Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).

Midwestern you know your shit. Amazing post. You need to organize a trip to the top 3 destinations, we could get a group of guys together and have a blast. Moscow is number one for me, maybe Sau Paulo and one other destination. I can not travel over the summer, because to busy at work, but after Thanksgiving, until Feb, I have a lot of free time.

[Steve 9696]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).

Just want to say YMMV. Las Vegas 3 for 3. NYC 3 for 4. Miami 1 for 1. All 8's and up. All but one we hooked up on SA weeks in advance. So maybe I just had a lucky 2019. But the big cities been berry berry good to me.

[Elvis 2008]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

MW,

I think it has to deal with how many rich SDs there are, living expenses, and the morals of a given region. Most women only turn to being a SB out of recommendations from their friends or desperation IMO.

In my area, the women from SA want so much I do not even bother.

[Midwestern]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).

[DramaFree11]

Instead of flying the SB to you for the first date, why not fly to her? But I would only do this if she lives in a place that I would want to visit and explore. My friend lived in a place where SB supply was limited, and so he checked out cities that he always wanted to visit. The first trip, he hit if off with the SB and he had a blast. The second time, the SB flaked on him. So, he scrambled to find other dates on SA, but wasn't that successful. But at least he got to explore the city and so it wasn't a complete waste of money. He said that he would do this again, but next time he'd set up a bunch of dates first, instead of just zeroing in on one.

Agree fly to her and set up some additional meeting with other girls, but I think you are better off focusing on one city, even if it takes a little more work. In the long run the Hard Work will pay off.

[Steve 9696]

That's definitely something I plan to do more of, post-covid era, particularly some non-domestic destinations, where the pickings seem much riper, as I have found and others have reported in this thread. I travel a lot for work, mostly within the states, and have had some success on SA in second-tier cities, but struck out badly in the big cities like LA, San Fran, Denver, and Chicago. In particular, my flake percentage was a perfect 100% in LA despite many many attempts. But I'm an analyst and I think I see my errors and know how to tweak the formula to improve results. I've had the same pattern of results between developed and less developed countries on SA, the latter being much more fruitful, which just seems to make basic sense.

There was a posting a couple years back showing the cities with the highest (and lowest) ratios of SB's to SD's. Not at my fingertips at the moment. I'd love to hear everyone else's favorite sugar destinations, foreign or domestic. I'm also interested in local culture, food, architecture, art, and other travel interests, so a city with both features is ideal for me.

Yeah definitely SA can be great if you are flying in. PreCovid that was my only thing and it works great. However make sure you are taking advantage of last minute hookups. Some of these babes don't plan more than a day in advance.

My second experience ever was LA and I lined up weeks in advance this one girl I was smitten with. She was a first timer and we had an AMAZING date including a bunch of making out. But she freaked over me being married. So we didn't seal the deal and day 2 I was left high and dry. I started seeking like mad. Had one girl flake on the way to dinner. Undeterred I hit it hard and got a date for later that night. Straight to room. Same thing next night different girl. Straight to room.

In London when I needed something quickly I used the Nanpa approach "I'm going dancing in Soho tonight. Join me. " And the response rate was off the charts. Ended up snagging one of my faves that way.

So yeah I can do a bunch of planning and have a flake (hasn't happened often to me) but there are girls ready to meet up that night. Especially if you take a strong frame like the "I'm doing this. Join me. " Approach.

It’s funny but still in this day and age girls want to be led with a strong frame. They are waiting for u to ask — better yet TELL them what’s going to happen. Even the pros are this way. I don’t understand why there aren’t girls on SA like “I’m going on a date tonight. Who’s going with me?” Even the pros are waiting for u to ask. LOL.

[DramaFree11]

That's definitely something I plan to do more of, post-covid era, particularly some non-domestic destinations, where the pickings seem much riper, as I have found and others have reported in this thread. I travel a lot for work, mostly within the states, and have had some success on SA in second-tier cities, but struck out badly in the big cities like LA, San Fran, Denver, and Chicago. In particular, my flake percentage was a perfect 100% in LA despite many many attempts. But I'm an analyst and I think I see my errors and know how to tweak the formula to improve results. I've had the same pattern of results between developed and less developed countries on SA, the latter being much more fruitful, which just seems to make basic sense.

There was a posting a couple years back showing the cities with the highest (and lowest) ratios of SB's to SD's. Not at my fingertips at the moment. I'd love to hear everyone else's favorite sugar destinations, foreign or domestic. I'm also interested in local culture, food, architecture, art, and other travel interests, so a city with both features is ideal for me.

I kind had the same experience. Houston was crazy with fake profiles, and girls being addicted to Drugs or Alsohol. I finally met up with a real hot one, but very expensive. I though Austin would be much easier, but was much harder and way more expensive. Before the Covid, I was having great luck in San Antonio, who would have thought. Honestly I putting all my efforts into MTY now, maybe I will start back in S. Ant, but too busy at work,(too much driving also, not productive) I will just stick with MTY. Time will tell. Good luck.

[CarloRogue]

Instead of flying the SB to you for the first date, why not fly to her? But I would only do this if she lives in a place that I would want to visit and explore. My friend lived in a place where SB supply was limited, and so he checked out cities that he always wanted to visit. The first trip, he hit if off with the SB and he had a blast. The second time, the SB flaked on him. So, he scrambled to find other dates on SA, but wasn't that successful. But at least he got to explore the city and so it wasn't a complete waste of money. He said that he would do this again, but next time he'd set up a bunch of dates first, instead of just zeroing in on one.

That's definitely something I plan to do more of, post-covid era, particularly some non-domestic destinations, where the pickings seem much riper, as I have found and others have reported in this thread. I travel a lot for work, mostly within the states, and have had some success on SA in second-tier cities, but struck out badly in the big cities like LA, San Fran, Denver, and Chicago. In particular, my flake percentage was a perfect 100% in LA despite many many attempts. But I'm an analyst and I think I see my errors and know how to tweak the formula to improve results. I've had the same pattern of results between developed and less developed countries on SA, the latter being much more fruitful, which just seems to make basic sense.

There was a posting a couple years back showing the cities with the highest (and lowest) ratios of SB's to SD's. Not at my fingertips at the moment. I'd love to hear everyone else's favorite sugar destinations, foreign or domestic. I'm also interested in local culture, food, architecture, art, and other travel interests, so a city with both features is ideal for me.

[Midwestern]

This is so funny. I've tried this only twice, and also batted. 500. The first time was great. On my second attempt (a stunning Thai soft-core porn model), I caused such apparent calamity that I felt like a monster for making the invitation (hospitalization inducing migraines, a job firing, and other personal distress just short of death). Despite that, I'm currently coordinating another out-of-state visit. I'm being a little bit more cautious this time, having spoken on the phone and facetimed with the girl to vet her a bit more. All risk can't be fully eliminated, but that's what makes life interesting I think. The other advantage here is that you can pull from locations that have a more favorable SB / SD ratio and have a better chance of pulling a 9 or 10.

Instead of flying the SB to you for the first date, why not fly to her? But I would only do this if she lives in a place that I would want to visit and explore. My friend lived in a place where SB supply was limited, and so he checked out cities that he always wanted to visit. The first trip, he hit if off with the SB and he had a blast. The second time, the SB flaked on him. So, he scrambled to find other dates on SA, but wasn't that successful. But at least he got to explore the city and so it wasn't a complete waste of money. He said that he would do this again, but next time he'd set up a bunch of dates first, instead of just zeroing in on one.

[Nounce]

In China, having a mistress is pretty common if you are at least upper middle class. I have been teased, by my Chinese friends, more than once for not having a mistress. They say it means that I'm poor. A few weeks ago, a good female friend of mine also teased me about the same thing! Several women have also told me that they were a mistress, or used to be a mistress. A woman in my complex lived alone with a child. Someone asked her about the husband, and she said she was someone's mistress and they have a love child, and the father is paying for their apartment and living expenses. This is how common it is to have a mistress in China. So, I guess men view the risk to be low. For me, I'm a foreigner and I cannot speak Chinese. So, it makes having a semi-open affair to be both difficult and risky.

It was a crime in most East Asian countries long ago but several countries have decriminalized it. I don't know China's law so I don't know the legality of it. But in other Chinese countries, many tycoons have multiple wives. It became public when the man died and the children were fighting for inheritance.

[WyattEarp]

In China, having a mistress is pretty common if you are at least upper middle class. I have been teased, by my Chinese friends, more than once for not having a mistress. They say it means that I'm poor. A few weeks ago, a good female friend of mine also teased me about the same thing! Several women have also told me that they were a mistress, or used to be a mistress. A woman in my complex lived alone with a child. Someone asked her about the husband, and she said she was someone's mistress and they have a love child, and the father is paying for their apartment and living expenses. This is how common it is to have a mistress in China. So, I guess men view the risk to be low. For me, I'm a foreigner and I cannot speak Chinese. So, it makes having a semi-open affair to be both difficult and risky.

Wasn't it Mao who enacted a one mistress policy?

[Midwestern]

A mistress is not an uncommon thing. How are the men weighing the risk / reward ratio?

In China, having a mistress is pretty common if you are at least upper middle class. I have been teased, by my Chinese friends, more than once for not having a mistress. They say it means that I'm poor. A few weeks ago, a good female friend of mine also teased me about the same thing! Several women have also told me that they were a mistress, or used to be a mistress. A woman in my complex lived alone with a child. Someone asked her about the husband, and she said she was someone's mistress and they have a love child, and the father is paying for their apartment and living expenses. This is how common it is to have a mistress in China. So, I guess men view the risk to be low. For me, I'm a foreigner and I cannot speak Chinese. So, it makes having a semi-open affair to be both difficult and risky.

[DramaFree11]

What is funny about that is I have no clue how accessible that trail would be to a divorce lawyer because it is China.

Seeing as how your main issue is not leaving a trail. I would set up an account on somewhere like hotels.com and keep it so it cannot be linked to you easily. I would use an encrypted mail service like proton or pay for one. I would use a Visa Vanilla Gift Card to pay for the room. I guess you could do this for Airbnb as well.

Honestly, though, MW, what I learned with my divorce was my cheating was not the big deal I thought it was. I hated that my ex spilled my dirt to the world, but these lawyers have it down. Typically in my state, it is common for an estate to be split 50-50. If the guy has committed fraud against the community, which in my case was spending my own money, then it is not an even split but it goes 55% for the women and 45% for the guy. Now that is before legal expenses. A divorce lawyer told me the goal of lawyers is 6% of the estate so that puts the woman's share down to 52%.

Now my ex said when getting 52% over 50% and dragging me through the mud to get there sounded good to her, and I told her that I had no problem spending all of our assets on lawyers if she pulled that shit and I said 50% of nothing and 52% of nothing are the same damned thing, *****.

So true, many of my rich clients in Houston, lived 2 separate lives. They were only married on paper. Whatever works, but you are correct about the step down, many are willing to put up with a lot to keep the rich lifestyle.

I have a great business now and small apartment. I am way more happy now then when I had a big House and a bunch or crap. I am banging Hot Chicks in Mexico and Russia, I could not ask for much more. Plus I am out of Houston, makes life even better.

[Midwestern]

Extra marital affair is illegal in China, P4 P is also illegal. I think those are MW's main concerns, not the divorce. Communist party is integrated into China's society. It is required in large companies so they know each move of these companies. We pay HOA due to HOA in US. My friend told me they pay to a Communist party neighborhood association. MW may get into trouble if someone reports him to the party/police. China may shame you in public if you are caught. China has clamped down hard on P4 P in recent years. That is another reason that makes him worry.

BINGO!! This is so accurate, and this is exactly all the stuff that I am worried about.

To everyone that weighed in on this, I really appreciate it.

Here's an update. Today, my SB found a place. Lo and behold, she did rent the place on a Chinese version of AirBnB. She never met a real estate agent. She just went to a website, found a few places and went to check them out. The different apartment owners gave her the building code and the room code, so that she could check out the rooms by herself. If she takes a pass, then the owner just changes the room code remotely. She found a place, and she went ahead and rented it for two months, and she paid by transferring the rent via mobile pay. I showed up 40 minutes later. Big compound, so I don't think anyone gave me a second look. Security guard was sitting on the curb, smoking a cigarette. I waltz by him, and used the building code to let myself into the building. Each building is at least 30 floors, so hopefully I can remain anonymous in this place. (One other bad thing about my original apartment is that I could not buzz people in, and the building had no entrance keypad, so I always had to go down and walk the girls into the building with me.) With this new place, my SB and I agreed to enter the compound, building, and room, separately.

Anyway, fingers crossed that this will work out. Maybe I am being greedy, but I am hoping that I can use this place to meet other girls. After all, I can share the building code with anyone. Once they reach my floor, I will just open the room door for them.

[Akibono]

Elvis, all payments or transfers can be done electronically by app in China. You can use it to pay for street vendors, prostitutes, tips and everything else. It's universally accepted while credit card is not. I guess you heard about Ant Financial, that is what they do. This is what FB trying to duplicate in US for many years now.

Extra marital affair is illegal in China, P4 P is also illegal. I think those are MW's main concerns, not the divorce. Communist party is integrated into China's society. It is required in large companies so they know each move of these companies. We pay HOA due to HOA in US. My friend told me they pay to a Communist party neighborhood association. MW may get into trouble if someone reports him to the party/police. China may shame you in public if you are caught. China has clamped down hard on P4 P in recent years. That is another reason that makes him worry.

A mistress is not an uncommon thing. How are the men weighing the risk / reward ratio?