Seeking Arrangements

[Globo]

So I am planning a trip to Barcelona and doing my SA groundwork and pre trip (connections). So far it is quite different from what I was expecting. Lots of solid 9+ SB's and quite a few Pro's. I have been using SA for quite a while in many other countries. It has been interesting because virtually none have mentioned $ or PPM yet. Likewise I am avoiding this. The (+ are super interesting and very tempting but in my experience you get a smoking body and envious looks from others but the don't put as much effort into the action. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Just wondering if any of you have played in Barcelona and have any tips? I like to go for nice dinner and drinks so suggestions on this would be fantastic. I am planning to get an apartment as Hotels are typically a mixed bag and the better ones are far from most things. I prefer to get a suite or Junior suite and they don't seem worth it in BCN.

[Jack Miami]

Some of the SBs are on that site to provide a relationship for money, not just sex. Of course, sex should be part of the relationship. If one was merely just looking for sex, then SA is not ideal, expecially in places where pros are readily and easiily available.

Of course. Most of the women would be thrilled to provide a paid "relationship" with their old shlubby clients than have sex with them. My point was just that no one should pretend that the women on these sites are anything other than prostitutes. In a lot of ways, these women are worse than prostitutes.

[Elvis 2008]

Hi,

I just started my membership in SA and currently in Medellin. I feel most of the conversations are going no where when I say lets meet for a coffee and then decide as I am not sure if I would like her in person. So I would highly appreciate any tips on getting started as I am kind of getting tired of the PL and other places.

Thanks again.

It sounds like you are being too picky. Filter to what you like and sent out a massive number of PMs to the women your filters allow. Use the PM service on SA to get their whatsapp number. Text them and see if they respond. It is good you are meeting at Starbucks. Once you have more dates than you have time in the day, that is when you cut back and be selective. I try not to mention money but sometimes you have to. If I was not pressed for time like you seemed to be. I would do a meet and greet first and then talk sex / price later. You can use the line that you are not supposed to talk money on SA or that you do not know what she really looks like. If the woman wants money just to meet, she is a ho and proceed like she is. If she is hesitant, and you really want to meet her, you may want to throw out a few bucks just for transportation only.

You are looking at the meetups as whether you want to have sex with said women, but you shouldn't look at them just for that. Look at it as a chance to improve your game. I had my sales pitch down so well that a woman would be a fool to turn me down, and I only had to go it rarely because the women could typically see what I offered them as a person. When I did my sales pitch, I told them what being a SB of mine meant and it would be life changing to them. I was giving them the impression that I was choosing them more than they were choosing me and in most cases in Colombia, I was.

[Midwestern]

"Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat."

That's hilarious. Sex for money is the entire point of the site, although some men are stupid enough to pay money for no sex.

Some of the SBs are on that site to provide a relationship for money, not just sex. Of course, sex should be part of the relationship. If one was merely just looking for sex, then SA is not ideal, expecially in places where pros are readily and easiily available.

[Midwestern]

Sorting through all the scammers, hookers and crazy babies is a pain in the ass. A reposting of your guide would be appreciated, thanks.

Steve has posted lots of great advice on using SA in the USA. I have also posted a bunch of advice in this thread too. When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs, and most of them were great. I would say that it was worth it, BUT only because I also enjoyed the searching and the process. If the search for good SBs is a pain in the ass for you, then SA in the USA may not be ideal for you.

[BrizLad]

So I let it sit a day. Then contact her on regular texts. Yep she was pissed. Guess it was a shit test and I failed. LOL. Anyhow not willing to give up the 9. 5 bareback Queen over a few bucks so we made up and she apologized and blamed her emotions on being a cancer (lots of these twenty somethings and astrology!

Ghosting and blocking are really new tactics that gen x seem to like. Easy way to not have to deal with an issue. For sue it avoids lots of small arguments about "why you dump me" but it just leads to bigger issues.

Anyway girls will ask up to the limit and just have to ask that one extra time to know the limit. Now that she know your threshold you should expect that to the the new normal. It's not clear to me from your post whether you established if she was going to far or she got away with this incursion.

I recently had a local SB in my home town text me that she was in hospital. Next text comes that she cannot afford the hospital bill. I'm not intending to send her anything. Of course I ask how much and she digs a deeper hole for herself. I ask some more. After a while I point out that as she is in a public hospital all of the drugs and expenses are covered by the federal government. Never heard from her again and I guess she starts the scam on someone else.

[DramaFree11]

Sorry I can't help w Medellin maybe Elvis or DramaFree can. What I do know is that Seeking is not usually worth your time in a P4 P playground like Med. Facebook seems the route there. I am sure you can read more in that forum which is one of the most active on ISG.

Nope, not me. I hated MDE, not a good fit for me at all. I love Mxico and Russia. Honestly I prefer American Chicks, to Colombian Chicas.

[Steve 9696]

Haha well I guess it's not always rainbows and unicorns. Got a text yesterday from Kayla. She's hit me up before for little stuff like nails or something. And usually oblige but not always. S yesterday she hits me up wanting something specific for lunch and will I buy it for her. This is more direct than her usual hints. Wasn't totally pleased but it's chump change but I'm busy so I ignore it.

Next day I get an "guess not. Have a nice night" which was pretty bitchy for her. But I think maybe I am just reading it wrong and send her a few bucks and tell her I was busy. But then I find my messages aren't going thru and her picture disappears from WhatsApp. I think this might happen if you are blocked but I am amazed she'the block me over this.

So I let it sit a day. Then contact her on regular texts. Yep she was pissed. Guess it was a shit test and I failed. LOL. Anyhow not willing to give up the 9. 5 bareback Queen over a few bucks so we made up and she apologized and blamed her emotions on being a cancer (lots of these twenty somethings and astrology!

Obviously this is a red flag and I got to keep an eye on it. But I know how hard it is to find a quality girl. So going to bend some. Hope we just put this in the rear view cuz were meeting up again in a few weeks. Keeping fingers crossed. I know I can just next and dig in on SA bit started that today and its tough to find a unicorn like this. So gonna keep it rolling.

[MiamiBoy1]

Hi,

I just started my membership in SA and currently in Medellin. I feel most of the conversations are going no where when I say lets meet for a coffee and then decide as I am not sure if I would like her in person. So I would highly appreciate any tips on getting started as I am kind of getting tired of the PL and other places.

Thanks again.

I could share a few SA contacts with you to get you started, but you need to upgrade your membership in order to receive or send PMs here.

SA in MDE is very though, you can read my recent posts in which I complain a lot LOL.

[Jack Miami]

"Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat."

That's hilarious. Sex for money is the entire point of the site, although some men are stupid enough to pay money for no sex.

[TheManager]

I am literally on SA at least an hour a day prospecting.

Adding to my previous post about prices for SBs vs escorts the above is also something you have to factor. Now I don't spend nearly as much time on SA as you (no judgement just a reflection) but if I did it would convert to thousands of USD in a week if I had been working / billing those hours to clients instead. So I still hold that the cost for SBs adds up.

[TheManager]

I do have to disagree with The Manager when he asserts that an SB is 2-3 X more expensive than an escort. Maybe he had this backwards. Because there is no escort in the US in the 7+!looks category that is going to have dinner, fuck you and sleep over for $4-500 and that is par for the course on SA.

As you noted that's an American phenomena. It's rather odd actually as I've found it to be the opposite just about everywhere else in the world.

[Steve 9696]

I've tried to be faithful about posting my stories as they occur. But some were posted back when Midwestern started this gem of a forum snd some not all. Happy to post / repost any that look interesting.

Thifany. From the nightclubs of Brazil to dancing in London. My first SB.

Valentina. The girl from Buenos Ares that broke my heart. But not before being totally awesome snd taking me to my first ever sex club.

Vegas. Three girls over five days, including the epic seduction of the "I can't have sex with a guy I just met" girl.

Miami. Early in the journey Colombian hottie.

NYC. Early on. Total SA virgin. Amazing to introduce her to the world.

London Duo. Two for one Colombianas bonus date! (Rising from the ashes after Valentina crushed my heart).

Alexa Miami. Flew Vegas girl (above) to Miami for an epic weekend.

Let me know if any of these strike your fancy and I will post / repost. Thanks!

[Steve 9696]

Sorting through all the scammers, hookers and crazy babies is a pain in the ass. A reposting of your guide would be appreciated, thanks.

I am posting the guide below. I wrote this a little earlier in my journey so I will note a couple updates here. First, prices have gone up. I find $500 pretty standard for a pretty girl in a big city snd even second tier cities seem more like $400. That said the number of sleepovers Ive had seems to also have increased so its really still a very good deal vs the alternative. Second I have found a couple of my great SBs like Mika and Kayla tend towards the semi-pro side in that they were comfortable discussing PPM even used that term. Ive also had an amazing string of black girls of late. I am more partial to Latinas but the black girls seem more ready to get down of late. Maybe its just a streak with me but its more target rich if thats in ur wheelhouse.

And one comment yes it is a horrific pain in the ass to sort thru all this. I am literally on SA at least an hour a day prospecting. It takes that kind of effort. But the payoff is where it's at. When you get an eight or nine giving you a BBBJ, swallowing, fucking you to death and sleeping over then you know it's soooo worth it.

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I came to realize through the Thifany experience (also possibly worth a repost - posted this epic about a year ago) that I like more than just paid sex. And in fact I love having a girlfriend. I enjoy texting each other. I enjoy that someone cares about me (even if she's pretending -- just never tell me so!) and of course I love the complete experience of dinners and dancing and just acting like real lovers. Not transactional sex partners. And SB / SD is all about this same experience. When done properly.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and benefit second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.

So start with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative -- the conversation will just die. You have to drive it -- and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself -- what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person -- It doesn't really matter-- just something that will get her to engage a bit.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably enough and one or the other will suggest to take the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she goes there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text.

Once over to text, you can discuss allowance / gifts (never "her price" or "how much you charge") though some guys leave that for in person dates. Because I am a fly-in guy and want to close the deal -- I. E. Go to the room and have sex -- the very first night, I prefer to get this elephant out of the room before the date if possible. But again, you can't go straight here. Start first with how you see the date going.

I usually say something about going out and having an epic time and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX! And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often they will be down with this description -- I mean we are all on SA for a reason. This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. As of this writing, with A LOT of searching and false starts I'the say most big cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more) with SF and NYC more like $500. $300 is more like it for second tier cities, and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category).

Once you have the "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

[Steve 9696]

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