Seeking Arrangements

[Droog]

I've been using SA off and on since August with mixed results. Lots of scammers. Don't ever send any money to somebody before you meet them. I drop anybody who asks for money ahead of time. Lately, lots of mediocre sex. If I wanted mediocre and unfulfilling sex there are easier venues to get it, cheaper as well. I have met one redhead who is really sweet and if she wasn't such a flake I might ask her if she wants to be a bit more. I've met another lady with a body that really turns me on, but she is really bad at sex. In fact I've been really disappointed in the quality of sex I've been finding lately.

Other things, there are a lot of Filipinas and Venezuelans who have been marking me as a favorite. Mostly they want to sell photos and videos. Not really my thing, but it's aggravating when they get all pissed off about it.

I've actually had some nice exchanges with other ladies even though we haven't gotten together. There's one in Kiev I plan to contact before my next trip there.

All in all, the quality of women seems to be going down, but the number who are getting hungry because of the shutdown has gone up. It's a bit of a tossup whether I want to meet some of them or just go to the Asian Massage place a few blocks away. I will say it looks like a good way to contact women before leaving on a trip, so overall it has been worth it.

[Mongerer88]

I wasn't being critical, I just view this entire industry as a game. Different people enjoy different aspects of the game, but I have observed over time (especially on other some other boards) that some guys seem to feel a superiority by having a successful Sugar Daddy relationship, in comparison to guys who see a tremendous number of traditional sex workers for short-time sessions. I just figure that we all enjoy different aspects of the experience and that we are all the same. No one being better than anyone else, so I can't accept that perception of superiority. A number of escorts have posted their amusement about this very topic. They have friends who are Sugar Babies who occasionally forget and make snide comments about how they don't have sex with just anyone.

I used to occasionally see a touring escort in Chicago who worked with a big agency there that offered incall and outcall. Our travel paths crossed from time to time. She was half Brazilian and half-Japanese. A cool girl and a great fuck. She lived in Las Vegas and flew to Chicago once every month or two. She was popular enough in Chicago that she saw enough guys to constitute Debbie Does Chicago. In Vegas, it was a different story. She didn't want to work too much since she had family, but she managed to get to know concierge folks at the most expensive hotels and clubs. She said she had become popular among the Japanese "whales" and she got an outrageous hourly rate when the concierge guys privately set her up for extended dates with the most select clientele. Pretty sure she didn't tell the whales that she re-enacts Debbie Does Chicago every month or two. She gave them the impression of Exclusivity that they wanted and paid for.

Limited Availability and Exclusivity are very good marketing tools. And for that matter, so is anticipation and hype. And so is the feeling of winning in a Game of Chance. I think Sugaring has all of that, and I am glad people enjoy it. We all find the aspects of The Game that gives each of us the most enjoyment. But I think it is all A Game.

Thank you. Will read through it, as you say it is a long enough book to read cover to cover. I am curious why you disagree that sugar babes are different from escorts (if it is the higher caste part you disagree with, then I am fine because I do not believe in any caste aspect to this). Not sure if you have actively use sugar babes and how those experiences were and did you think there was no difference whatsoever between hiring an escort and getting to be with a sugar babe? I have used both, and I think they are day and night apart. Not that one is better or more moral, etc, just very different. As someone who has used prostitutes extensively, I am not defensive about sugar babes nor do I "feel a need to defend their honor". Just that every thing feels very different. The amount of time it takes to snag one, the large amount of front end chat / discussion / meet and greet, the wooing, etc. The fact that I can be rejected, and I have been rejected tons of times. The fact that many sugar babes, especially the good ones have so many choices and can choose what they want, and reject all of the men if none suit their requirements. The fact that there is no preset pricing -- between sugar babes, by the same sugar with different men if she chose to be with more than one man, or even between the same sugar babe-SD combo which can change week to week. The fact that so many sugar babes do remain strictly online, or strictly platonic and still obtain a good amount of business. We can go on and on..

[Steve 9696]

If I recall it was just a few weeks back when you were dabbling and asking advice. And now you have engaged! Bravo! And welcome to the club. It's warm and wet inside. 😋.

[Pessimist]

Forgot to say -- I found it interesting that there are 7,000 sugar mommies and 100,000 male sugar babes. In contrast, there are 509 K female sugar babes and 115 K male sugar daddies. Sugar mommies really do have their pick, don't they? A ratio of 14 to 1! For us male daddies, it is only 4. 4 babes to one daddy, hehe. Also, the ratio has become worse for us over time -- in 2012, per this report, there were 22 K daddies and 205 K babes, now it is 115 K daddies and 509 K babes. I guess word has gotten out and a lot of daddies have joined the site. That said, I am not sure if this woman Sarah Daly has counted only paying subscriber daddies or all daddies. Many men simply register on the site, ogle the photos and never have the messaging ability. I would not count them if it were up to me.

I have observed that in my 4+ years, the number of babes have increased in my home city. That gives me satisfaction because I feel like I have more choices. What I do not see though is how many other men are there on the site competing with me for attention from the same girls. This study makes it clear that in fact, the ratio of men / women has become worse for us men. This is assuming that the trends in USA mimic the trends in Canada which is the basis for this thesis.

[Big Boss Man]

I been playing with two women.

They are both educated and vegans. There is not an ounce of fat on either one. One is an Instagram influencer and a college student. I get off on her intellectually. The other is an actress who has IMDB credits.

The college student kept saying we can be friends. We can be friends until I found her number. I guaranteed her four sessions at $500 per session. She can pull out if she wants. So now it's FWB. In bed, she is inexperienced.

The actress told me she gets $600 per session from her last sugar daddy. But she also knows massage. So she comes over for $250 for two hours. She has been making out with me for the last part of the massage. She dresses sexy. She is around 30 so she just might let me fuck her one day just because she likes me. The making out became closer to heavy petting last time.

Both women are foreigners. The Eurogirl told me that she could bring Europe to me when I said that I was sad I couldn't travel to Europe this year.

So I am finding Southern California to be very expensive. But these women are quality. They can really hold a conversation. They would be interesting just to date. I think better than I found in the FKKs or in Spain. I don't get the impression that they are fucking a large multiple of guys. But they could be great actresses.

Anyway I am spending my vacation money on them. They took a while to find on Seeking. There are more than a few hookers on there at least in Southern California. I am a senior citizen so playing with young attractive intelligent women is fun.

[Pessimist]

It takes a while to read this, but it is really good.

A female Canadian law student did her Master's Thesis on Sugaring, and she really asked good questions to the ladies and explored their thinking, which involves a mindset that they are on a higher caste than an escort. Being someone who loves escorts, I disagree with that conclusion, but being someone who repeats a lot with specific escorts, I understand the benefits of getting to know someone over time.

https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fil...lorationof.pdf

BTW, this is a very good read. I have yet to finish the whole thing. He sections related to legality of sugar dating, how LE might view this, the views of some legal scholars and practical issues involved are all fascinating to read. Thank you for forwarding this very interesting work.

[Pessimist]

It takes a while to read this, but it is really good.

A female Canadian law student did her Master's Thesis on Sugaring, and she really asked good questions to the ladies and explored their thinking, which involves a mindset that they are on a higher caste than an escort. Being someone who loves escorts, I disagree with that conclusion, but being someone who repeats a lot with specific escorts, I understand the benefits of getting to know someone over time.

https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fil...lorationof.pdf

Thank you. Will read through it, as you say it is a long enough book to read cover to cover. I am curious why you disagree that sugar babes are different from escorts (if it is the higher caste part you disagree with, then I am fine because I do not believe in any caste aspect to this). Not sure if you have actively use sugar babes and how those experiences were and did you think there was no difference whatsoever between hiring an escort and getting to be with a sugar babe? I have used both, and I think they are day and night apart. Not that one is better or more moral, etc, just very different. As someone who has used prostitutes extensively, I am not defensive about sugar babes nor do I "feel a need to defend their honor". Just that every thing feels very different. The amount of time it takes to snag one, the large amount of front end chat / discussion / meet and greet, the wooing, etc. The fact that I can be rejected, and I have been rejected tons of times. The fact that many sugar babes, especially the good ones have so many choices and can choose what they want, and reject all of the men if none suit their requirements. The fact that there is no preset pricing -- between sugar babes, by the same sugar with different men if she chose to be with more than one man, or even between the same sugar babe-SD combo which can change week to week. The fact that so many sugar babes do remain strictly online, or strictly platonic and still obtain a good amount of business. We can go on and on.

The Canadian sugar babe brings up the emotional side of the equation into discussion. That is a different beast altogether, but again sets SB-SD arrangement apart from a traditional escort / tute relationship. I have been strictly physical relationship type, but I know that many men engage with these girls for a variety of needs, and only a fraction of them involve sexual needs.

I would define SB-SD arrangement as one where they come together in a marketplace, and decide to form a loose contract that involves quid pro quo -- the exchanged goods and services that flow in either direction could be a variety of things, and cover a wide gamut. Each individual contract can be and usually is different.

[Mongerer88]

It takes a while to read this, but it is really good.

A female Canadian law student did her Master's Thesis on Sugaring, and she really asked good questions to the ladies and explored their thinking, which involves a mindset that they are on a higher caste than an escort. Being someone who loves escorts, I disagree with that conclusion, but being someone who repeats a lot with specific escorts, I understand the benefits of getting to know someone over time.

https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fil...lorationof.pdf

[Steve 9696]

Perhaps the OP was hoping not to pay the membership and thus does not have messaging.

Oops duh. If that was the point of the question all the other posts have covered this well. In brief, No. So wrong in so many ways.

[SfoCowboy]

I agree with you. SA contacts are not for sharing. Will make us pimps in some form or the other.

Sorry, this is a direct violation of SA letter and spirit.

1. If a current SA subscriber does accept your request and send the contact for a girl at a preset price, the girl is nothing more than a prostitute and that subscriber is a pimp. Yes, one does not have to receive monetary compensation to be called a pimp, prestige, a future favor owed, and other intangible motives can also be counted as compensation and yes the guy is still a pimp in my view.

2. SA site explicitly prohibits prostitution. I personally have never had any arrangements with girls who I knew to be prostitutes. We can debate all night long, but there is a finite amount of front end chat / discussion / meet / negotiation of terms / expectations of repeat meets etc before a girl and guy have sex. It is not "agree on price, a flat fixed price for all men, fuck and go, and no expectations of repeat meets". If SA were to be such a site, I would leave in a jiffy. There are other sites for those things and I have not subscribed to them. That is not to say I am against prostitution, I am clearly a patron of FKKs in DE for several years, but the key is legal.

3. Practically speaking, if any girl that I had personally had an arrangement with in the past or talking to now -- if I passed around her contact to friends and acquaintances and people I hardly know on the internet as if she was a prostitute for ready hiring, almost all of them would block me instantaneously, and likely report me to SA moderator and to any others they can think of. This is based on what I know of them personally.

[PilotPaul]

Search Friend with Benefits. Have some light convo. Take her offline to text. Ask her her Ppm. Simple.

Perhaps the OP was hoping not to pay the membership and thus does not have messaging.

[Pessimist]

Oh I should have said SA works perfectly well for "no time to wine and dine". There are tons of girls on there that take $300 or $400 for An hour of standard hooker services. I just don't seek them out.

Search Friend with Benefits. Have some light convo. Take her offline to text. Ask her her Ppm. Simple.

It is perfectly acceptable to do one's own search after purchasing SA subscription, talk to anyone you fancy and do a ppm one time meet and fuck or whatever.

From Brooklyn's post, I understood that he didn't have his own subscription to SA and merely wanting the contact of one or a few girls who were already vetted, provide ppm services and he was looking for the contact of such girls. I think it would be objectionable for any subscriber to pass on contacts in such a manner.

[Steve 9696]

Because our normal channels are closed at the moment, everyone is looking for the convenience of a known deal without having to do the leg work. The SA scene has exploded recently as a way to put men and (mostly) women together within the rules of the new normal.

Oh I should have said SA works perfectly well for "no time to wine and dine". There are tons of girls on there that take $300 or $400 for An hour of standard hooker services. I just don't seek them out.

Search Friend with Benefits. Have some light convo. Take her offline to text. Ask her her Ppm. Simple.

[PilotPaul]

Anyone has any in call or outcall contact?

I am not single so don't have time or wine or dine the girl. Just need quick in-and-our service for a pre-agreed set price.

Because our normal channels are closed at the moment, everyone is looking for the convenience of a known deal without having to do the leg work. The SA scene has exploded recently as a way to put men and (mostly) women together within the rules of the new normal.

[Steve 9696]

Anyone has any in call or outcall contact?

I am not single so don't have time or wine or dine the girl. Just need quick in-and-our service for a pre-agreed set price.

You should look into P411. Not sure if they are accepting new members. It's a little scary at first. You have to give them your drivers license details and they do a quick discreet employment check. Supposedly they don't keep any info other than a few keys to unique identify you.

Did this 5 years ago maybe and no issues after initial setup. Hey he great thing about is it's a vetted marketplace. The guys are known to be safe and non LE for the girls and the girls likewise vetted and not LE. There are no reviews. Just "okays" but it's very assuring to know the provider is legit. I have had some very nice experiences.

And I would Highly recommend ChristineGFE in Phoenix who has her own website. But she will need P411 or otherwise need to verify you before she invites you to her rather nice apartment.