Seeking Arrangements

[Pessimist]

Oh I should have said SA works perfectly well for "no time to wine and dine". There are tons of girls on there that take $300 or $400 for An hour of standard hooker services. I just don't seek them out.

Search Friend with Benefits. Have some light convo. Take her offline to text. Ask her her Ppm. Simple.

It is perfectly acceptable to do one's own search after purchasing SA subscription, talk to anyone you fancy and do a ppm one time meet and fuck or whatever.

From Brooklyn's post, I understood that he didn't have his own subscription to SA and merely wanting the contact of one or a few girls who were already vetted, provide ppm services and he was looking for the contact of such girls. I think it would be objectionable for any subscriber to pass on contacts in such a manner.

[Steve 9696]

Because our normal channels are closed at the moment, everyone is looking for the convenience of a known deal without having to do the leg work. The SA scene has exploded recently as a way to put men and (mostly) women together within the rules of the new normal.

Oh I should have said SA works perfectly well for "no time to wine and dine". There are tons of girls on there that take $300 or $400 for An hour of standard hooker services. I just don't seek them out.

Search Friend with Benefits. Have some light convo. Take her offline to text. Ask her her Ppm. Simple.

[PilotPaul]

Anyone has any in call or outcall contact?

I am not single so don't have time or wine or dine the girl. Just need quick in-and-our service for a pre-agreed set price.

Because our normal channels are closed at the moment, everyone is looking for the convenience of a known deal without having to do the leg work. The SA scene has exploded recently as a way to put men and (mostly) women together within the rules of the new normal.

[Steve 9696]

Anyone has any in call or outcall contact?

I am not single so don't have time or wine or dine the girl. Just need quick in-and-our service for a pre-agreed set price.

You should look into P411. Not sure if they are accepting new members. It's a little scary at first. You have to give them your drivers license details and they do a quick discreet employment check. Supposedly they don't keep any info other than a few keys to unique identify you.

Did this 5 years ago maybe and no issues after initial setup. Hey he great thing about is it's a vetted marketplace. The guys are known to be safe and non LE for the girls and the girls likewise vetted and not LE. There are no reviews. Just "okays" but it's very assuring to know the provider is legit. I have had some very nice experiences.

And I would Highly recommend ChristineGFE in Phoenix who has her own website. But she will need P411 or otherwise need to verify you before she invites you to her rather nice apartment.

[Pessimist]

Anyone has any in call or outcall contact?

I am not single so don't have time or wine or dine the girl. Just need quick in-and-our service for a pre-agreed set price.

Sorry, this is a direct violation of SA letter and spirit.

1. If a current SA subscriber does accept your request and send the contact for a girl at a preset price, the girl is nothing more than a prostitute and that subscriber is a pimp. Yes, one does not have to receive monetary compensation to be called a pimp, prestige, a future favor owed, and other intangible motives can also be counted as compensation and yes the guy is still a pimp in my view.

2. SA site explicitly prohibits prostitution. I personally have never had any arrangements with girls who I knew to be prostitutes. We can debate all night long, but there is a finite amount of front end chat / discussion / meet / negotiation of terms / expectations of repeat meets etc before a girl and guy have sex. It is not "agree on price, a flat fixed price for all men, fuck and go, and no expectations of repeat meets". If SA were to be such a site, I would leave in a jiffy. There are other sites for those things and I have not subscribed to them. That is not to say I am against prostitution, I am clearly a patron of FKKs in DE for several years, but the key is legal.

3. Practically speaking, if any girl that I had personally had an arrangement with in the past or talking to now -- if I passed around her contact to friends and acquaintances and people I hardly know on the internet as if she was a prostitute for ready hiring, almost all of them would block me instantaneously, and likely report me to SA moderator and to any others they can think of. This is based on what I know of them personally.

[SavePros321]

Anyone has any in call or outcall contact?

I am not single so don't have time or wine or dine the girl. Just need quick in-and-our service for a pre-agreed set price.

You are looking for an escort. Wrong forum buddy.

[Brooklyn Cyclone]

Anyone has any in call or outcall contact?

I am not single so don't have time or wine or dine the girl. Just need quick in-and-our service for a pre-agreed set price.

[PilotPaul]

I agree and disagree. You're right that if the girl invested some time into you, then she is more likely to show up for the first date. However, there is "a reason" why many of these girls are on SA. For many of them, that reason is because they are not capable people in general. Here are some reasons why some of the gals did not show up for our dates: (1) She accidentally got drunk and passed out. (2) She lost her pet chameleon and had to spend all day looking for it. (3) She got lost. (4) An emergency suddenly popped up. **BTW, reason (4) is a lie almost 100% of the time.

You are very right. Had one girl on Monday, supposed to message for an initial coffee, when I check with her on Tuesday it turns out she had some home catastrophe and never recovered. Who knows, maybe she was a bit hangover or had a better offer.

Some girls are harder work than others. He social ones I am sure do get laid more often. The hard work ones maybe give up or maybe stay with the one SD for longer.

[Midwestern]

According to the girls, there are many scamming men as well on the site. Guys who ask them to meet at a certain place for lunch or dinner but never show up; guys who promise <whatever goodie and never deliver; guys who cheat in other ways.

Yep, I know about this. If you are (1) a normal guy, (2) looking for normal fun, and (2) deliver on what you promise (e. G. , payment or whatever else you agreed to), then you are actually pretty rare on SA. So, because there are many douchebags on SA, the gals can get jaded and hardened pretty quickly, and so these douchebags just end up ruining it for guys like us. This is one reason why I like the noobs on SA. But for the seasoned SB on SA, many of them just play a numbers game. They may agree to a bunch of dates, but only finally show up to the ones that seem the most promising. So, I will revise my previous stance on this. Earlier, I said some SBs don't show because they are losers. To be more correct, I should have said that some SBs don't show because they are either losers or because they are savvy and experienced at playing the numbers game.

I should also add that my no-show problem mostly occurs in big cities. In smaller cities, the gals almost always show up for the date.

[LshRoomer]

Hmmm. This is not been my experience. I have had two no shows out of 20 ish dates which doesn't seem high to me. Both were local. I've never had a "travel" no show. One that flaked was 19 and I was kinda nervous going that low. I find less than 22 to be flakier so no more of that. And the other was super late to the point that I just said forget it. But most girls have been really solid.

My success rate here could be affected by the fact that most girls I see I've been texting a long time with so we both have emotional investment. And I usually send an Uber, which cuts down logistical excuses significantly.

Same here Steve 9696! I haven't experienced a no-show "yet". I'm sure it is bound to happen at some point. I'm a big fan of vetting the girl beforehand. I like certain types of girls personality wise and I'm picky as hell. If a girl doesn't fit the bill, or says or does something strange during our initial chats, I usually let that slide. But a repeat occurrence will probably lead to me ghosting her.

I only use SA when I'm traveling, so I have never had the hotel quandary. I have had some girls show up late, but this doesn't bother me, as I'm usually having a drink and in a nice vibe with an edible LOL. That being said, I do like to have a backup. I usually notify the 2nd girl that we should play it by ear in case I get out of work "late". This has helped significantly in the past. I met a not cool girl in Berlin, and was able to rebound after drinks with a much cooler number 2. All bc of the setup. If you don't call, no problem. You got caught up at work. If the first girl sucks, the backup is waiting (don't wait too long though. This has backfired on me too). The backup isn't always an SA girl. Sometimes, it may be an escort that I've built a rapport with (only 3 cities can I use this scenario). They know that you are busy and work late, so they don't get upset when you can't make it bc you are banging girl #1.

+1 again with Steve 9696. The girls that "pass my test" usually are the ones that like to chat and look forward to your digital flowers over whatsapp and your random pleasantries. This probably cuts down on the "weirdness" as they know your appearance, your personality, your motivation (I always make it clear that you need to be able to hang out. If we are going straight to the bed, then I'm not interested.) and there is some emotional investment built up before you actually meet.

Do you guys see a pattern of any kind regarding the typical no shows? Ex: Young, older, american girls, college girls, don't talk much over whatsapp. Anything.

[Steve 9696]

According to the girls, there are many scamming men as well on the site. Guys who ask them to meet at a certain place for lunch or dinner but never show up; guys who promise <whatever goodie and never deliver; guys who cheat in other ways.

We always hear one sided stories on this site. Girls may have a different take. I hate ghosting as much as anyone else as it had happened to me more than I care for, but we need to take these into stride and remember that SA is just a meeting exchange and there are several thousands of questionable characters on both sides on that side.

Yep 100% true. All the girls I talk with say they are overwhelmed with guys who are douches and scammers. I think I get 1000 brownie points for just not being a douche.

Early on in her SB adventures a girl I know very naive went on a date with a guy and didn't agree a price. They had dinner, she slept over and he pointed her to the subway in the morning. No gift. Not one penny. She was so shamed and flustered and didn't know how to confront him about the gift so she just left. Sure, her fault for not being clear. But she was new to it and just a trusting soul. And the dbag took advantage.

So yeah the girls endure their fair share of shit also maybe more.

[Pessimist]

I agree and disagree. You're right that if the girl invested some time into you, then she is more likely to show up for the first date. However, there is "a reason" why many of these girls are on SA. For many of them, that reason is because they are not capable people in general. Here are some reasons why some of the gals did not show up for our dates: (1) She accidentally got drunk and passed out. (2) She lost her pet chameleon and had to spend all day looking for it. (3) She got lost. (4) An emergency suddenly popped up. **BTW, reason (4) is a lie almost 100% of the time.

If she were a capable and smart person, then she would show up for our date. After all, it's a date with someone who finds her to be attractive and interesting, and it is with someone that she also presumably finds to attractive and interesting AND is also rich. Why would a competent girl, who needs money, NOT show up? It's because she is a flake. This is just part of the cost of being on SA and hooking up with SBs.

Like I've been saying, if you have time (lots of time), then SA is really, really awesome, but if you don't have time, then pros are more efficient.

According to the girls, there are many scamming men as well on the site. Guys who ask them to meet at a certain place for lunch or dinner but never show up; guys who promise <whatever goodie and never deliver; guys who cheat in other ways.

A while ago, I had sex with a lovely SA girl in a European. City. When I gave her the 200 E that we had agreed upon, she was so happy and said in two prior arrangement meets guys had fucked her and somehow cheated her out of her money. She was so happy, she kept texting me the next 2 days while I was still in the city requesting if we could meet again.

We always hear one sided stories on this site. Girls may have a different take. I hate ghosting as much as anyone else as it had happened to me more than I care for, but we need to take these into stride and remember that SA is just a meeting exchange and there are several thousands of questionable characters on both sides on that side.

[Midwestern]

It comes down to investment. If the girl has only had to send you a few messages at a time that suits her, maybe she even just cut / pastes standard replies, then she has not 'invested' anything in you. She will happily burn you off for whomever is at the top of her queue. The risk is all on us to arrange hotel, turn up on time etc.

I agree and disagree. You're right that if the girl invested some time into you, then she is more likely to show up for the first date. However, there is "a reason" why many of these girls are on SA. For many of them, that reason is because they are not capable people in general. Here are some reasons why some of the gals did not show up for our dates: (1) She accidentally got drunk and passed out. (2) She lost her pet chameleon and had to spend all day looking for it. (3) She got lost. (4) An emergency suddenly popped up. **BTW, reason (4) is a lie almost 100% of the time.

If she were a capable and smart person, then she would show up for our date. After all, it's a date with someone who finds her to be attractive and interesting, and it is with someone that she also presumably finds to attractive and interesting AND is also rich. Why would a competent girl, who needs money, NOT show up? It's because she is a flake. This is just part of the cost of being on SA and hooking up with SBs.

Like I've been saying, if you have time (lots of time), then SA is really, really awesome, but if you don't have time, then pros are more efficient.

[PilotPaul]

MW, I had that issue until I made the women text me on the day that they were supposed to arrive and before I do anything. If you even say on a Monday, say let us meet Tuesday, I had a ridiculously high no show rate..

It comes down to investment. If the girl has only had to send you a few messages at a time that suits her, maybe she even just cut / pastes standard replies, then she has not 'invested' anything in you. She will happily burn you off for whomever is at the top of her queue. The risk is all on us to arrange hotel, turn up on time etc.

I always put it onto the girl to be the one to text me on the day. If she doesn't text then she probably wasn't worth it.

I always laugh when a SB profile says her "time is valuable". She is the one out of work and desperate for cash and yet it the is the SD who can generate free cash within a short time.

It has been a long time since I had a no show in the west.

PP.

[SfoCowboy]

I found Europe to be very nice for finding SBs. I mentioned earlier that Barcelona was the best for me till date in terms of value for money. I did not try any SB through sa in USA and I'll keep it that way.

MW, I had that issue until I made the women text me on the day that they were supposed to arrive and before I do anything. If you even say on a Monday, say let us meet Tuesday, I had a ridiculously high no show rate.

I also have a plan be so if the woman does not show up, I will have a fun activity. I also prefer meeting over coffee to meeting over a meal. I know pretty quickly if a woman is sugar baby material or not.

Meeting over a meal just drags to me especially in the USA. Abroad, I meet the women at my hotel bar or restaurant. There is no cost there at all. Practically speaking, I have limited time abroad, the women know that, and I look to seal the deal more quickly.

Steve's idea with an Uber is a good one. Also, I prefer not to mention a set amount of money abroad. I prefer that women give themselves to me for non-monetary reasons and trust that I will take care of them. That would never work in the USA. I have never seen a woman on SA not agree to a price first, but I encourage men not to do pricing abroad especially where prostitution is legal or accepted. By doing so, you are often defining the woman as a prostitute.