Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

This Moscow chick was viewing my profile and she looked reasonably hot, so I began chatting. After a brief amount of flirting, I asked her what the allowance expectations would be in Moscow and she claims $1,500 a week. Isn't cost of living in Moscow a fraction of what it is in the US? I wrote earlier that US 18-20 year olds seem to be dumb these days and this Moscow chick is no better. But I think she is deluded, if I were really in Moscow, it is probably not tough to get a bunch of deals at 200 or less.

Been there done it. $200-350 you will be banging super hot chicks, all day long. I was hanging out there a lot before Covid it was cheap, I am not sure now, but I doubt prices have went up significantly. I loved it there, but times have changed. I am not sure I will go back, with the same amount of money and some hard work I can have the same quality girls in Mxico.

Russian girls are super hot but they are delusional about life. There expectations are so unrealistic. I think they get 6-8 weeks off a year, plus holidays. They think this is normal.

[Steve 9696]

Damn. I have been blessed with so many 23 year old hotties my world view has changed.

Went to dinner with my wife. But couldn't help notice the gorgeous couple a table away. He's a built guy with a the'Artagnan mustache and beard and amazing flowing hair. Super handsome dude. And his date is a gorgeous brunette spinner wearing a mini dress with negligée top and thigh high boots. Both 22-23 I'the say. The perfect couple.

A few years ago I would have thought oh what a perfect couple. Ah, the splendors of youth!

Instead I'm thinking — why are you there with this loser. He's only going to fuck you for 20 seconds and then cum and get a beer from the fridge. You should be riding me till the cows come home!

Hahaha I have a whole new perspective since SA!

[NapataJohn]

This Moscow chick was viewing my profile and she looked reasonably hot, so I began chatting.

How about St Petersburg in Russia? Has pretty girls and many good sights.

[NapataJohn]

What do you think your success rate would be if you did not offer or negotiate the price upfront like some posters here suggest?

I always say I will offer them 400 and give them up and down uber and case of beer or many wine bottles. Seems self defeating if the deal does not go through. I value time a lot rather than the money. If its more expensive than 400, example she says 600 then I meet them less times that is all. I would rather have good sessions and memories than nothing. Hahaha.

[FilthyBeaver]

I've been a few times, not cheap at all but I'd say she falls into the category of delusional girls that laid out a few posts back. Like everything else it depends on what you're after and what kind of time you have. If you're there for a week the only sure thing (and most expensive) are strip clubs or escorts. If you're there for a month or more you might have time to get a normal or sa girl. I think 200 is probably out of the question though.

This Moscow chick was viewing my profile and she looked reasonably hot, so I began chatting. After a brief amount of flirting, I asked her what the allowance expectations would be in Moscow and she claims $1,500 a week. Isn't cost of living in Moscow a fraction of what it is in the US? I wrote earlier that US 18-20 year olds seem to be dumb these days and this Moscow chick is no better. But I think she is deluded, if I were really in Moscow, it is probably not tough to get a bunch of deals at 200 or less.

[Pessimist]

This Moscow chick was viewing my profile and she looked reasonably hot, so I began chatting. After a brief amount of flirting, I asked her what the allowance expectations would be in Moscow and she claims $1,500 a week. Isn't cost of living in Moscow a fraction of what it is in the US? I wrote earlier that US 18-20 year olds seem to be dumb these days and this Moscow chick is no better. But I think she is deluded, if I were really in Moscow, it is probably not tough to get a bunch of deals at 200 or less.

[WyattEarp]

Please clear your inbox. You guys just don't actively manage your messages do you?

Sorry I got a bunch of incoming. I like to hold on to some emails for information purposes.

I deleted some emails to make room for new incoming.

[NeilGeorge]

I kept detailed notes when I was active on SA, and if my memory serves me correctly, I had 11 or 12 freebies out of around 23 gals that I had relations with. Of course, they were not really freebies because I paid for all of our fancy meals and drinks, our outings, and trips. I just never gave them cash. I sometimes offered them cash, but they scoffed at it. Who were these gals? They were just gals that just wanted to date successful guys. And they just wanted to have fun, but they just wanted someone else pay for it. Their ages ranged from 20 to mid-40's. Most of them were okay financially, so they were not in it just for money. They also genuinely liked me.

Among the dozen gals that were PPMs or arrangements, a few of those also eventually became freebies. After a while, they just grew attached to me. For some women, they cannot have sex with the same guy all the time without eventually having some feelings for him. And so, a few of my PPMs and arrangements eventually stopped taking money and just wanted to keep dating, especially if they thought that I was losing interest.

BTW, I am not bragging. This was from almost two years of work. I was just perseverant and choosy. I contacted between 5,000 and 10,000 gals. So, my success rate was miniscule. To be honest, I don't think I could do SA again..

Every "freebie" that I had never came back again. They probably felt short changed. Its their expectation, no matter how great the man was. And many of the cheaper ones turned out to be skanks. Lately a lot of them have had butt odor, when doing doggie. Women don't bathe anymore, they take quick showers and fail to cleanse their butt hole. I hate the stink!

[Midwestern]

I kept detailed notes when I was active on SA, and if my memory serves me correctly, I had 11 or 12 freebies out of around 23 gals that I had relations with. Of course, they were not really freebies because I paid for all of our fancy meals and drinks, our outings, and trips. I just never gave them cash. I sometimes offered them cash, but they scoffed at it. Who were these gals? They were just gals that just wanted to date successful guys. And they just wanted to have fun, but they just wanted someone else pay for it. Their ages ranged from 20 to mid-40's. Most of them were okay financially, so they were not in it just for money. They also genuinely liked me.

Among the dozen gals that were PPMs or arrangements, a few of those also eventually became freebies. After a while, they just grew attached to me. For some women, they cannot have sex with the same guy all the time without eventually having some feelings for him. And so, a few of my PPMs and arrangements eventually stopped taking money and just wanted to keep dating, especially if they thought that I was losing interest.

BTW, I am not bragging. This was from almost two years of work. I was just perseverant and choosy. I contacted between 5,000 and 10,000 gals. So, my success rate was miniscule. To be honest, I don't think I could do SA again.

From my reading of Steve's many successful conquests on SA, I bet if he did not negotiate the terms up front, he would have scored a bunch of freebies by now. In fact, I think he's about to land a freebie.

[SamPeter71]

I see great informative posts on SA. I just signed up on SA premium membership. I am looking for 18 to 22 year old petite / slim with no children.

For now, I started searching only at Mexico city and Guadalajara. I don't speak Spanish. Some English and some google translation is helping me.

I messaged over 100 girls in CDMX / Guadalajara and around 30% responded so far in 48 hours.

Some are asking upfront about the terms / and some are not asking anything about the terms / yet. May be this will come when we are close to meeting.

What is the average rate / range that I should stick to in these markets for my type of girl mentioned above. Also when they ask what I am looking for, what do, I say? Is it that sex is implicit in these sites? That is why we are at SA right? How do you ask the right questions? Also I am asking for WhatsApp as I may not keep the premium membership active for long time.

Any tips / suggestions.

Thanks in advance.

[DramaFree11]

Perhaps you are right. That's a great success rate in Mexico, good for you! I should say a few things, fairly obvious points: (a) these percent's are imprecise, I did not calculate with a spreadsheet (b) individual mileage will vary; in the same, same prices, one dude will have more success than some other, just the nature of this game (c) there will be variation between cities and most definitely countries (d) depends on how much we are willing to pay; pay high enough, you can have 100% success rate and vice versa (e) my target spec is White / early 20's, slim bodied, pretty girls; they usually demand highest amounts (f) I am very disciplined and don't pay up.

Also, my 2% number is based on actual sex encounters. There are many more girls who say yes to my offer but due to scheduling etc we did not make it happen. I am having difficulty making up enough excuses to leave the house as I have a family and we still have work from home at my company. If I was single and could fuck whenever I wanted, my success rates would be much higher. So, if a girl says "hey, I am free, come over to my place or can I come to you" at 11 PM on Wednesday night, I can't say yes but if I was single, I could do that. That makes a huge difference.

All in all, SA is a great experience. Much better than Tinder etc. Yes, the fee is high but if you avail of the discounted fare, it is only $200 for 3 months which is worth it. (P.S.: SA should offer a discount annual sale, say $600 to $700). The reason some guys are frustrated is because they have inflated, unrealistic expectations. The problem is them. To me, SA is a resource. It is up to the monger how efficiently he will use the resource.

I agree SA is great. It has totally changed my life, in a positive way. You will not here me complaining about SA.

[DramaFree11]

What do you think your success rate would be if you did not offer or negotiate the price upfront like some posters here suggest?

Very low. Everybody pays. Even my buddy Elvis.

[Steve 9696]

What do you think your success rate would be if you did not offer or negotiate the price upfront like some posters here suggest?

Actually now that you mention it, when I think back to my recent sex fail I wonder if it would have gone differently if I'd followed my usual protocol and decided up front. Thinking she's on her back in my room, tits out, and I'm heading down and she knows she's going home with $400 if we just proceed or zero if we don't. I have to wonder if that mighta ended differently.

Back to following my playbook!

[Pessimist]

What do you think your success rate would be if you did not offer or negotiate the price upfront like some posters here suggest?

These are my guesstimates within the search results I obtain. My searches are done with the following parameters: Race: White, Pacific Islander, Latino, Asian, middle Eastern, Native American; Age: 18-30; body shape: slim, athletic, curvy, average. Within 100 miles of me.

I never see older ladies, other ethnicity women, 'a few extra pounds" etc.

I don't care about smoking, height, etc.

Oh, I filter out trans, seeking trans, anything with trans. That would be my nightmare; we check into a room, she pulls down panties and has "a dangling little her".

I think at any given time, in my 100 mile range, I see 150 to 200 girls online (during peak times could be 250+). Over a week, my guess would be that there are 500 to 800 girls in that spec range in my 100 mile range. Perhaps higher. So, it would appear I am somewhat lucky; for fun, I checked the same in various European cities and numbers are far smaller. * For example I just checked out Novosibirisk in Russia because Siberian girls are supposed to be hot. There is one girl online at the moment (it is morning there), 4 who logged in the last 24 hours, 3 more who logged in last week. Yes, they are all fucking super hot, but just 7 who logged in a week.

I do say Hello, (copy / paste message, generally 3 or 4 lines with how cute they are, I want to get to know them and I will provide help promise; no reference to sex whatsoever) to a fair number if the face is attractive enough. Since I limited search by race, body type, age etc, the only deciding factor is facial attraction. I typically don't bother to read what they wrote in their bios. It is BS anyway. I had sex with girls who claimed they want to be strictly platonic, and a ton of girls who say in the bio "down for anything" coyly inform me they want to be online only. Clearly "anything" has a different meaning in their dictionary.

I would say, 30% or more are total scammers. I. E. They might be dudes sitting in some foreign country looking to scam some money off horny US gentlemen. As I mentioned, of late, these DeFi / crypto scammers have propped up. They usually front with a model-type Asian women, very skinny, glossy photos, almost Eurasian faces; age is often listed 30 but she looks 21; more than half are listed as divorced, single moms etc. They are always traveling, half have London apartments (plural), they are not here for money but want a romantic relationship and they can't meet because of the travels. Not sure why, this scammer type has been infesting my area. I was curious if others are seeing them in their searches.

At least a third or more will not have sex whatsoever. Platonic only. Nearly 80% of 18-20 age group falls into this category. Most of them do not even want to meet. Some of these girls can be totally clueless. Sometimes I play along with them; several said they don't need much, just enough to meet their current living expenses, and then quoted they want $1,500 to $2,000 a week for chatting, texting, some non-nude pics. Sometimes I weep about the intelligence of my country's future women, if these are representative samples. Or perhaps there are some guys who actually are that gullible.

I'd say, the remaining (may be a third) are open to meet, perhaps to sex. Since I don't outright ask for sex due to concern about sting operations, it is always somewhat implied, never stated. I typically ask to meet for a drink / coffee meet. Here, many discussions break down. Quite a few want upfront payment for the intro meet. "why should I meet you and spend time if I don't get compensated" is a common refrain. So, the more malleable / honest ones agree to meet if I promise them I will pay something for the intro meet (which I don't). The less flexible / less honest ones want a Cashapp / Venmo payment before they agree to come over. Obviously, only the dumbest people ever do that.

The change I have seen is that prepandemic to now, the percent demanding upfront payment has spiked up a lot. Very puzzling because so many are broke and need money.

Some of them are full of themselves. "my time is of value" they arrogantly claim. I mean so many of them are making minimum wage or nothing, and here I make hundreds an hour if I divide my annual comp by the number of hours I work, and I am being told their time is too valuable.

A small percent agreed to meet, I confirmed they are still coming before I start driving, and it is a no-show. That's right, the bloody b) t) h had no intention to show up but said "yes I am on my way". The gall these girls have talking about wasting time on scammers.

That leaves really 10-20% who are truly interested and will meet and have sex and all that; since I will always have a allowance negotiation prior to a intro coffee meet, and with my strict discipline, I lose quite a few there.

If I was ready to pay $500 or even more (say the $1000 that the other gentleman was paying), perhaps these percent's would be larger, even much larger. It is possible many of the girls who want upfront payment for a coffee meet may not demand it if I said I pay $1000 ppm. But I stay honest and tell them my allowance limit and I will not budge.

So, how am I snagging any girls at all? (a) because even a small percent of 800 is a big enough number (b) time and patience. I have been on the site for 6 years now and accumulated contacts help. Not contacts from 6 years, mind you. The shelf life of these girls is maybe 2 to 4 years max. I see very few girls on the site who I had seen 3 years ago* or 4 years ago. Of course, if someone was 26 years old 4 years ago, she is pushing 30 now and I filter her out with my screens.

With all these things said, in just 4 to 5 months, I have phone#s of at least 15 to 20 girls who agreed to everything and ready to have sex and I did have sex with 5 or 6 of them, all of them new contacts since I rejoined the site in late August I think. So, time and law of large numbers are on your side. Be patient, enjoy the process, enjoy the chats even with obvious scammers (I even enjoy the chats with the DeFi scammers even though I spot them off the bat). If I was not married and could meet a girl anytime of the day / week, then I am fairly confident I can have sex on 4 to 5 days a week if not all 7. Once a girl had sex with you, she knows you are safe, will pay as promised, don't hurt her physically, she wants that money and will meet multiple times a week.

I also have seen the good girls being flexible at lower prices but also a lot more scammers. On the face of it, that seems paradoxical. If the supply worsened, more scammers can be expected; but why are the good girls available at cheaper prices than earlier? Tough to say.

4 to 5 years ago, that 800 number I quoted above was significantly lower. But scammer percent was also way low. As the site became better known, everyone flocked onto the site. In this regard, I see parallels to German FKKs which is my other mongering outlet (in normal times).

[MiamiBoy1]

That said, I don't disagree that SA is a lot of work. I used to think success rate is 5% to 10% at most, now it is probably 2%. I. E. If I send a "Hello, how are you?" message to 100 girls, the chance that I will actually fuck one of them is 2/100, AT the price point I want to. Even if I went up to $500 or more, the chance only increases to 10% to 20%.

What do you think your success rate would be if you did not offer or negotiate the price upfront like some posters here suggest?