Seeking Arrangements

[Wupoer]

They could be legit though. Their old account was banned because they were talking price. I'd ask questions, I've been successful with "new accounts".

I see. But how would they get caught discussing this things? I guess SA monitors all private comminations on the website which is why we want to move to external chats right away?

[DownUnderMonger]

Good advice. Also, suspicious is their join date is the same day! Or just a few days prior. I think, even if reaching out to a girl, I would be apprehensive on such a short join date.

They could be legit though. Their old account was banned because they were talking price. I'd ask questions, I've been successful with "new accounts".

[Pessimist]

Thanks for posting this. I like reading this stuff. I just finished skimming the whole thing. However, I was a bit disappointed with the thesis, but not because it wasn't a good thesis (I thought it was very good, but good from an academic criteria), but because I didn't learn that much from it. Most of it is academic, meaning that it presents a lot of statistics (some flawed, but I won't bother going into details on this) and the discussions were largely theoretical (I know this is typical for an academic thesis, but for self-serving reasons I was hoping to learn something practical and useful). As for the analyses, it is based on a textual analysis of the forums on SA and supplemented by interviews with 2 SBs. For anyone that does research, it is well known that interviewing only 2 people is too small a sample, which is obvious, BUT, more importantly, there is also a major self-selection bias problem (I. E. , we are only getting the insights from 2 SBs that would volunteer to be interviewed, and so we are not getting insights from a representative random population of SBs, which would obviously be more meaningful and insightful). So, for me, I actually learned more about SA on this ISG thread, and from my own discussions with the SBs that I met and am still friends with.

I think the portions of her thesis related to LE interest in SA were interesting. I also liked reading a moderately academic perspective on this topic. It was never to going give us practical tips, I mean she is a woman writing her Masters thesis. Not a guy using SA to fuck girls. Her focus was always going to be not in a direction aligned with ours, right? I agree it would have been better if she had talked to more sugar babes but then again my guess is, she did not receive replies from many sugar babes when she told them what she was looking for. I also don't know why she did and't attempt to speak to any guys and how her advisors thought her thesis was complete w / o getting any input from guys who are 50% of the transaction she is trying to understand.

Honestly if you have used the sugar babes sites for a few months and had real sexual relationships with a few girls, you know what to do, what works for you, what you like and don't. Not sure even tips from any other men will be helpful or needed. It is interesting to read about the experiences of other men, but as far as being helpful, not really. That's my view, anyway.

[Wupoer]

You should look into P411. Not sure if they are accepting new members. It's a little scary at first. You have to give them your drivers license details and they do a quick discreet employment check. Supposedly they don't keep any info other than a few keys to unique identify you.

Did this 5 years ago maybe and no issues after initial setup. Hey he great thing about is it's a vetted marketplace. The guys are known to be safe and non LE for the girls and the girls likewise vetted and not LE. There are no reviews. Just "okays" but it's very assuring to know the provider is legit. I have had some very nice experiences.

And I would Highly recommend ChristineGFE in Phoenix who has her own website. But she will need P411 or otherwise need to verify you before she invites you to her rather nice apartment.

I looked in P411 yesterday. But I saw some very negative reviews about it. For starters, P411 doesn't even pretend that its *not* a prostitution site. In the US, prostitution is illegal yet the P411 takes you full details (name, address, DOB, income, employment.). If P411 gets raided and hit with a search warrant, then they have a treasure trove of personal information on Johns. P411 is registered and hosted in the USA so they are subject to searches if a court orders it. They should register outside of the USA to at least mitigate that part of it like a. Ch domain that many monger sites are starting to use.

Also, can you usea P411 verification on your SA profile so girls can easily check that?

What SA needs is an *income verification* in addition to their background check. The income verification is just like that would be done when applying for a mortgage or re-finance. Send them recent pay stubs along with all current bank & investment statements. That would give girls a better selection criteria. As any broke dude (decent or not) can claim a $2 M networth and multiple real estate properties.

[Wupoer]

I've been using SA off and on since August with mixed results. Lots of scammers. Don't ever send any money to somebody before you meet them. I drop anybody who asks for money ahead of time. Lately, lots of mediocre sex. If I wanted mediocre and unfulfilling sex there are easier venues to get it, cheaper as well. I have met one redhead who is really sweet and if she wasn't such a flake I might ask her if she wants to be a bit more. I've met another lady with a body that really turns me on, but she is really bad at sex. In fact I've been really disappointed in the quality of sex I've been finding lately.

Other things, there are a lot of Filipinas and Venezuelans who have been marking me as a favorite. Mostly they want to sell photos and videos. Not really my thing, but it's aggravating when they get all pissed off about it.

I've actually had some nice exchanges with other ladies even though we haven't gotten together. There's one in Kiev I plan to contact before my next trip there.

All in all, the quality of women seems to be going down, but the number who are getting hungry because of the shutdown has gone up. It's a bit of a tossup whether I want to meet some of them or just go to the Asian Massage place a few blocks away. I will say it looks like a good way to contact women before leaving on a trip, so overall it has been worth it.

Thanks for your account of your SA experience. The number of flakes and scams is frightening.

Also the Covid crisis is having strange effects. On the one hand, girls may be apprehensive about meeting up physically. On the other hand, many girls in this age group have lost a lot of income and the crisis isn't even over yet. These could be ghetto girls to even quality educated girls like dental assistants. My last dental visit had a hot Filipino assistant I wanted to bang the first time I saw her.

I'm with you. I can get quality Asian (Korean "k-girl") pussy where I am that is consistently good and very often bareback too. I do that weekly. So not even sure why I'm on SA other than trying to arbitrage a unique world-wide environment and trying to get some quality white girl action.

My current strategy is to filter for FWB and NSA specifically. Filter *out* Platonic, Marriage Minded, etc. Get some flirting in the SA chat, then get her offline and ask for PPM pay per meet. I'm not just up for wham-bam but that would be nice. If there's compatibility, I'm more than willing to go to dinners and outings later -- that doesn't happen with the k-girls. For me, like most men, the physical side has to be there first so I want a girl that shows willingness with PPM.

[Wupoer]

Simple rule. Ignore anyone who favorites you. Don't respond. Just delete the chat. Any girl worth being with will NOT be pursuing you. You make the first move and ignore all who come to you first.

Good advice. Also, suspicious is their join date is the same day! Or just a few days prior. I think, even if reaching out to a girl, I would be apprehensive on such a short join date.

[Steve 9696]

Then I found a number she was willing to do FWB. But even she then pushed for $600. I sense she is a little short of cash right now. We will see how the second meeting goes. Maybe the sex will get better as she becomes more comfortable. I am also using the technique of paying her on Monday morning so it doesn't feel as transactional. She could ghost me and keep the $500. I am trying to build trust and the friendship part which seems important to her.
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It will definitely get better each time. Don't forget also — suppose you know this — that women and men are completely different. Once we cum we want to be left alone. But my experience with women is if you can make her cum she will do anything you want after that. So make sure to make her happy. And the rest will follow. And don't be afraid to direct a bit. These Newbie girls are generally quite submissive. I am pretty much 100% for having to say "can you lick and suck down here" indicating my balls. And 100% success for them diving in with gusto.

Good luck in your adventures.

[Max #01]

It takes a while to read this, but it is really good.

A female Canadian law student did her Master's Thesis on Sugaring, and she really asked good questions to the ladies and explored their thinking, which involves a mindset that they are on a higher caste than an escort. Being someone who loves escorts, I disagree with that conclusion, but being someone who repeats a lot with specific escorts, I understand the benefits of getting to know someone over time.

https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fil...lorationof.pdf

I couldn't resist finding out more details about Ms Daley -- pretty impressive & a redhead to boot!: https://carleton-ca.academia.edu/SarahDaly.

[The Cane]

But I invariably get looked down on because SB is cheating and real men never pay. LOL.

Real men have a glass of milk with their dinner if that's what they want to drink. And they pay for pussy, and will openly state that they do so in the appropriate forums. Society attempts to shame us and sexually enslave us, but we have found a way to be sexually free. Only phony men try to hide and deny what they do, while putting on a 100% front for society as a "family" man. I've fucked more pretty girls in the ass than these men will get even pussy. And I'm talking about over the course of their entire lifetimes! I was talking to a guy on another site, who was telling me about a swinger party that he attended with his wife and a male friend. He said that I should go, and how his friend had fucked 8 women in the ass, and how he was envious as he had not done that many women in the butt in his entire middle-aged life. Just looked at my screen and shook my head and laughed! Ha! I guess it's true that you become what your priorities are LOL! The bottom line is that we mongers don't let the sexual mores of society keep us down and sexually enslaved. There is a way to go about mongering that is safe, moral, sanitary and correct, and we can't let the uptight, stifled pinheads and blockheads of society tell us no, or try to make us feel bad about ourselves. Even marriage is a screwed up institution if you ask me. So, they can talk all they want to about "real men don't pay". But we're getting some "real sex". And a lot of it too LOL! I know that much. Well maybe not right at the moment, but you know what I mean. Carry on men! Be it SA or whatever. Keep getting it!

[Big Boss Man]

Thanks so much for your report. You're a new SA Sugar Daddy and already getting all this hot action? Congrats. I've started 3 days and already bummed out. I'm up in and. Cal.

I would definitely give $600 PPM for this hot SB. Check out that ass!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmh62d6XD7

It took more than three days. The younger woman met me then we went back and forth for about three weeks. She just wanted to be friends. I did not want to be engaged in a bunch of tease. I recommend watching the movie "That Obscure Object of Desire" to show what tease can do to a man.

Then I found a number she was willing to do FWB. But even she then pushed for $600. I sense she is a little short of cash right now. We will see how the second meeting goes. Maybe the sex will get better as she becomes more comfortable. I am also using the technique of paying her on Monday morning so it doesn't feel as transactional. She could ghost me and keep the $500. I am trying to build trust and the friendship part which seems important to her.

The older one was not going to her page on Seeking but then she saw that I liked her after about three weeks. She seems a little more sensual.

It is almost unfortunate that two shook out at the same time because now I will be over budget for June. I might have to drop one in July. I have not perfected anything yet.

[Steve 9696]

Yes, I agree with pretty much all you said. If a girl can create a feeling of luxury and exclusivity, the price hike can be considerable. I have seen you post on German FKK threads, so you know this. Prices in Swiss clubs are nearly 2 to 3 times the prices in German clubs. A number of girls have a rotating door between Germany and SUI, and some guys patronize both sets of clubs. I can understand why you would pay 150 for the same girl in Swiss clubs if you could fuck her for 50 in DE. If it is that you just happened to be in SUI for a couple of days for business and don't care about excess price, then that is fine but we are talking about sex tourists who intentionally fly to Swiss clubs seeking out some specific girls who used t work in DE clubs. I find that irrational.

I have occasionally looked into escorting with porn stars. But I can't justify their price tags, which are 4 to 6 times what I pay to a normal sugar babe who is just as good looking. From the POV of a porn star, she went into porn precisely because she can get her name out and command a large premium. But I refuse to pay such a premium.

As for guys feeling superior about sugar babes vs escorts. That is something to be ignored. Human beings always have a need for self affirmation. Whatever it is that they do, they feel that is superior, better. I think we should cut people some slack and let them feel better about themselves if it causes no harm to anyone else.

Haha there is even a level above this. Japanese Nanpa / POA. These guys have some amazing tips and techniques on how to close the deal. And I've found these useful on occasion— like the girl in Vegas who said "I can't sleep with a guy I just met" and yet we were fucking 20 minutes later. LOL. But I digress. Point is sometimes I participate in their forum because I find it interesting. But I invariably get looked down on because SB is cheating and real men never pay. LOL. Okay if that makes you feel better. Meanwhile I will use my $$ to every advantage I can!

[Steve 9696]

I've been on the SA as a premium member for 3 days and already ran into SA scams. I've heard of SA for some years now and after reading this group, I got the nerve to sign up.

Webcam Scam:

One hot looking chick favorited me. Profile says she wants online only during the COVID-19 crisis. I asked if she does webcams shows and she said she does. Negotiated $60 for 30 minutes including her using toys. She asked my donation be in the form of an Amazon gift card and I give half first. I told her let's just do the show and a few hours later we connected through Skype. She said she was getting ready on her end. Asked for me to send the Amazon gift card to her first. I stalled her asking her to start the came first. She insisted. But I replied, "No dude is going to send cash before seeing you on the camera". I waited 10+ minutes but all communications stopped. Then she deleted her SA profile. Waste of maybe 1 HR total of my time from initial chat to end of Skype chat.

GAGA-HI Scam:

Got like two or three Asian chicks favorite me. Conversation is cute and sweet. But eventually they ask for you to sign up on an Asian dating website www.gagahi.com. I'm pretty sure this is a scam and they get referral money for it.

General Suspicious Behavior:

Hot girls that just signed up to SA the same day or days prior add me to their favorites. They can be all over the world too. I won't even entertain them now having learned my lesson.

Simple rule. Ignore anyone who favorites you. Don't respond. Just delete the chat. Any girl worth being with will NOT be pursuing you. You make the first move and ignore all who come to you first.

[Pessimist]

I wasn't being critical, I just view this entire industry as a game. Different people enjoy different aspects of the game, but I have observed over time (especially on other some other boards) that some guys seem to feel a superiority by having a successful Sugar Daddy relationship, in comparison to guys who see a tremendous number of traditional sex workers for short-time sessions. I just figure that we all enjoy different aspects of the experience and that we are all the same. No one being better than anyone else, so I can't accept that perception of superiority. A number of escorts have posted their amusement about this very topic. They have friends who are Sugar Babies who occasionally forget and make snide comments about how they don't have sex with just anyone.

I used to occasionally see a touring escort in Chicago who worked with a big agency there that offered incall and outcall. Our travel paths crossed from time to time. She was half Brazilian and half-Japanese. A cool girl and a great fuck. She lived in Las Vegas and flew to Chicago once every month or two. She was popular enough in Chicago that she saw enough guys to constitute Debbie Does Chicago. In Vegas, it was a different story..

Yes, I agree with pretty much all you said. If a girl can create a feeling of luxury and exclusivity, the price hike can be considerable. I have seen you post on German FKK threads, so you know this. Prices in Swiss clubs are nearly 2 to 3 times the prices in German clubs. A number of girls have a rotating door between Germany and SUI, and some guys patronize both sets of clubs. I can understand why you would pay 150 for the same girl in Swiss clubs if you could fuck her for 50 in DE. If it is that you just happened to be in SUI for a couple of days for business and don't care about excess price, then that is fine but we are talking about sex tourists who intentionally fly to Swiss clubs seeking out some specific girls who used t work in DE clubs. I find that irrational.

I have occasionally looked into escorting with porn stars. But I can't justify their price tags, which are 4 to 6 times what I pay to a normal sugar babe who is just as good looking. From the POV of a porn star, she went into porn precisely because she can get her name out and command a large premium. But I refuse to pay such a premium.

As for guys feeling superior about sugar babes vs escorts. That is something to be ignored. Human beings always have a need for self affirmation. Whatever it is that they do, they feel that is superior, better. I think we should cut people some slack and let them feel better about themselves if it causes no harm to anyone else.

[Midwestern]

Thanks for posting this. I like reading this stuff. I just finished skimming the whole thing. However, I was a bit disappointed with the thesis, but not because it wasn't a good thesis (I thought it was very good, but good from an academic criteria), but because I didn't learn that much from it. Most of it is academic, meaning that it presents a lot of statistics (some flawed, but I won't bother going into details on this) and the discussions were largely theoretical (I know this is typical for an academic thesis, but for self-serving reasons I was hoping to learn something practical and useful). As for the analyses, it is based on a textual analysis of the forums on SA and supplemented by interviews with 2 SBs. For anyone that does research, it is well known that interviewing only 2 people is too small a sample, which is obvious, BUT, more importantly, there is also a major self-selection bias problem (I. E. , we are only getting the insights from 2 SBs that would volunteer to be interviewed, and so we are not getting insights from a representative random population of SBs, which would obviously be more meaningful and insightful). So, for me, I actually learned more about SA on this ISG thread, and from my own discussions with the SBs that I met and am still friends with.

It takes a while to read this, but it is really good.

A female Canadian law student did her Master's Thesis on Sugaring, and she really asked good questions to the ladies and explored their thinking, which involves a mindset that they are on a higher caste than an escort. Being someone who loves escorts, I disagree with that conclusion, but being someone who repeats a lot with specific escorts, I understand the benefits of getting to know someone over time.

https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fil...lorationof.pdf

[Wupoer]

Thanks so much for your report. You're a new SA Sugar Daddy and already getting all this hot action? Congrats. I've started 3 days and already bummed out. I'm up in and. Cal.

I would definitely give $600 PPM for this hot SB. Check out that ass!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmh62d6XD7

I been playing with two women.

They are both educated and vegans. There is not an ounce of fat on either one. One is an Instagram influencer and a college student. I get off on her intellectually. The other is an actress who has IMDB credits.

The college student kept saying we can be friends. We can be friends until I found her number. I guaranteed her four sessions at $500 per session. She can pull out if she wants. So now it's FWB. In bed, she is inexperienced.

The actress told me she gets $600 per session from her last sugar daddy. But she also knows massage. So she comes over for $250 for two hours. She has been making out with me for the last part of the massage. She dresses sexy. She is around 30 so she just might let me fuck her one day just because she likes me. The making out became closer to heavy petting last time.

Both women are foreigners. The Eurogirl told me that she could bring Europe to me when I said that I was sad I couldn't travel to Europe this year.

So I am finding Southern California to be very expensive. But these women are quality. They can really hold a conversation. They would be interesting just to date. I think better than I found in the FKKs or in Spain. I don't get the impression that they are fucking a large multiple of guys. But they could be great actresses..