Seeking Arrangements

[TheMan31]

It may be youre just trolling us because you seem to know absolutely nothing about Seeking. But I'll take the bait. I won't speak for everyone but I count 17 Seeking girls I've fucked more than one night in the past two years. So slightly under 50%. And a few have been 5+ times. A couple 10+ times.

But even the ones I saw once I'm not going to pass around. Only 1 was a straight up hooker, and one or two disappointing but all the rest were super nice real world girls just enjoying being young and free and picking up some side cash. It's def more like a girlfriend relationship than an escort done right. And I'm not sharing my girlfriend with anyone.

I will even go so far as to say I have a lot of respect for many of these girls. At 23 they have already figured out that monogamy is a sham, sex is nothing sacred and to be revered, and it make no sense to fuck an immature shallow dude her own age for free when she can have dinner at the finest restaurant and enjoy more connected and caring sex at the end of the night and pay her rent at the the same time! Smart girls. At least many of the ones I date.

Smart girls? Or Just undercover working girls?

[FilthyBeaver]

I respect your experience but I don't think it's mine.

I thought I was done with the site because of all the work and wasted time but I went through a stable I populated late last year and I'm back because I'm hooked on early 20's white girls. Undeniably this has worked for me:

Lots of detail with humor sprinkled in (the first and second sections).

Real pics with nothing hidden.

Approaching them with a simple icebreaker; I'm Beav, I get lots of feedback from my profile if you think we might be a match I'd love to chat.

I will admit there are a fair amount who hide your profile before you even talk to them but you can tell this by seeing if your message is read. If it's been sitting there unread for a week and you know she's been on in that time then you're probably hidden.

The ones who reply with "I think we're a match" or something positive have been absolutely A+ and worth all the ass pain on the site. Again, my profile is long but they almost always comment on the humor and they read the whole thing. I stay away from ambiguous text as much as possible "fun, NSA, fwb" that's all garbage. Work the word intimacy in in the first couple texting sessions or in person meet. Everybody knows what that means. In fact my last two girls have been the ones to bring up intimacy before I even had to and it was at our first in person meeting. I didn't have sex with them the first time I met them but I did the second and every time after.

When I need to slow down the traffic I don't show any pics or show one with a mask and that's like flipping a switch, the messages stop fairly fast. I don't consider myself overly attractive but I'm fit and don't have a dad body and I'm generally still younger than their parents which I think is a mental hang up for some. My results on that site have been stellar but came at a fairly high cost, tangible and intangible.

So I asked the women why they chose to respond. I don't have a pic on my profile. But, I have private pics that I share if they request it. The normal women (non-pro) all said they block / delete just by the pictures first. Then they read the message, if it looks a form message they deleted / block. Then they read the profile, to long they move on.

Then they respond to those with pics they like and meet their criteria. So those of without profile pics are really after the initial weeding out when they have time. So it's up to our message and succinct profile to catch them.

I am sure if I added a profile pic, my hit rate would be even higher, but I'm not willing to take that risk.

Also, some the messages they get by text after they selected are truly crazy. Like this amount, x minutes of anal, see minutes of bbj, suck ass, pics of how it should be done. I was blown away.

[FastMdSter]

Got to London yesterday and spent about an hour sending messages. Got some replies but not having much luck moving forward. The girls who respond are either looking for a longer arrangement / won't do ppm for one date and the others are asking for 700-1000 pounds for ppm which is crazy. I was thinking 3-400 gbp for ppm but only one girl has been in that range. I've been messaging girls 19-28, mostly white if that matters. Since I don't have that much time here I'm probably going to call it and go back to Diva.

I also tried messaging girls a few weeks before I got here. Also got some numbers but the one I talked to the most is out of town when I'm here. Others haven't replied to texts.

I will admit I'm not very good at seeking or game in general. I tried to follow the template and tell girls I'm looking for a fun date and ask if they're interested. But when they ask what I have in mind I wasn't including intimacy so one said intimacy was more. But doesn't mutually beneficial imply intimacy? Others asked if I was only looking for a dinner date. The one who only does monthly would be fine with dinner and a show but that's it. The ambiguity on seeking is what makes it tricky for me. Does ppm include platonic meets or not? Etc etc.

After spending all the effort on seeking it made me wonder if guys like Steve or Fast with good game could do just as well trying to pick up girls at bars or where ever instead of doing it on sa.

Hey man, London was my trip right before Montreal and I thought I wrote an update, but just checked and I didn't.

London was hard for me also, expensive, and never got my full PSE experiences that I search for with SA.

I also had to resort to gorilla warfare which I hate to do.

Additionally, I think the base rate for London is not 3-400 gbp for 8+ white woman. I was paying 500-600 for the night plus the drinking / food.

I was there 6 days and only managed 3 woman / 4.

Encounters, but I had a busy work schedule in the evenings. A lot of pros in London, but I have a feeling prices are coming down.

I had one who was 25, blond / blue eyes, solid 8, fit as fuck. She was half Croatian or something, works at boutique on Bond st.

GFE+ BBBJ, CIM, BBFS, no cip, couldn't deep throat, couldn't take anal. It was a great night, and it seem she was way more happy than me. 600 gbp.

Another one was 33 yo brunette / brown eyes 7. 5-8 in real life, pics were a 9. From Moldova, has been living in London for 10 yrs. Said she was a lawyer, but can't work as a lawyer or something, they don't recognize her experience so basically some kind of assistant. She is looking for a rich husband bad. But, not hot or young enough to pull down the ballers she wants, imo.

She was GFE only, good fuck, no anal, no deep throat etc. Her body was solid, slim, fake tits, but here feet through me off. Kind of wide, but not big. 600 gbp.

Last one, 22 yo waitress from Spain, the hottest one. Solid 8. 5, tall, slim, real tits, tats. Just a hot girl. She was GFE++ BBFS, CIM, cip no anal, no deep throat. 500 gbp.

What I mean by gorilla warfare: I did not negotiate. I had to change my message to this basically:" I'm in town from NYC visiting my London office which I do 2 x a month. Staying at the Four Seasons in Mayfair. I want a beautiful woman who can hold a conversation, use a fork and join me for dinner at Gordon Ramsay's Lucky Cat. You must be able to wear high heels and walk in them. Not a plutonic experience. If we click I will bring you to a private after hour club, and we finish with you taking off your heels in my company. ".

Now I switched dinner restaurants to "Coya" and "Madhus of Mayfair" for the woman. These are lively places, centrally located, so I could leave or she could leave.

You probably don't have access to the private after hour clubs, everything closes at 11 pm basically in London. So you have less time to work your game.

I discussed ppm day of meeting with all.

The Moldovan came back for me another night for free, but it cost me dinner to fuck her.

Hope that helps.

It was a lot of work. Next time I may stick with Diva. But, it's hard for me to get that real uninhibited PSE sex that I desire from a pro lately. There are a few, but it costs way more.

Good luck, don't be hard. And don't believe London is easy. There are still a lot of Arabs there throwing money around.

[Ggekko2009]

Got to London yesterday and spent about an hour sending messages. Got some replies but not having much luck moving forward. The girls who respond are either looking for a longer arrangement / won't do ppm for one date and the others are asking for 700-1000 pounds for ppm which is crazy. I was thinking 3-400 gbp for ppm but only one girl has been in that range. I've been messaging girls 19-28, mostly white if that matters. Since I don't have that much time here I'm probably going to call it and go back to Diva.

I also tried messaging girls a few weeks before I got here. Also got some numbers but the one I talked to the most is out of town when I'm here. Others haven't replied to texts.

I will admit I'm not very good at seeking or game in general. I tried to follow the template and tell girls I'm looking for a fun date and ask if they're interested. But when they ask what I have in mind I wasn't including intimacy so one said intimacy was more. But doesn't mutually beneficial imply intimacy? Others asked if I was only looking for a dinner date. The one who only does monthly would be fine with dinner and a show but that's it. The ambiguity on seeking is what makes it tricky for me. Does ppm include platonic meets or not? Etc etc.

After spending all the effort on seeking it made me wonder if guys like Steve or Fast with good game could do just as well trying to pick up girls at bars or where ever instead of doing it on sa.

I am not familiar with the London scene but I can only reflect on my own experience, maybe it could be of some help.

1) You are in a Tier-1 city, and it is not surprising that the ppm would reflect that. $500 to $1000 is probably on par in cities like NYC and SFO as it is in London. Unless you are there on business trips, I will not specially go to these places for such experiences. I usually go to cheaper countries like Colombia where I would get a lot more bang for the buck literally, even after you factor in the wining and dining.

2). Girls are not always on the SA app. Response time can vary or not all all. Whenever possible, get their WhatsApp or any other chat app as soon as you can. They are always on these apps.

3) I find it easier to be upfront with the girls before meet. I mention that ppm will only be given if it leads to intimacy. I usually prefer to meet them over dinner and drink so that we can build the chemistry. Most of these SA girls understand what that means and how the games are played. If the girls profiles mention platonic in their SA profile, more often than not, they are not looking to have sex with you.

4) The girl's race and ethnicity could be a factor in their ppm rate. Caucasian girls are usually more expensive.

[GoingDumb]

Got to London yesterday and spent about an hour sending messages. Got some replies but not having much luck moving forward. The girls who respond are either looking for a longer arrangement / won't do ppm for one date and the others are asking for 700-1000 pounds for ppm which is crazy. I was thinking 3-400 gbp for ppm but only one girl has been in that range. I've been messaging girls 19-28, mostly white if that matters. Since I don't have that much time here I'm probably going to call it and go back to Diva.

I also tried messaging girls a few weeks before I got here. Also got some numbers but the one I talked to the most is out of town when I'm here. Others haven't replied to texts.

I will admit I'm not very good at seeking or game in general. I tried to follow the template and tell girls I'm looking for a fun date and ask if they're interested. But when they ask what I have in mind I wasn't including intimacy so one said intimacy was more. But doesn't mutually beneficial imply intimacy? Others asked if I was only looking for a dinner date. The one who only does monthly would be fine with dinner and a show but that's it. The ambiguity on seeking is what makes it tricky for me. Does ppm include platonic meets or not? Etc etc.

After spending all the effort on seeking it made me wonder if guys like Steve or Fast with good game could do just as well trying to pick up girls at bars or where ever instead of doing it on sa.

[FastMdSter]

This happened to me last night and didn't anything of it until now!

She was not Asian either.

Yeah, In the civilian world this was a strong indication for if I was going to fuck that night. Prior to Covid I was on the road 150-200 days a year.

So, spent a lot of time picking up women in bars, clubs, waitresses etc.

And since I am in and out of the cities, my patience is thin.

It was something I noticed, that they come in, take off their heels, then I know my dick will be in some part of their body shortly.

I only see Asians in AMPS so I don't have that experience.

Also, I will share contacts of scammers / pros on this forum that respond in the city I'm in to save you time.

[FastMdSter]

Great report.

Can you share some intel or insight into the thoughts and messages girls are most likely to respond with?

So I asked the women why they chose to respond. I don't have a pic on my profile. But, I have private pics that I share if they request it. The normal women (non-pro) all said they block / delete just by the pictures first. Then they read the message, if it looks a form message they deleted / block. Then they read the profile, to long they move on.

Then they respond to those with pics they like and meet their criteria. So those of without profile pics are really after the initial weeding out when they have time. So it's up to our message and succinct profile to catch them.

I am sure if I added a profile pic, my hit rate would be even higher, but I'm not willing to take that risk.

Also, some the messages they get by text after they selected are truly crazy. Like this amount, x minutes of anal, see minutes of bbj, suck ass, pics of how it should be done. I was blown away.

[The Cane]

My arrangement with Abby is done. We were an item for 6 months. And what happened? She moved. And, it's as simple as that. It's just as well. I mean, to be honest, I was getting bored with just one woman. I have monger mentality. Hell, I am a monger LOL! I want to be fucking different women. And so it goes.

[FilthyBeaver]

This happened to me last night and didn't anything of it until now!

She was not Asian either.

Agree with this. It's a reliable indicator.

It may have some racial bias particularly in Asia where all shoes get removed at the door and replaced with slippers for inside the house.

[FastMdSter]

As always, great report.

By the way, I can't remember the specific details of your Frankfurt experience. Is the ppm higher in Montreal or Frankfurt?

There are definitely a lot of weirdos in SA, since as you mentioned, one of the girls actually told me she had deactivated her account only after a few days because she was disturbed by all these messages. I asked her why then meet up with me, and she said I was the only decent ones, LOL.

I always find the older girls, I mean those above 25, are always better in sex than those younger ones who is between 19 and 21.

So, Montreal is cheaper definitely because of the strong dollar. I also prefer French-Canadian women only because European woman are my favorite, but the québeécois are just so open about sex. Even in bars they are DTF. I have also heard many times they prefer US guys.

They only thing is the tattoo game is real strong in Montreal, and I have large tattoo but it can be overwhelming. Maybe I'm self-conscious when I take them out. I'm 48, but look mid 30's and if I'm coming from a business meeting I'm dressed conservative. If it's after hours then I'm in NYC bar / lounge attire and I'm more laid back.

I know Latam is many people favorite destination because of value, but I have a place so. Beach and I can bang the hottest ones for free just because I can get tables. So I'm not that smitten with them anymore.

I have a trip to Vancouver in July so not sure if I should try SA. Will also be in Seattle in July so trying.

To get my plan in place.

Also, remember I am a hardcover PSE guy, so my bias lends to places where I get that consistently. So far, for me it's always been Canada, Germany, US, and Switzerland. I will settle for GFE, but then I'm on my phone as soon as they leave trying to get my fix.

[AsianPursuits]

So as I have been in this seeking world, I have noticed a similar trait of the woman who I have brought back to my room and random bar / club pick ups.

I have been noticing that the woman who are really comfortable with me take their shoes off as soon as I bring them.

Agree with this. It's a reliable indicator.

It may have some racial bias particularly in Asia where all shoes get removed at the door and replaced with slippers for inside the house.

[AsianPursuits]

These woman were very open with me showing me all the seeking messages they get and showing me how they pick who to respond to.

Great report.

Can you share some intel or insight into the thoughts and messages girls are most likely to respond with?

[Ggekko2009]

So on my way back to NYC from a 4 wk business trip spanning EU, US, and Canada.

Had 3 meetings scheduled for my last 2 days.

The older woman know they are competing with the younger ones so they are more aggressive to meet. They respond fast. I mean above 28. A lot of pros, but you will notice them by their texts.

These woman were very open with me showing me all the seeking messages they get and showing me how they pick who to respond to. Some of the texts they get are truly disturbing.

I have a soft spot for woman who are Qubecois.

I have had so many great experiences with them.

You can't go wrong with SA or using an outcall service. Depends on your commitment level.

As always, great report.

By the way, I can't remember the specific details of your Frankfurt experience. Is the ppm higher in Montreal or Frankfurt?

There are definitely a lot of weirdos in SA, since as you mentioned, one of the girls actually told me she had deactivated her account only after a few days because she was disturbed by all these messages. I asked her why then meet up with me, and she said I was the only decent ones, LOL.

I always find the older girls, I mean those above 25, are always better in sex than those younger ones who is between 19 and 21.

[DramaFree11]

"call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye" Just wondering why the 100's of thousands of guys on SA do not also use ISG. / seeking. (thankfully) because here I see (sometimes) info like bust size, eye color, age, weight etc. Etc. Why? Some sort of hunter mentality? (ok guilty here) on OTHER SA related news groups it's different. Sex seldom mentioned. Which I think is also weird. Sex does not equal love but GFE is kinda a top priority. IMHO sex with a hooker is no longer much fun.

And agree. No more requests for "help" or contacts here. In fact if you even ask, I think these kind of people will bring more hookers to post on SA. Making it harder to find the type of people I would like to meet. Those girls drop off quickly when they have garbage in their inbox.

Not worried about it at all. CDMX takes some money and a little game. Some have one, but do not have the other. Competition will make me stronger! Not to mention I am already developing a lot of connections with the managers at my favorite restaurant and working on connecting with apartments.

Another plus, most guys are too cheap or stupid to use SA, this eliminates most of my competitors. Also, a lot of guys let there pride get in the way of using SA, which makes no sense. I have no pride, that was taken away after I bought my first business and quickly realized that everyone lies. Then, I was audited a couple of times, talk about a joke, but it made me grew up. The government is the biggest cons and liars in the world. Life is good and I love CDMX.

[DonCarlos1234]

Yep, it is not going to happen. I work too hard for my contacts, unlike others, I do not want to sell or benefit from there contact information. I had one guy ask for my login and password, Hell no! You have to come to CDMX. Heading to my 4th meeting of the day. It has been an epic Monday.

"call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye" Just wondering why the 100's of thousands of guys on SA do not also use ISG. / seeking. (thankfully) because here I see (sometimes) info like bust size, eye color, age, weight etc. Etc. Why? Some sort of hunter mentality? (ok guilty here) on OTHER SA related news groups it's different. Sex seldom mentioned. Which I think is also weird. Sex does not equal love but GFE is kinda a top priority. IMHO sex with a hooker is no longer much fun.

And agree. No more requests for "help" or contacts here. In fact if you even ask, I think these kind of people will bring more hookers to post on SA. Making it harder to find the type of people I would like to meet. Those girls drop off quickly when they have garbage in their inbox.