Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Sorry to hear about the sex fail. Yeah, they need to know this is not a real relationship. When an SB and I start to know each other well, I find that we eventually become like an old married couple. With my curent SB, she knows almost nothing about me. So she knows what our "relationship" is really all about.

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Thanks. Despite this setback I have rebounded. In Madrid, FKK in Germany, and London I managed to get off 11 shots in 5 days. So my drought was more than repaid! Damn I love this life we lead!

[Midwestern]

Sorry to hear about the sex fail. Yeah, they need to know this is not a real relationship. When an SB and I start to know each other well, I find that we eventually become like an old married couple. With my curent SB, she knows almost nothing about me. So she knows what our "relationship" is really all about.

Ended up busting it off with Sarah which I pretty much never do. Flew her to LA and actually had a very nice time except for the sex. We had a sex fail that at least I got a BJ out of our first night. But then repeated attempts met with I'm too tired. Or not in the mood. I wasn't paying her other than the trip and spending money so maybe that led to complacency. She was totally shocked and upset when I told her the fact we haven't had sex this trip was a dealbreaker. She felt like doing her best was good enough.

I feel bad because this wasn't a malicious using of me. She's just young and naive and totally doesn't understand that the rest can be amazing, but for a guy if there isn't sex, the rest doesn't matter.

More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley.

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[Pessimist]

For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.

A what % of SA contacts will lead to off SA messaging.

Be what % of leads from messaging off SA leads to person meets.

See what % of initial meeting leads to ready to fuck.

Thanks for all thd contributions in this thread.

Pretty low percentages on the last one.

Especially if you want to stay disciplined on how much you want to pay and who you are seeking. If it is a shapely young white girl that's educated and well mannered, you will generally pay up. More so in the US and more so in the coastal places. Along with inflation, seeking prices too have gone up. Way different seeking than it was in 2016 and 2017.

Replies to messages, convos. Percentages are higher.

You will know these percentages after a few months and after you hit up a sufficient number of girls. Initial impressions can be misleading so don't get carried away.

[Gfefan]

Much has been told about South America by seniors here. While I haven't had a chance to visit there, there was this girl traveling to US for some event.

We chatted a bit and moved to whatsapp. Free flowing convo.

Early on, I dropped a few hints about my expectations but she seemd to ignore those. I let it go thinking perhaps she is not comfortable conversing.

We decide to meet.

A nice little meet and greet. Food and drinks. We chat. She goes "I must admit. I was brought on this site by a friend of mine and she had painted a certain picture. What I'm seeing in reality is different. Men are almost always expecting sex. But that is not what I signed up for".

The simplicity of that truth and the innocence with which she spoke made me feel for her (hard to convey the facial expressions, eye contact, genuine body language when I write this).

She made it clear that she is not expecting me to compensate her for time (note, platinum pussies in the US) and that she in fact wanted to treat me for a good lunch because she felt she wasted my time. I laughed at it, took the whole bill myself and gave a ride back to her hotel, dropped her safe, gave a nice warm hug and left.

We spoke a lot. For hours. About our cultures, she explaining how things work in South America. In fact, she said "you have a friend in xyz city whe you visit. Ring me up, I will take you places and be your wing woman. Worst case, some friends of mine would love to have a guy like you".

I walked in hoping to have a Latin SB. I walked out with a genuinely good hearted Latin friend. Such a pleasant experience.

[Gfefan]

This is what I call PPS. Platinum Pussy Syndrome.

I have had at least 4/5 girls in the US tell me they need $1000 ppm. And, thy want to define how may times we would meet and convert that to monthly allowance. I say F. Off *****.

And today I had a reply from a girl in BKK. She's pretty hot, nothing more than I've expereinced in Europe though, but she wanted $650 for an evening and $950 for overnight. Basically a freelance escort charging European prices in a city that's 2-3 x cheaper than most European cities and where wages are 3-4 x less. Oh and I agreed $200 last time I was in BKK (with a European girl, via Seeking). Maybe Seeking isn't the best approach in SE Asia? But I'm not interested in bar girls or freelancers at Thermae etc, I'm looking for at least some connection. My experience in Europe has been excellent and had great chemistry with the girls I've met, almost lke a real GF / BF relationship.

[JonnySutton]

And today I had a reply from a girl in BKK. She's pretty hot, nothing more than I've expereinced in Europe though, but she wanted $650 for an evening and $950 for overnight. Basically a freelance escort charging European prices in a city that's 2-3 x cheaper than most European cities and where wages are 3-4 x less. Oh and I agreed $200 last time I was in BKK (with a European girl, via Seeking). Maybe Seeking isn't the best approach in SE Asia? But I'm not interested in bar girls or freelancers at Thermae etc, I'm looking for at least some connection. My experience in Europe has been excellent and had great chemistry with the girls I've met, almost lke a real GF / BF relationship.

Yes, it is. Yesterday, I get a message from a girl in CDMX, that I have never met, we have only been talking briefly on WhatsApp. She asked me to rent an Airbnb for her, for a couple of days. Instant block. ,

[FilthyBeaver]

I don't block them when I get ridiculous requests. It just teaches them that it's a ridiculous request and move on to some other way to scam guys. I just ignore them and don't reply. Let them figure out how stupid they are in their own.

Yes, it is. Yesterday, I get a message from a girl in CDMX, that I have never met, we have only been talking briefly on WhatsApp. She asked me to rent an Airbnb for her, for a couple of days. Instant block. ,

[DramaFree11]

So I recently sent a message to a girl in HCMC, Vietnam on Seeking and her reply was; I charge $250 to meet and have dinner and IF we vibe we can move on the ppm!! I mean that's insane. I don't even get that in London or Europe. I've had arrangements with 20 something hotties and no money was even asked for. And I never pay for a paltonic first meet diner / lunch / coffee either. What has got into some of these girls? I blocked her immediately but I should have reported her and got her banned on Seeking! The crap you have to wade through.

Yes, it is. Yesterday, I get a message from a girl in CDMX, that I have never met, we have only been talking briefly on WhatsApp. She asked me to rent an Airbnb for her, for a couple of days. Instant block. ,

[NoBuglyFitches]

For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.

What city / location? What profiles are you contacting (age group etc)? Are you trying to filter out pros?

[JonnySutton]

So I recently sent a message to a girl in HCMC, Vietnam on Seeking and her reply was; I charge $250 to meet and have dinner and IF we vibe we can move on the ppm!! I mean that's insane. I don't even get that in London or Europe. I've had arrangements with 20 something hotties and no money was even asked for. And I never pay for a paltonic first meet diner / lunch / coffee either. What has got into some of these girls? I blocked her immediately but I should have reported her and got her banned on Seeking! The crap you have to wade through.

[JonnySutton]

So I recently sent a message to a girl in HCMC, Vietnam on Seeking and her reply was; I charge $250 to meet and have dinner and IF we vibe we can move on the ppm!! I mean that's insane. I don't even get that in London or Europe. I've had arrangements with 20 something hotties and no money was even asked for. And I never pay for a paltonic first meet diner / lunch / coffee either. What has got into some of these girls? I blocked her immediately but I should have reported her and got her banned on Seeking! The crap you have to wade through.

[GoingDumb]

I went out with a girl last weekend for the first time. Things went well, ended up at my place but didn't have sex because she was waiting for a hsv 2 lab result and wanted to be safe. She didn't go into details and I was glad she told me. We got along well so I saw her again this weekend. I didn't want to bring up the lab over text but when it came up we were already making out. She hadn't gotten the result yet but felt better and left it up to me. I may have made a big mistake and went for it using a rubber.

Saw this girl again and she unfortunately confirmed she'the tested positive for hsv 2. When we went out she hadn't been having symptoms and always used a rubber but hearing it was confirmed was tough. I was pretty worried about it earlier but have had riskier exposures. Multi day FKK trips, once when a k girl put it in raw. So with that context it didn't seem too bad. Plan on taking a break for a few weeks and hoping for the best.

It's more of a shame because I'm not sure I'the want to see her for the cost again knowing the risk. I like spending time with her and we have a similar interest but I feel like I'the just be paranoid after seeing her.

[AluHut]

Sounds like your girls issue tho you won't repeat.

Well, I won't repeat for a different reason. I was there on a vacation. I might return to this country, but not very soon. Also, I had two non paid fucks, found via Pure app. One was pretty fucking amazing, way better that this SA girl. So, overall it was a good vacation.

About "money at the table" - yes, I agree it's risky. I guess I was impressed my some of stories here "she was so into me that we never talked about money". To be honest, I found those stories a bit too good to be true, especially happening in a row. But yeah, lesson learned.

[Steve 9696]

Ok, I finally had my first ever SA encounter in Montenegro. The girl was an obvious first chocie, as she was pretty talkative, moved to messenger without issues and had some matching kinks. Also, she never mentioned how much she wants beforehand. A bit too young for my taste (early 20's), but others were playing "hard to get" while messaging.

Those were good moments. Now not so good. After dinner she asked me how much I was thinking about and I offered 300, which I think was a bit above this country rate. She countered with 350, and I agreed because it was late and she was quioti interested in me. The body was a bit of dissapoint, especially for her age. She claims she's "average", but she is very bottom heavy including some rather unplesant belly fat. She quite strategically hides that on photos. Sex also was a mixture of good and not so good. Opend minded, active and very enthusiastic. BJ was probably one the worst I've ever had, too gentle and soft, I barely felt anything. Declined anal. Stayed well past midnight to allow two rounds, but didn't wanted to stay for night despite me asking for that.

Conclusion - "not terrible, not great". Mostly enjoable, but terrible value for money. Feels like she is a semi pro as this point.

Boo. Sorry you had a mixed experience. But isn't "the dating game" sorta fun regardless? A couple thoughts:

I wouldn't peg her as a semi pro. I find the girls who give poor BJ are inexperienced. They try hard but aren't good at it. Some you can coach up a bit. I've definitely seen several improve A LOT. You just need to give some direction. I only recently figured out what was wrong with Sarah's BJ and it was that she didn't SUCK at all. And that makes a huge difference. Sounds like your girls issue tho you won't repeat.

Second the "talk money at the table" is a very dangerous play. I've had it work but rarely. Much better to sort the numbers ahead so you know if you are compatible. And also the heat of the moment is a bit too dicey. Your dick can get the best of you.

Regardless great to have you in the club. Just keep riding the horse. You will have some amazing experiences. I guarantee it.

[AluHut]

Ok, I finally had my first ever SA encounter in Montenegro. The girl was an obvious first chocie, as she was pretty talkative, moved to messenger without issues and had some matching kinks. Also, she never mentioned how much she wants beforehand. A bit too young for my taste (early 20's), but others were playing "hard to get" while messaging.

Those were good moments. Now not so good. After dinner she asked me how much I was thinking about and I offered 300, which I think was a bit above this country rate. She countered with 350, and I agreed because it was late and she was quioti interested in me. The body was a bit of dissapoint, especially for her age. She claims she's "average", but she is very bottom heavy including some rather unplesant belly fat. She quite strategically hides that on photos. Sex also was a mixture of good and not so good. Opend minded, active and very enthusiastic. BJ was probably one the worst I've ever had, too gentle and soft, I barely felt anything. Declined anal. Stayed well past midnight to allow two rounds, but didn't wanted to stay for night despite me asking for that.

Conclusion - "not terrible, not great". Mostly enjoable, but terrible value for money. Feels like she is a semi pro as this point.