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[DramaFree11]

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[Steve 9696]

So I took one for the team. My $60 on sugar daddy.com was total waste of money. Of the 8 or so missives I sent out, not a single response. Not one. Not even a Hi. Def avoid.

[DramaFree11]

It's because you are in your 30+. I am 60 year old, my physical shape 10/10 even for 20 year old How much time do I have to fuck girls? That is why I can't afford to waste my time. My fuel is Viagra. In 20 years, you may start to think different. But maybe I am wrong on this subject. If you are Russian read a book Andrey Kurpatov 'the 4th world war'.

M. Boy is great example of how not to act. All this guys does is brag about how great he is and yet he runs into one problem after another. I am 52 and having the best time of my life, and the most sex in my life. I meeting incredible girls, having amazing experiences.

[Igor54]

I have been flaked on countless number of times, in Medellin, Bogota, Rio, CDMX. I was always wondering how other guys manage to fuck so many girls in a short period of time. I simply can't, even if I wanted to. I consider myself lucky if I score 2 dates per week (even with repeat girls). I rarely see negative reports here, most of them are indeed rainbows and unicorns. Thanks for sharing!

It's because you are in your 30+. I am 60 year old, my physical shape 10/10 even for 20 year old How much time do I have to fuck girls? That is why I can't afford to waste my time. My fuel is Viagra. In 20 years, you may start to think different. But maybe I am wrong on this subject. If you are Russian read a book Andrey Kurpatov 'the 4th world war'.

[Pessimist]

This brings up two points. One I haven't discussed and one you helped bring up.

I can get, and have been quoted $300. Either by girls I'm not physically attracted to or girls looking for quick cash. I'm not interested in either of those so I haven't discussed here. If it's a purely physical release I'm looking for, $200/250 is about the min in my area. 45 min later I go about my day. I would not waste my time finding that on SA knowing how much work it took me to get to where I am today.

You have a good point about the $500 threshold. I'd always been told that the hottest girls almost always have self esteem issues and some may not have the gaul to ask for 4 digits in a ppm situation. Here I find the need to clarify. Of the 3 I am currently juggling while I make my final decision, 2 want $500,1 wants $1 k. My final decision will have nothing to do with their prices and everything to do with chemistry in personalities & in bed. Interestingly enough, none are interested in a monthly allowance, they all want ppm which has some security built in for me and I'm totally fine with. Probably helps them with a little guilt or whatever you want to call it when they bang someone else; I'm realistic about the entire situation but as I keep saying, I'm open to being lied to..

All good points. The thing about SA which I have emphasized a thousand times, is that it is a market place. It brings all sorts of people in. There are strictly window shoppers, people who shop only with coupons and rebates, volume shoppers, middle ground and super high end shoppers, and outright scammers and thieves, as any market can. Same thing on the service provider side. Every shopper needs to decide where he is at, what his desired spec range is, and what he will pay for it. To me, this is an unemotional process.

Through my sugarbabes, I heard of various stories. Some men never have sex; some just want to go out on dates; some were used for kink (foot, cleaning the house, etc). One really weird dude hired a girl I knew to kick him in balls (I don't know if she was telling the truth). On the slimier side, many guys want test runs (free ride the first time). One girl in Europe thanked me so much when I gave her the promised 200 Euros at the end of sex (she was unbelievable; she was with me for 2 hours and short of rimming, she did everything). She said in her prior 2 arrangements, guys had sex with her and then refused to pay. The world is a strange place indeed.

The reason I say the same girls quoting $1000 will give it away for $500 to someone else -- there are not that many men who pay $1000. So, a girl has to wait for a long time looking for one. If she finds someone like you and hits paydirt, great. But in the meanwhile there are expenses and she is broke, rent is due and car needs repair or she can't get to work and so on. So, she will cave in. Some may hold out but most of them cave in. $500 or 600 or 700 does not look too terrible even for superhot girls.

And in the early 20's or even 19/20 age range, some of them are immature and if you are sufficiently flirtatious and she likes you, even 300 is not terrible; this is most certainly true in less expensive cities. Kansas and St Louis and Omaha are not San Fran, NYC and Boston. Money goes further distance. Better yet, in these flyover cities, population is more white; when I travel to coastal cities, quite a few girls are not White in my searches and that takes me away from my spec range.

I doubt that your girls will leave you; no reason to, you are super valuable customer. Even if she found someone who pays $1,500 an outing, she can still meet you for $1,000. She does not have to disclose the other person to you. Of course, I don't know your girl and not all girls are bloody business minded, but the sensible ones would be.

[FilthyBeaver]

I did a cursory look (free) into a couple alternative SDSB sites, can't temember the names, but I found the number of accounts that had girls I was interested in were very very small. As I live in a major city and wanted results to get on and delete my account as quickly as possible, SA seemed to be the only credible option.

The whole pay per message thing just seems really sketchy to me. If they can pay a bunch of Indian or eastern Europeans pennies on the dollar to develop these apps, why can't they pay a bunch of guys named Suhkbir or Boris to engage you to keep the money flowing in their direction?

Yes SA is expensive but I can't argue with the results.

I've tried secret benefits and was not impressed. Def sucked money fast and no results. That said pickings in my town are super slim so giving Sugardaddy.com a go. Girls are totally different than on Seeking. So that's a start. Signed up for the $60 minimum and spent $50 of it contacting a handful of girls who were active today and my type. This will clearly tank quickly or produce fruit. We will see!

[DirtyDJ]

Fortunately, SA still hasn't figured out to ban you permanently based on IP address. I don't think they even want to; their main intent is to appear clean to authorities so that they can keep making obscene amounts of money. They are probably quite happy to see paid sex as long as it happens OFF their site's chat boxes.

Oh, they care, believe me. Luckily you aren't one of us wandering in the wilderness trying to sugar without SA. I've tried all sorts of things to get back on including VPNs and changing all emails, credit cards, etc etc. But it looks like I'll just have to buy a different device aka a whole different phone.

[FilthyBeaver]

This brings up two points. One I haven't discussed and one you helped bring up.

I can get, and have been quoted $300. Either by girls I'm not physically attracted to or girls looking for quick cash. I'm not interested in either of those so I haven't discussed here. If it's a purely physical release I'm looking for, $200/250 is about the min in my area. 45 min later I go about my day. I would not waste my time finding that on SA knowing how much work it took me to get to where I am today.

You have a good point about the $500 threshold. I'd always been told that the hottest girls almost always have self esteem issues and some may not have the gaul to ask for 4 digits in a ppm situation. Here I find the need to clarify. Of the 3 I am currently juggling while I make my final decision, 2 want $500,1 wants $1 k. My final decision will have nothing to do with their prices and everything to do with chemistry in personalities & in bed. Interestingly enough, none are interested in a monthly allowance, they all want ppm which has some security built in for me and I'm totally fine with. Probably helps them with a little guilt or whatever you want to call it when they bang someone else; I'm realistic about the entire situation but as I keep saying, I'm open to being lied to.

A lot of people will disagree with me on this but my attitude on pricing is really lax. I give them what they ask for. If it makes them happy theoretically they are happier with me and I get better service. As a business owner I can tell you that even though the customer is always right, when you get to a certain point you get to pick your own customers. That applies to the hottest girls especially. I have customers I hated dealing with and were aholes or whatever but raised prices on them until I started liking them. As long as they paid and kept coming back happy, who's getting hurt? Some of my most hated customers are now my most favorite, LOL.

If she thinks she got one over on me by charging me more than the last guy, great, she'll be happy until she finds someone else ready to pay more (again, realistic about what this is). But, if I start an already astronomical number (for her) AND I really genuinely like her, the chances that she'll shop around while I'm on the hook is much less (unless I creep her out but I really don't think that's going to happen, ego aside). The last thing I want is a girl to quote me a low number just because she needs something quickly, makes me "fall for her" then bails when she finds someone ready to pay $200 more. It's silly to put myself in a situation like that because I'm not willing to spend another 20-25 hrs per week on SA to set myself up in this situation again anytime soon.

Incidentally, I do intend to occasionally give her a little more than asking to make sure she understand there is more there should she ever feel the need to renegotiate. My time is everything to me and when I finally pick it will be as close to a commitment to a female as I'll probably ever make again. If I get 2+ yrs out of not having to go on SA again I'll be elated.

Yes, I get that and of course it is your money but my point was that the same girl to whom you are giving that $1 K would just as quickly agree to $500 if you held firm. I think $300 is a bit out of norm as my flyover country location is a less expensive place. So, if you held firm she would come around and you could have twice as many sessions, that's my view anyway. But as you said, your intent is actually to help out that girl, that is fine. BTW, didn't mean to insult you at all, hope you didn't take it that way. I was just expressing my views on pricing.

To be honest, much of what you wrote above suggests you are an ideal SD that girls die for. No girl considers me as such. I talk to hundreds of girls literally, and to me they don't trigger any emotions other than hormonal responses. I have a family, this is strictly a physical activity..

[Steve 9696]

Have you tried sugardaddy.com? Just curious. Seems easier to deal with than SA.

I've tried secret benefits and was not impressed. Def sucked money fast and no results. That said pickings in my town are super slim so giving Sugardaddy.com a go. Girls are totally different than on Seeking. So that's a start. Signed up for the $60 minimum and spent $50 of it contacting a handful of girls who were active today and my type. This will clearly tank quickly or produce fruit. We will see!

[NapataJohn]

I have tried it a while ago, also secretbenefits and one or two other sites; personally I hated them..

Excellent points. Thanks. I used another one called sugardaddyforme and that was awesome in some parts of the country like CA but really bad in other parts of the country but I agree SA is best. Need to take conversation off the chat and onto Whatsapp or so.

[The Cane]

Have you tried sugardaddy.com? Just curious. Seems easier to deal with than SA.

SA reinstated my account! I'm back with it. I will try it for like three months and see what happens. I think that's enough time for me to know whether I like it or not.

[Pessimist]

Have you tried sugardaddy.com? Just curious. Seems easier to deal with than SA.

I have tried it a while ago, also secretbenefits and one or two other sites; personally I hated them. You got to pay for each conversation. If you speak with only one girl and hit it off and off the site you both go, then yeah they are great choices. On the other hand, if you talk to dozens of new girls as I do daily, easily exceeding 100 to 150 new ones a month (not to mention, keep talking to the older sugarbabes you said Hello, a while ago), then the money runs down fast. On sugardaddy.com, for $290 you buy 1000 credits but each convo with a girl costs 10 credits and another 10 for seeing her pics I think. Which means if yoou see the pics and have a convo, you are out of 1000 credits after hitting up 50 girls. A measly 50. Sometimes I hit up that many in 2 days.

For 240 (and if you buy a discounted fare, then 180) for 3 months on SA, you get unlimited convos with unlimited # girls.

With the amount of time and convos I spent on SA, if I had to do the same amount of consumption on sugardaddy, it will cost several thousands.

Not to mention, the sheer # of girls on seeking is clearly way higher on seeking, at least in my city. I always said this can differ from city to city. It is possible sugardaddy or secretbenefits is better in some other city; I would not know.

You should always check out which site has the most doable girls in YOUR own city, in your spec range (for me that would be white girls in the < 25, with slim bodies). If sugardaddy has 10 times as many good girls in San Fran and London, it would mean nothing to me because I am not sugardating in those cities most of the time.

Anyway, I am not going back to any other sites. I haven't been on those other sites in a few years (tried out a few sites in my earlier years of sugardating) and know that seeking is the best for me.

If ever seeking kicks me out, I will use a different email and rejoin. Yes, I would be pissed if they take my money and kick me out but if you want to keep sugardating, just have to swallow pride / anger and go back to SA with tail between legs, no other choice of that caliber. Fortunately, SA still hasn't figured out to ban you permanently based on IP address. I don't think they even want to; their main intent is to appear clean to authorities so that they can keep making obscene amounts of money. They are probably quite happy to see paid sex as long as it happens OFF their site's chat boxes.

[NapataJohn]

And just like that, I'm done with SA! !

Have you tried sugardaddy.com? Just curious. Seems easier to deal with than SA.

[Pessimist]

I find no fault in anything you said but I guess I haven't made myself clear. What I want and what I pay works for me. I would never expect it to work for you or anyone else. I'm divorced, in decent (non dad-body) shape, have a gorgeous house, car and a little money. A catch really, don't want kids, don't want a family, don't want a girlfriend. I want to see an incredibly gorgeous engaging young lady 2-3 times per month (for an afternoon / evening and possibly sleepover). Note: that means less than once a week. I don't want to juggle girls as I'm happy with one who piques my interest and convinces me she's there for me and not my money (I'm totally open to being lied to BTW).

I don't want 5 sessions a month at any price. I also don't see anything wrong with helping said lady reach her goals in life. It's quite satisfying. I'm not leaving what I have to anyone in particular and I can only own so many pairs of pants and eat so many lobsters. Don't play golf or have have horribly expensive hobbies aside from, as it turns out, trying to make a legitimate connection with a girl I would have had zero chance with when I was in my early 20's..

Yes, I get that and of course it is your money but my point was that the same girl to whom you are giving that $1 K would just as quickly agree to $500 if you held firm. I think $300 is a bit out of norm as my flyover country location is a less expensive place. So, if you held firm she would come around and you could have twice as many sessions, that's my view anyway. But as you said, your intent is actually to help out that girl, that is fine. BTW, didn't mean to insult you at all, hope you didn't take it that way. I was just expressing my views on pricing.

To be honest, much of what you wrote above suggests you are an ideal SD that girls die for. No girl considers me as such. I talk to hundreds of girls literally, and to me they don't trigger any emotions other than hormonal responses. I have a family, this is strictly a physical activity.

Of course, super high end escorts and models that want some money on the side may charge several thousands for a discreet thing. So, $1,000 is reasonable enough by that count. However, on the seeking site, I don't think such girls are registering, simply because their prospective clients are not on seeking. Most girls coming onto seeking expect less.

Also, the really fresh 20-24 slim bodied innocent-type beauties who are my prime spec actually demand less. For some reason, the slightly lower quality be grade types quote inflated amounts; almost all the ladies who gave me $1 K+ quotes were actually lower quality (looks wise) than the fresh beauties who are more in the 500-600 range. Most of my patience goes into snagging some of those 500-600 girls for 300+. If I flashed 500 in my region, I would pretty much not need to negotiate whatsoever, it would be generally a "floodgates opened" situation.

[Akibono]

So close and yet so far.

Had a few girls engaged in my quest for an evening meetup. At lunch the only sure one was a Thai hooker who "didn't have time" for dinner and drinks but would come to my room for 400. So that was the backup plan.

At about 2 PM I snagged my date for the night. A very pretty PR and Italian mix but a bit heavy on the backside. With massive tits to match at least. No figure discussed. She seemed more about meeting up than the $$ but figured I would just play by ear. She was very down to meet and when I said I didn't know how it would work with my hotel and hour away from her she said she'the come to me. So she both put skin in the game and acknowledged hotel location was important. So far so good.

Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on.

Given how little you invested, it makes sense to play along. She needs the money. If you chase, she just asks more. Because she is not a bombshell, her options are limited. I predict she will be back. No reason to bail so soon.