Seeking Arrangements

[StudBucket]

Since I wrote my guide early in my journey, I've updated a bit. Plus new readers here. So here's the way I play it.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat. Plus, it can get you booted from SA for life if you are reported. Don't worry, there are ways to have this conversation properly, explained below.

Start your engagement with a girl with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative and the conversation will just die. You have to drive it; and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself: what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person. It doesn't really matter what you discuss; just something that will get her to engage a bit.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably well and one or the other will suggest taking the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she goes there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text. But don't do it too early this spooks the nice girls. Have a conversation over a few days and then take it off SA to texting.

Once you are texting, pick up the thread you had going and continue a little friendly chat. At some point, you will suggest that you think you vibe well and should meet up. Most often she will agree and now its time to establish that you will have sex (without saying it!) and how much is the agreed price (without saying it's a price! Some guys cover the price discussion in person, but I find that awkward and always set it ahead of time.

Once she's said "yeah, lets meetup" I say I want to describe our date to her (this is how I introduce the sex topic without getting explicit.) I usually say something about going out for dinner or drinks and having an epic time, laughing a lot and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX!) or on the off chance we don't vibe, we can part after dinner no harm no foul. And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often, if they are the kind of girl you are after, they will be down with this description and say, sure that sounds good.

This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. Never ever say "what's your price" or "how much do you charge for PPM". Always use the approach above, that you want to give them something. Sometimes, she will say she doesn't know and get you to give the first figure (good negotiating tactic on her part, but often they are in fact new). I am OK with this and say "well, what I've done before is 300. I hope that works for you. " (note no $ sign).

As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'the say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more I just kick them to the curb) with SF and NYC more like $500. In second tier cities, $300 should do it and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category). During the pandemic, I've found a lot of these girls are struggling, so if they ask 500, when 400 is more correct, I usually don't push them on it and just go with what they asked.

Once you have the "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

Having done this alot (more than 30 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead even if that lead is to the hotel room.

Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!

Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.

This is a great report and has many valuable tips. I have been on SA for a couple of years now and have found a few gems. I use a similar approach and never say sex, ppm, words of wisdom. Use words like gift, allowance for time, compensation, etc.

[FilthyBeaver]

One thing I'd add. Meet them ASAP once the topic comes up. If you talk to them last night about meeting and confirm a meeting time / place at 10 am the dext day for 8 pm that night you have just given them 10 hours to find someone better looking, willing to pay more, bigger dick, whatever. If the topic of meeting comes up last night then meet her that night. I've been burnt by this a couple times and learned my lesson. I can't believe the quality of girls I'm getting to come over, just beautiful. My house and car are both panty droppers but I never discuss them, I let them see them for themselves and that closes the deal without having to say a thing. I've had girls tell me they don't sleep over but as soon as they walk in will say "I could totally crash here." Freaking brilliant! You do need some money though. You can't fake it with top teir girls.

Price ranges below are accurate as well. Any more than $600 and I'm out.

Since I wrote my guide early in my journey, I've updated a bit. Plus new readers here. So here's the way I play it.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat..

[Steve 9696]

Since I wrote my guide early in my journey, I've updated a bit. Plus new readers here. So here's the way I play it.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat. Plus, it can get you booted from SA for life if you are reported. Don't worry, there are ways to have this conversation properly, explained below.

Start your engagement with a girl with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative and the conversation will just die. You have to drive it; and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself: what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person. It doesn't really matter what you discuss; just something that will get her to engage a bit.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably well and one or the other will suggest taking the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she goes there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text. But don't do it too early – this spooks the nice girls. Have a conversation over a few days and then take it off SA to texting.

Once you are texting, pick up the thread you had going and continue a little friendly chat. At some point, you will suggest that you think you vibe well and should meet up. Most often she will agree and now its time to establish that you will have sex (without saying it!) and how much is the agreed price (without saying it's a price! Some guys cover the price discussion in person, but I find that awkward and always set it ahead of time.

Once she's said "yeah, lets meetup" I say I want to describe our date to her (this is how I introduce the sex topic without getting explicit.) I usually say something about going out for dinner or drinks and having an epic time, laughing a lot and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX!) or on the off chance we don't vibe, we can part after dinner no harm no foul. And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often, if they are the kind of girl you are after, they will be down with this description and say, sure that sounds good.

This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. Never ever say "what's your price" or "how much do you charge for PPM". Always use the approach above, that you want to give them something. Sometimes, she will say she doesn't know and get you to give the first figure (good negotiating tactic on her part, but often they are in fact new). I am OK with this and say "well, what I've done before is 300. I hope that works for you. " (note no $ sign).

As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'the say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more – I just kick them to the curb) with SF and NYC more like $500. In second tier cities, $300 should do it and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category). During the pandemic, I've found a lot of these girls are struggling, so if they ask 500, when 400 is more correct, I usually don't push them on it and just go with what they asked.

Once you have the "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

Having done this alot (more than 30 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date – it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead – even if that lead is to the hotel room.

Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!

Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.

[Akibono]

So Kayla and I had a great few days together. Our fifth time and getting a bit more coupled up each time. We rented an Airbnb loft so it was more like playing house. There were some minuses. Like we stayed in a lot. She said she doesn't really like to go out. That she only does it because I like to. Boo. That's unfortunate to learn. But some nice pluses too like when she cooked dinner the second night and when she got more lit our third night and gave the best doe eyes BJ and was just really romantic and passionate. It's getting a little too comfortable but damn she still checks pretty much all the boxes.

But my favorite line was this:.

Reminds me of that line from an Eagles song: Every form of refuge has its price.

Sure, that sounds good now, but after a few years, they all let themselves go and the sex becomes less and less. That is the typical route of marriage. There are always exceptions to the rule, but they are rare. There are just some girls that are real nice that like to take care of their man.

[NeilGeorge]

Just got an email notification I was permanently suspended for soliciting sex in exchange of money. I asked a few girls if they'd like to spend time and during some conversations we talked about becoming more "intimate" in exchange of a gift or compensation. Would that have done it? Or was it a girl I told I would not pay her 400 just for dinner over text and she reported me? I'm bummed, I was finally starting to get some girls to agree to meet. Has anyone been successful at overturning a ban?

Just open a new email account and signup with that account, new password and login. Register with the new email account.

[EverythingBlue]

Doh! Hasn't everyone and his brother said don't talk that explicitly? I know you didn't say for money but "intimate for compensation" surely comes to close to the fire. You have to take things over to text to discuss more carefully. Though I have never been quite that explicit. It's also a turnoff for most girls.

As far as why you were banned I don't think they can generally monitor conversations but I bet they can read all your stuff if someone reports you. So that likely triggered it.

Only way to get back on would be to VPN from a different device. With different email. Credit card not in your name (like a visa gift card I guess). Basically become a new person.

Oh well. I hope the girls I'm texting with come through in an upcoming trip then. Thanks for the reply.

[Steve 9696]

Just got an email notification I was permanently suspended for soliciting sex in exchange of money. I asked a few girls if they'd like to spend time and during some conversations we talked about becoming more "intimate" in exchange of a gift or compensation. Would that have done it? Or was it a girl I told I would not pay her 400 just for dinner over text and she reported me? I'm bummed, I was finally starting to get some girls to agree to meet. Has anyone been successful at overturning a ban?

Doh! Hasn't everyone and his brother said don't talk that explicitly? I know you didn't say for money but "intimate for compensation" surely comes to close to the fire. You have to take things over to text to discuss more carefully. Though I have never been quite that explicit. It's also a turnoff for most girls.

As far as why you were banned I don't think they can generally monitor conversations but I bet they can read all your stuff if someone reports you. So that likely triggered it.

Only way to get back on would be to VPN from a different device. With different email. Credit card not in your name (like a visa gift card I guess). Basically become a new person.

[EverythingBlue]

Just got an email notification I was permanently suspended for soliciting sex in exchange of money. I asked a few girls if they'd like to spend time and during some conversations we talked about becoming more "intimate" in exchange of a gift or compensation. Would that have done it? Or was it a girl I told I would not pay her 400 just for dinner over text and she reported me? I'm bummed, I was finally starting to get some girls to agree to meet. Has anyone been successful at overturning a ban?

[Steve 9696]

So Kayla and I had a great few days together. Our fifth time and getting a bit more coupled up each time. We rented an Airbnb loft so it was more like playing house. There were some minuses. Like we stayed in a lot. She said she doesn't really like to go out. That she only does it because I like to. Boo. That's unfortunate to learn. But some nice pluses too like when she cooked dinner the second night and when she got more lit our third night and gave the best doe eyes BJ and was just really romantic and passionate. It's getting a little too comfortable but damn she still checks pretty much all the boxes.

But my favorite line was this:

"I'd be a great wife. I just want to suck dick and cook. ".

Yep babe. That pretty much describes a great wife! LOL.

Ps and she’s fully serious. She’d love to find some successful guy and just wife up.

[DramaFree11]

I am glad you are having a great time. Thing is that the average income in Mexico City is the same as a lot of the USA. What that means is not only are there a lot of hot and worldly women, they are often in high demand because there are so many men with money.

Of the four tens I met in CDMX, I followed them on Instagram. Three of the four moved sideways after meeting me (and that is not typical with the SBs I have had), and one hit the absolute jackpot.

My point is that you have to lock them down much more quickly in CDMX than other Mexican cities or in Colombia. I do not think there is a woman I met in MTY or Colombia I could not call up and see again, but I think I would be given the cold shoulder if I approached any of these four. They are taken.

Yep, 100% true. The girls I am meeting are way more sophisticated in M. City, then MTY.

I do disagree it is way more expensive here then MTY, but also much better and there is Hot Attainable girls everywhere. Girls do want to hang out here, so you get more bang for your buck. If I you want to live like J. Carter that is a different story. You can get by cheap here, but I real doubt the higher end girls will go for that.

At the airport now, heading back to Texas tonight. I will be in MTY to celebrate Christmas Thursday evening with the model, then back to Mexico City.

Life is great!!

[Elvis 2008]

The next morning I had another threesome setup, now these two are super cute and fun. Total craziness for 90 minutes. This was all done in 18 hours. I have 2 more meetings Saturday. I am totally loving M. City.

I am glad you are having a great time. Thing is that the average income in Mexico City is the same as a lot of the USA. What that means is not only are there a lot of hot and worldly women, they are often in high demand because there are so many men with money.

Of the four tens I met in CDMX, I followed them on Instagram. Three of the four moved sideways after meeting me (and that is not typical with the SBs I have had), and one hit the absolute jackpot.

My point is that you have to lock them down much more quickly in CDMX than other Mexican cities or in Colombia. I do not think there is a woman I met in MTY or Colombia I could not call up and see again, but I think I would be given the cold shoulder if I approached any of these four. They are taken.

[Elvis 2008]

My main criteria these days is if she is willing to do bareback. I will choose to fuck a 5 bareback over an 8 covered. I might even happily fuck a 3 if it is bareback.

There is a guy in the Sao Paulo thread, think his name is Anaggie, who says that having a recent AIDS test helps him get bareback. I have had two women who saw my test and they were cool with bareback after I showed it to them.

[Midwestern]

I am not sure about putting them in top 3. To me, it is like how does she kiss, suck, fuck, behave, and act GF like? My first real SB was stunning, gave the best head I have ever had, and I enjoyed being around her. However, the sex was good not great and in my mind, the fact that she had a BF and we became more like friends got in the way of things which I have not had happen before. I could not get too turned on because I felt like I was doing a friend.

My main criteria these days is if she is willing to do bareback. I will choose to fuck a 5 bareback over an 8 covered. I might even happily fuck a 3 if it is bareback.

[Midwestern]

My second weekend trim to M. City is off to amazing start.
The girls were ready to go back to my place, we finally get an Uber, total pain in the ass, it was only a 2 minute walk, but I did not to make the girls walk. We get back to my palace and the rest is History. Expensive night, but what the hell.

The next morning I had another threesome setup, now these two are super cute and fun. Total craziness for 90 minutes. This was all done in 18 hours. I have 2 more meetings Saturday. I am totally loving M. City.

I have hit a dry spell. Only got laid once in the past month, and that was with a WG. For some reason, a couple of my regulars are no longer into meetups. Maybe I am doing something wrong.

Meanwhile, I love strange, but man, it is really hard to find new gals. A couple of days ago, I was getting a veggie massage and I thought my masseause was cute and so I asked for her WeChat and she said no. Dang!

[Midwestern]

So planning a date with Sarah she asks if we can take it slow as in another platonic date. I don't generally have a problem with this but I was having to do some schedule magic to work her in and it's just not worth that for a platonic date.

Even when I am dating regularly, I have a 3 date rule. If sex does not happen by the third date, then I think there's a 99 percent chance that it will never happen, and so I just cut bait. So, I totally agree with your stance on Sarah.