Seeking Arrangements

[Pessimist]

Yea sorry you stated you can get $300 in flyover states and I have no experience to map to that. So surely it is true. All my experience is in bigger coastal cities and I've found it hard to find hotties in the two second tier cities I visit.

Unlike you I experience higher post pandemic prices but that may be on me. I do not negotiate hard or at all since the girls seem to be struggling more. My economics haven't taken a hit. Actually they are better than ever so I find it hard to argue the money is better off with me than them. I mean its usually $100 thats under discussion (3 vs 4 or 4 vs 5) and if I date every other week thats only $2600/year if I cave. Honestly that really means very little to me. Def at my age experiences matter way more than money. Hey I maybe have talked myself into a new pricepoint. LOL.

From the sheer volume of sessions you seem to take (as seen in the reports), you clearly take many more girls and sessions than I do. In fact, if you are not writing up every session, your volumes may be even higher. I think you stated you are also married and I am almost tempted to ask how you manage the time / absence aspects, but that would be a prying into your personal affairs, so I won't (not unless you want to volunteer such info hehe For me personally, getting away for sessions and having to explain where I am going is the hardest impediment to more sessions. This has been especially true w / the pandemic and working from home. Business trips, client meetings, late night business dinners are all out, which means excuses are tougher to find. (but even in earlier years I had never been a super prolific user; in almost 6 years minus the pandemic time on SA, my guess is, I had sex with 70+ girls off SA; I suspect you may be doing that in a year or two).

The upside from this forced celibacy is that I can be more patient. Say in a week, I can get out for only one or two sex sessions at the most, hence there is no reason to accept every offer even after we discussed all the details and agreed on the price. I think I said in some prior post that I have full agreed deals with 15 to 20 girls but sex w / only 5 to 7 new girls in the last few months (some of those 5 to 7 were repeated). Pretty much every girl I had a deal agreed with was someone I would have been happy to fuck. On the flip side, I noticed that many girls (real ones anyway, not the scammers) are eager to get going and meet up / have a session when the discussion progresses to price point, details etc. It is almost as if they have accepted sex with a specific man mentally, which means the physical aspect of it whenever it happens is much more easy to deal with. Anyway, that is my observation and I don't know if I am clueless or if there is any truth to my theory.

For instance, there is this single mom; slim white girl, 24, sent me a few pics, looks great. She is very careful about her identity. Has a single pic on SA and that too w / shirt pulled up to cover the lower half of her face. At first she did not respond, then slowly opened up. Agreed to 300 ppm; I was supposed to meet at her place because her baby is a toddler and she has no sitter. But something came up, visit got canceled, then again something happened, I forgot for a while, etc. And then we began talking again. She is desperate for money; on her own she said I am happy to take 250. If I was mean and bargained hard, she would take 200, my guess. I am hoping to meet her soon.

[Steve 9696]

You're a better, stronger (and apparently wealthier) man than I am. I'm just getting started, and I can barely keep up already! Got a cute, white, brunette, "girl next door" type who is very interested into entering into an "arrangement" with The Cane! Well, she calls me by something else. "Daddy" hahaha!

Dude. I am watching your spin up with interest. I love that you are putting in the time and will get the reward. These guys who label it too much work have just not seen the light. You def are doing the right thing. Only difference between you and me is time. I started in June 2019. So I have 2. 5 years of reaping rewards.

As I've said before, don't cut girls loose after you see them. Keep them in the harem. Midwestern famously said once a girl fucks you she will fuck you again and he is so right. So after 2. 5 years I have girls I can see by just saying I'm coming to town in 6, maybe 7 cities. Some I have multiple choices in that city. This is just from "doing it" for a while. Nothing too magic but following the rules and putting in the time.

P.S. Are you saying you had an in person meetup with said hottie? That's exciting. Looking forward to an update.

[Steve 9696]

This is not accurate. I can personally state very definitely I am able to procure at 300 or even 250, and have done so. As I stated a few times, prices are actually lower now than they were pre pandemic. As always, location matters and the resolve of the dude matters. More patience, more search lead to better outcomes. And the girls I seek and have sex with are White, sub-25, slim girls who are pretty to me. If I wanted Latina, black girls, I'd think they may be at lower amounts but I filter out all dark skinned girls. Surprisingly, some Latinas have inflated self worth and have quoted absurdly high prices. If they are fair skinned, have no exaggerated Latino features (face or body), then they could command similar rates as White girls. But yes, 300 is absolutely doable. Not in coastal expensive cities but in the inland empire, they are feasible.

Yea sorry you stated you can get $300 in flyover states and I have no experience to map to that. So surely it is true. All my experience is in bigger coastal cities and I've found it hard to find hotties in the two second tier cities I visit.

Unlike you I experience higher post pandemic prices but that may be on me. I do not negotiate hard or at all since the girls seem to be struggling more. My economics haven't taken a hit. Actually they are better than ever so I find it hard to argue the money is better off with me than them. I mean it’s usually $100 that’s under discussion (3 vs 4 or 4 vs 5) and if I date every other week that’s only $2600/year if I cave. Honestly that really means very little to me. Def at my age experiences matter way more than money. Hey I maybe have talked myself into a new pricepoint. LOL.

[Kilkelly4u]

Haven't seen you around so the following maybe redundant if you are a lurker. But Midwestern who hosts this thread is the resident expert on Shanghai and might be a great resource for you.

Also I read in the Shanghai thread that Manhattan and Judy's are back open but maybe at least capacity. Prepandemic Manhattan was one of my favorite places on earth. Fifty Viet hotties all clamoring to make you their boy toy. Damn I loved that place. Def worth poking about and seeing current status.

Thanks very much Steve! I've been around for some time, but only started posting (in Shanghai and Hangzhou threads) a few weeks ago. As to Manhattan and Judy's, sadly it's not what it used to be: actually went there last night after the date, some 10 overcharging (but hot!) Viet's. Not nearly as much fun as 4-5 years ago.

[DramaFree11]

Your approach is way more complicated and would not work for the majority of mongers who got limited time. I doubt somebody would ever go your route setting up 2-3 meet and greets per day while on vacation or business trip, it is just not feasible. But it might work for someone who is looking for a SB in his local area, makes much more sense to invest some time in order to find a long-term arrangement.

Obviously, SW will go to your hotel / apartment, but will they provide GFE? Highly doubt it, even if the money is right. Pussycat is right, you can't compare good GFE which most Seeking girls provide vs some lousy service SW provide, it is day and night.

Again, this is not true. I am living this lifestyle. I just do not understand why you are having so much problems. You need to look at yourself and figure out what you are doing wrong. How is old guys succeed and you are having all these issue.

I just got back from MTY. The Venz. Chick flew and we spent Saturday night together. We had a great time, then Sunday after the models parents left, we were hanging out together.

[The Cane]

They all want me. That's what I keep telling myself. Yeah it's probably my wallet but a white lie never hurt anyone. Anyhow I am really having a bit of a time juggling a handful of babies both local and remote. I guess it's a good problem to have! Tho it does hurt my budget which is totally blown and well beyond.

So I just met Shayla the Cambodian hottie who I am in love with. And she wants to meetup this week as do I. Meanwhile Layla emerged from the ashes and is ready to rumble again. She wants to meet this week also. Think I can make both happen and trying to space a couple days.

Then I am booking a trip that hits two cities. Fortunately in city one I only have one girl. But in city two I have Kayla who has quit her job so I don't want to bag on her but in the meantime found a Thai girl I want to try out (kicking the no sex on first date girl to curb). So I'm going to give Kayla two nights and the Thai girl one night this round and then consider what next..

You're a better, stronger (and apparently wealthier) man than I am. I'm just getting started, and I can barely keep up already! Got a cute, white, brunette, "girl next door" type who is very interested into entering into an "arrangement" with The Cane! Well, she calls me by something else. "Daddy" hahaha!

[Steve 9696]

They all want me. That's what I keep telling myself. Yeah it's probably my wallet but a white lie never hurt anyone. Anyhow I am really having a bit of a time juggling a handful of babies both local and remote. I guess it's a good problem to have! Tho it does hurt my budget which is totally blown and well beyond.

So I just met Shayla the Cambodian hottie who I am in love with. And she wants to meetup this week as do I. Meanwhile Layla emerged from the ashes and is ready to rumble again. She wants to meet this week also. Think I can make both happen and trying to space a couple days.

Then I am booking a trip that hits two cities. Fortunately in city one I only have one girl. But in city two I have Kayla who has quit her job so I don't want to bag on her but in the meantime found a Thai girl I want to try out (kicking the no sex on first date girl to curb). So I'm going to give Kayla two nights and the Thai girl one night this round and then consider what next.

And fuck damn I have work and family and all that shit too. It's almost too stressful juggling the babies! But my dick will thank me for it. And you know what they say "Happy dick happy life!" Or maybe that's just me that says that. 😋.

[Steve 9696]

Been on SA with subscription for about a couple of weeks now, browsing through Shanghai SBs. Going on my first date tonight. Should be a M&G, could be more or I might get stood up. Wish me luck and I'll submit a report on both the date and the search experience later!

Haven't seen you around so the following maybe redundant if you are a lurker. But Midwestern who hosts this thread is the resident expert on Shanghai and might be a great resource for you.

Also I read in the Shanghai thread that Manhattan and Judy's are back open but maybe at least capacity. Prepandemic Manhattan was one of my favorite places on earth. Fifty Viet hotties all clamoring to make you their boy toy. Damn I loved that place. Def worth poking about and seeing current status.

[Pessimist]

Been on SA with subscription for about a couple of weeks now, browsing through Shanghai SBs. Going on my first date tonight. Should be a M&G, could be more or I might get stood up. Wish me luck and I'll submit a report on both the date and the search experience later!

I am less interested in details of sex and much more about details of the process. Such as: how many girls are in your area, age / attractiveness / other attributes, how many responded back to your initial message, how did the discussions proceed, pricing negotiations, range of prices quoted, how many girls actually show up to the date v how many cat fish / ghost, did you discuss sex directly or were afraid to due to local legality (isn't prostitution illegal in China and if they catch you, consequences could be dire?) and other such matters.

[Pessimist]

You can get a heavier or less attractive girl prob for that $300. But I don't know any top shelf girl in the US going for 300 these days. Maybe can get some for 4 (this seems to be the new floor) and 500 is prob more like it and you will have to work for that.

This is not accurate. I can personally state very definitely I am able to procure at 300 or even 250, and have done so. As I stated a few times, prices are actually lower now than they were pre pandemic. As always, location matters and the resolve of the dude matters. More patience, more search lead to better outcomes. And the girls I seek and have sex with are White, sub-25, slim girls who are pretty to me. If I wanted Latina, black girls, I'd think they may be at lower amounts but I filter out all dark skinned girls. Surprisingly, some Latinas have inflated self worth and have quoted absurdly high prices. If they are fair skinned, have no exaggerated Latino features (face or body), then they could command similar rates as White girls. But yes, 300 is absolutely doable. Not in coastal expensive cities but in the inland empire, they are feasible.

[Kilkelly4u]

Been on SA with subscription for about a couple of weeks now, browsing through Shanghai SBs. Going on my first date tonight. Should be a M&G, could be more or I might get stood up. Wish me luck and I'll submit a report on both the date and the search experience later!

[Elvis 2008]

I paid the $100 to message women and have been writing and sending some text messages but nothing. I have found one really hot blonde and she wanted $500 and that is above what I want. I am in Colorado so maybe it is my state. I am not sure but right now I am just going back to CDMX for now and will spend the money there.

Maybe Mexico and Mde has broken me but I am will to spend $300 but it seems a few of these chicks want an allowance and that is not what I want. I have another 2 weeks or so before my renewal hits, so if anyone has any tips I am willing to listen, but I think the chicks in the US think their pussy are made of gold and charge that.

What I would do Jbj is just forget about the USA. I would head to Mexico City and focus on women who have visas to come to the USA. About one in 2 or one in 3 women I met there had them. Establish a relationship with them. Maybe fly to Cancun or Acapulco first and then meet them here. Make sure you have plenty of photos if you are single and claim that she is your GF when she comes here. Get a debit or gift card in her name and the first time have her pay her own ticket. If you are married, I would fly your gals to somewhere in Mexico like a border town like Tijuana or Juarez that you can easily get to and hang out with her on weekends. With those towns, you can just fly to El Paso or San Diego and walk across. Walking back in San Diego is a pain in the ass but Juarez is not as bad.

I had a woman I flew from Mexico to Texas three times, paid her $500 for 3 to 5 days and fucked the shit out of her those days. Just read the federal law the Mann Act and make sure that there is no way what you are doing could be described if trafficking. I would be weary of doing this if you were married, but do all you can to show she is your GF is you are single or get her a different excuse if she is coming to the USA. It is too bad she turned out to be mentally ill. The crazy ones usually are the best fucks though.

[MiamiBoy1]

SP, Pussycat gives decent advice with regards to using seeking in communication to a point. The problem is he openly admits that he is chasing barrio (ghetto) girls and acts like a john in soliciting them. He even gives out prices.

When I was in Bogota, I read the forum and no one gave any tips about how to use it. I think I was the first, and that was in 2019. What happened is that most of the women I met had never met any guy from the site. Time and again, I would meet the women, talk to them, they would get excited about being a sugar baby and fuck me without any mention of price. Soon after, I realized the times where no price was mentioned was way better than women who wanted a set price.

All in all, the better value for sex in Bogota were working girls. On average, these women were better in bed and better looking than the seeking girls. Pussycat says you cannot compare a 2 hour GFE versus a street walker but the SW will give you GFE and travel with you to your hotel if the money is right, and the money often would be the same or less as he was offering.

He even says the women he sought out were probably on other sites and that he pursued regular girls not models. Well, I wanted models, ones that were great in bed and would not dream of being on other sites.

Bogota has a numbering system of strata 1 to 6. The best neighborhoods are rated 6. See the link: https://www.colture.co/bogota/tips/t...m-in-colombia/.

Half the people are in strata 1 and 2. What does it mean if you get a girl from there? Think Harlem, Watts, or South side of Chicago. So would you expect a difference between a girl from the South side of Chicago in comparison to one on Michigan Avenue? That is the difference between 1 versus 6.

That James Bond thing he talked about was directed at me. Thing is I did not wine and dine women. I would meet them for a drink or snack at my hotel for a 30 to 60 minute interview and had on average 3 dates per day. I do not understand where he gets off saying he was fucking 5 X as many women as I did. Quite often, I was all fucked out. The point of my interviewing the women was to put them in the category of not interested, ho, or possible SB material. Thing is that I never would consider a SB if she was horrible in bed so they had to pass that part as well.

Point is that Pussycat has a great guide for getting the most women off seeking. I am not sure that is a great value though considering how cheap and easy you can find working girls, and he even alludes to that. I was interested in the best women though not the most women so use my methods if that is what you are interested in.

Your approach is way more complicated and would not work for the majority of mongers who got limited time. I doubt somebody would ever go your route setting up 2-3 meet and greets per day while on vacation or business trip, it is just not feasible. But it might work for someone who is looking for a SB in his local area, makes much more sense to invest some time in order to find a long-term arrangement.

Obviously, SW will go to your hotel / apartment, but will they provide GFE? Highly doubt it, even if the money is right. Pussycat is right, you can't compare good GFE which most Seeking girls provide vs some lousy service SW provide, it is day and night.

[Steve 9696]

I paid the $100 to message women and have been writing and sending some text messages but nothing. I have found one really hot blonde and she wanted $500 and that is above what I want. I am in Colorado so maybe it is my state. I am not sure but right now I am just going back to CDMX for now and will spend the money there.

Maybe Mexico and Mde has broken me but I am will to spend $300 but it seems a few of these chicks want an allowance and that is not what I want. I have another 2 weeks or so before my renewal hits, so if anyone has any tips I am willing to listen, but I think the chicks in the US think their pussy are made of gold and charge that.

No doubt if you get with girls outside the US, especially where prostitution is legal, you are going to get amazing girls and amazing price points. You honestly cannot compare the two. If you want an 8 for under $200 you can get that a lot of places. But not here. So you have to ask urself this. Can I do without pussy while at home stateside? Because if not you have to compromise in some way:

You can get a heavier or less attractive girl prob for that $300. But I don't know any top shelf girl in the US going for 300 these days. Maybe can get some for 4 (this seems to be the new floor) and 500 is prob more like it and you will have to work for that.

If u have been international u have been ruined for life. Unless you have the budget. Then the US door is wide open. you just can't compare the two at all. In the US $300 is unlikely to get what you are looking for in my experience.

[The Cane]

I paid the $100 to message women and have been writing and sending some text messages but nothing. I have found one really hot blonde and she wanted $500 and that is above what I want. I am in Colorado so maybe it is my state. I am not sure but right now I am just going back to CDMX for now and will spend the money there.

Maybe Mexico and Mde has broken me but I am will to spend $300 but it seems a few of these chicks want an allowance and that is not what I want. I have another 2 weeks or so before my renewal hits, so if anyone has any tips I am willing to listen, but I think the chicks in the US think their pussy are made of gold and charge that.

I don't know how it's all going to turn out, but in about a week and a half on the site, I have set up three meets and greets (2 blondes and 1 Latina). Except for in one case, there has been no explicit discussion of money, but it's implied (I figure I will wait until after the meets and greets because it all may be moot after those LOL). In the one case where money has been discussed, she (the hottest one) asked for $1,000 PPM. I have no plans to do that. If the meet and greet happens as planned and goes well, then I will make a counteroffer that works better for me. We shall see. We shall see!