The Cane]

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?

I have met so many women over the years who claim women don't care about looks, and they're totally full of shit. Women can be, and usually are, just as superficial as men are. If a man cares about looks 95% of the time, then a woman cares about looks at least 90% of the time. And as far as I'm concerned, that's a difference that makes no difference! Women are superficial and care about looks, especially with women's lib and their newfound freedoms and independence, and don't let them snow you into believing anything else in an effort to make themselves appear not superficial, and therefore "better" than men. [Deleted by Admin]

[Voodoo Jones]

Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?

I do agree with your points about showing them you can pony up and looking better than the average guy on the site. This go around my main picture is of me at a famous location with my back towards the camera. I used this last time too, but it wasn't my main one and it's definitely giving me better results. My other public picture is a closer shot of my body (face still obscured) to show I'm in shape and not just another fat gringo.

As I think about it I guess I dont view SA as transactional when u get it right. It may sound weird but Id say I am in some sort of relationship with 3 of the 8 and care about the other 5 in some relatively deep way. Ive given branding and e-commerce advice to two of them. Loaned money (and paid back!) twice to one (dont make a habit) and given more boyfriend/ family advice than I probsbly should. Its a really personal and satisfying part of my life to know these girls and their lives.

This is why I'm back on Seeking: you can find a wider range of women. Of course, you'll find some of the same girls on other sites and pros, but you'll also find normal women with normal jobs. I made an unexpected trip back to Bogota a month after my first visit so I could repeat with some of the women I met. I still text with one and will meet up with her again next year. I paid her nothing when we last saw each other for an entire weekend. I covered the cost of the AirBnB and our daily expenses, but that's to be expected if she's spending 3 days with you.

[Steve 9696]

Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?

I guess I look at it differently. I mean they are looking for $$ more than looks but they want someone they won't dread spending time with and vice versa. My experience is if we don't vibe and really chat and "get along" on text then it's not going to work for a date. Girls who just respond with Hey. Yes. No. Ok sounds good. To me these are non starters. Maybe some of these girls would be ok to fuck but dinner would be a real chore. I try to really establish a BF GF vibe. And when it succeeds, man does it deliver. And can last. I've got girls in 8 different cities that I can just drop in on and we will pick up like old lovers. So target rich In fact that next week I'm bringing sand to the beach. LOL.

As I think about it I guess I don’t view SA as transactional when u get it right. It may sound weird but I’d say I am in some sort of “relationship” with 3 of the 8 and care about the other 5 in some relatively deep way. I’ve given branding and e-commerce advice to two of them. Loaned money (and paid back!) twice to one (don’t make a habit) and given more boyfriend/ family advice than I probsbly should. It’s a really personal and satisfying part of my life to know these girls and their lives.