Seeking Arrangements

[Nounce]

What is funny about that is I have no clue how accessible that trail would be to a divorce lawyer because it is China.

Elvis, all payments or transfers can be done electronically by app in China. You can use it to pay for street vendors, prostitutes, tips and everything else. It's universally accepted while credit card is not. I guess you heard about Ant Financial, that is what they do. This is what FB trying to duplicate in US for many years now.

Extra marital affair is illegal in China, P4 P is also illegal. I think those are MW's main concerns, not the divorce. Communist party is integrated into China's society. It is required in large companies so they know each move of these companies. We pay HOA due to HOA in US. My friend told me they pay to a Communist party neighborhood association. MW may get into trouble if someone reports him to the party/police. China may shame you in public if you are caught. China has clamped down hard on P4 P in recent years. That is another reason that makes him worry.

[DramaFree11]

Yeah follow your intuition here. It's not going to work. She's going to need money for ticket etc and you don't know her from Adam. With the three I have flown I've gotten pretty lucky that two out of three didn't screw me over and it was fabulous. But Valentina took me for a $3000 ride and I thought I knew her well (21 hours together which is 2-4 X what I spent with Alexa and Thifany when I flew them). So an unknown? No way.

I also tried it a couple of times, I would not recommend it. It can get very expensive quickly and yes they will miss there flight or do something stupid, that cost will cost extra money and time. My advice pick a great destination and make it your home base. You can build a nice stable of girls and rotate them, but that does get expensive in the states. Mexico, Europe and Russia much cheaper.

[Elvis 2008]

Do you guys think this is a good idea? In Shanghai, it is quite common for married men to have mistresses, and as part of the deal, the man rents an apartment for their mistress. I am thinking about doing this for my main SB. It's kind of hilarious because I'm an American. So, I might be one of the first Americans to have a kept mistress in China (eh, now that I think of it, I'm sure it's been done thousands of times by foreigners before me).

What is funny about that is I have no clue how accessible that trail would be to a divorce lawyer because it is China.

Seeing as how your main issue is not leaving a trail. I would set up an account on somewhere like hotels.com and keep it so it cannot be linked to you easily. I would use an encrypted mail service like proton or pay for one. I would use a Visa Vanilla Gift Card to pay for the room. I guess you could do this for Airbnb as well.

Honestly, though, MW, what I learned with my divorce was my cheating was not the big deal I thought it was. I hated that my ex spilled my dirt to the world, but these lawyers have it down. Typically in my state, it is common for an estate to be split 50-50. If the guy has committed fraud against the community, which in my case was spending my own money, then it is not an even split but it goes 55% for the women and 45% for the guy. Now that is before legal expenses. A divorce lawyer told me the goal of lawyers is 6% of the estate so that puts the woman's share down to 52%.

Now my ex said when getting 52% over 50% and dragging me through the mud to get there sounded good to her, and I told her that I had no problem spending all of our assets on lawyers if she pulled that shit and I said 50% of nothing and 52% of nothing are the same damned thing, *****.

My point is that all this running around and hiding was a lot of stress, and it did not matter financially or in court. Once women learn that all their bitching is just going to cost them money, they shut up and settle. I call this divorce method burning down the house and I have had many people thank me for telling them that, and their divorces settled very quickly after they used that technique.

But I would talk to a divorce lawyer about your options and what happens if the wife found out. Society makes it out to be the cheating husband is the most evil SOB on the planet when in fact courts deal with this routinely all the time. What I have found is the wives almost always know you are cheating. They tolerate it because for most getting a divorce would be a step down with life. They just do not want it thrown in their face.

The funniest thing of all time was when a stripper, who knew I was married was giving me head and finished. She and I were talking, and I asked about her boyfriend and she said, "he cheated on me. Can you believe it?" She was oblivious to the hypocrisy. I said, "Oh you poor thing. That is terrible. Can you give me some more head?

[CarloRogue]

MW,

Let me tell you how that goes. I would do this with women I had met previously. I would buy the ticket and one out of every two times the women would cancel or not come. Three times I had women cancel and claimed to have a sick father (never the mother), and one friend started giving me shit about it. He said every time I bought an airline ticket my state would have a surge of paternal deaths.

So 50% showed up and that was with women I had banged and had a decent relationship with. With a woman you do not know, I cannot see how the percentage would be better.

This is so funny. I've tried this only twice, and also batted. 500. The first time was great. On my second attempt (a stunning Thai soft-core porn model), I caused such apparent calamity that I felt like a monster for making the invitation (hospitalization inducing migraines, a job firing, and other personal distress just short of death). Despite that, I'm currently coordinating another out-of-state visit. I'm being a little bit more cautious this time, having spoken on the phone and facetimed with the girl to vet her a bit more. All risk can't be fully eliminated, but that's what makes life interesting I think. The other advantage here is that you can pull from locations that have a more favorable SB / SD ratio and have a better chance of pulling a 9 or 10.

[CarloRogue]

AirBnB does not allow hidden camera. I know host can still use it but not likely if you use a host with many reviews. I wonder how they would track you if you register in US.

I think you are overthinking this because you are married but people who don't know you do not know that.

The last time rented an AirBnB, I had to upload ID to AirBnB. The host doesn't get direct access to your ID according to AirBnB, they just receive third party verification from AirBnB that you are who you say you are. At the time, I believe this requirement was optional by property. Some hosts required it, some didn't. Not sure about now (anybody know?) If it's mandatory or just more widespread now, that would make it quite difficult to rent anonymously, just like a hotel room.

And regarding cameras, the villa I rented overseas about a year ago had a camera on the door (with obvious IR capability), so they could see who's entering the property day or night. I would think there are privacy laws in most advanced countries against spying within the premises, so you're probably safe there. But if you're really paranoid, there are some relatively simple techniques you can use to look for hidden cameras. In general, however, the world has entered a surveillance age and there's no going back. HD cameras are everywhere, and wireless transmission metadata is recorded permanently and allows precise position triangulation. And don't get me started about all those free apps we've all downloaded. It's harder and harder to move about anonymously, if you really need to.

[Steve 9696]

I met many girls on SA that said they could fly to meet me. Man, does this often go well? Anyone else have any experience with this? Given that chemistry is rare, I do not think this would be a good gamble.

Yeah follow your intuition here. It's not going to work. She's going to need money for ticket etc and you don't know her from Adam. With the three I have flown I've gotten pretty lucky that two out of three didn't screw me over and it was fabulous. But Valentina took me for a $3000 ride and I thought I knew her well (21 hours together which is 2-4 X what I spent with Alexa and Thifany when I flew them). So an unknown? No way.

[Nounce]

I gave this serious thought. But most places require ID. And also mobile transfer pay. Both can leave a trail too.

In addition, I heard some Chinese apartment owners have hidden cameras in their units, to make sure tenants aren't stealing stuff.

This rental is only for 2 months for now. I'll see how it goes.

AirBnB does not allow hidden camera. I know host can still use it but not likely if you use a host with many reviews. I wonder how they would track you if you register in US.

I think you are overthinking this because you are married but people who don't know you do not know that.

[Midwestern]

Is there anything against AirBnB? I think this would fit perfectly for you. You could change places and areas very often, it would amount to about the same monthly fee of 6000 RMB (roughly).

Long term rental is never a good idea because you're pretty easy to find and have a predictable pattern.

I gave this serious thought. But most places require ID. And also mobile transfer pay. Both can leave a trail too.

In addition, I heard some Chinese apartment owners have hidden cameras in their units, to make sure tenants aren't stealing stuff.

This rental is only for 2 months for now. I'll see how it goes.

[Elvis 2008]

I met many girls on SA that said they could fly to meet me. Man, does this often go well? Anyone else have any experience with this? Given that chemistry is rare, I do not think this would be a good gamble.

MW,

Let me tell you how that goes. I would do this with women I had met previously. I would buy the ticket and one out of every two times the women would cancel or not come. Three times I had women cancel and claimed to have a sick father (never the mother), and one friend started giving me shit about it. He said every time I bought an airline ticket my state would have a surge of paternal deaths.

So 50% showed up and that was with women I had banged and had a decent relationship with. With a woman you do not know, I cannot see how the percentage would be better.

[NicFrenchy]

letting my main SB rent a place for us, and in a place that more private.

Is there anything against AirBnB? I think this would fit perfectly for you. You could change places and areas very often, it would amount to about the same monthly fee of 6000 RMB (roughly).

Long term rental is never a good idea because you're pretty easy to find and have a predictable pattern.

[Akibono]

Do you guys think this is a good idea? In Shanghai, it is quite common for married men to have mistresses, and as part of the deal, the man rents an apartment for their mistress. I am thinking about doing this for my main SB. It's kind of hilarious because I'm an American. So, I might be one of the first Americans to have a kept mistress in China (eh, now that I think of it, I'm sure it's been done thousands of times by foreigners before me).

Here are the financial details: Rent is 6000 RMB (about $900) per month. Her monthly SB allowance is 8000 RMB (about $1200).

I have known her for several months now. She is a super great lay, great body, pretty face, she's about half my age, and she's pretty fun to hang out with too. And I think she genuinely likes me. However, after having been with her for several months now, it is starting to get stale. So, we are proceeding with a 2 month rental for now, to see how it goes.

Right now, my main concerns are that she will meet other men at this apartment, but oh well. And that eventually the neighbors and security guards will know us, and maybe they will call the police. I am an American, and so I will always stand out. We plan on arriving at the apartment separately, but still. And I think she is going to continue living at her regular place, so we are just using this apartment for us to meet, and that too will draw the security guards' and neighbors's attentions, if we are only showing up during the day time..

You are trading off one problem for another. Your system requires trust among the parties where people have an incentive to report. You said your landlord has several places. Can she recommend or suggest a place with more "privacy?" What would be almost ideal is if you can get a "job" working at this place as either security or maintaince. You don't have to get paid. Just gives you an excuse to be there at any time as long as you don't show up with the girl and are seen entering her apt. If you can get the landlord to introduce you to the staff, it almost guarantees that everyone will be quiet. The other alternative is if there is a sublet market. But in some ways, you have a very good problem compared to the rest of us.

You could also do things to reduce your risks. For example, how you dress says a lot. What if you came with tools and a working mans outfit. You can change later. People may be confused enough not to put the pieces together. They might just think you are doing work there. The girl can be the "interior designer. " The fantasy can add some spice to your sex life if you are sharp.

[Akibono]

I met many girls on SA that said they could fly to meet me. Man, does this often go well? Anyone else have any experience with this? Given that chemistry is rare, I do not think this would be a good gamble.

Same here. It is incredibly dangerous for the girl. Being in a foreign place by yourself to meet a stranger is insane. Either the girl is desperate (not a good reason to meet) or naive (which presents its own problems.) But if it works for you in your venue, who am I to disagree. The risk to you is very minor besides the cost.

[Midwestern]

Do you guys think this is a good idea? In Shanghai, it is quite common for married men to have mistresses, and as part of the deal, the man rents an apartment for their mistress. I am thinking about doing this for my main SB. It's kind of hilarious because I'm an American. So, I might be one of the first Americans to have a kept mistress in China (eh, now that I think of it, I'm sure it's been done thousands of times by foreigners before me).

Here are the financial details: Rent is 6000 RMB (about $900) per month. Her monthly SB allowance is 8000 RMB (about $1200).

I have known her for several months now. She is a super great lay, great body, pretty face, she's about half my age, and she's pretty fun to hang out with too. And I think she genuinely likes me. However, after having been with her for several months now, it is starting to get stale. So, we are proceeding with a 2 month rental for now, to see how it goes.

Right now, my main concerns are that she will meet other men at this apartment, but oh well. And that eventually the neighbors and security guards will know us, and maybe they will call the police. I am an American, and so I will always stand out. We plan on arriving at the apartment separately, but still. And I think she is going to continue living at her regular place, so we are just using this apartment for us to meet, and that too will draw the security guards' and neighbors's attentions, if we are only showing up during the day time.

Any thoughts on any of this? I am also thinking about using this apartment to meet other GFs, SBs, and WGs there, but not sure about this part yet.

BTW, for any of you guys who know my recent history, you will know that I rented an apartment as a place to meet SBs, GFs, and WGs. The amazing part was that there was no lease involved. It was all a cash transaction deal, so there's nothing that officially connects me to this apartment. Even the utility bills are paid for by the landlord. During the first couple of weeks, I was there almost every day shagging someone. But now the security guards, front desk people, and many neighbors know me, and they all give me dirty looks. My main SB refuses to return there, and I am also scared to return there as well, because any of these uptight neighbors could call the police or register a complaint. So, this is why I am thinking about letting my main SB rent a place for us, and in a place that more private.

[Midwestern]

I met many girls on SA that said they could fly to meet me. Man, does this often go well? Anyone else have any experience with this? Given that chemistry is rare, I do not think this would be a good gamble.

On this topic I have to agree yes there are a lot of them on SA in Europe where I live.

Had one girl from Helsinki who had everything except sex and intimacy in her marriage. And her husband hated Anal sex so I became the substitution to playing with her butt. Which was her favorite that were not enjoyed for almost 6 years (before I came into the picture.

Another one from London seemed to not be married or in relationship when we talked. But she had kids but were slim and wanted to try Anal sex. So ofc I invited and flew her over for a weekend and turned out she had a ring on her finger and didn't want to talk about it.

Both gave me a bit of a sour after taste because I firmly believe in marriage to stay like a marriage, or be fucking open to your partner what you do.

So nowadays I'm digging harder in their life situation before I offer to fly them to me.

But everyone I met that are married I felt like it's all about recognition for the women. They crave for someone to enjoy their bodies and feel like they are still "in the game" and wanted.

I'm below 50 years of age and look young.

[RandomWanderer]

On this topic I have to agree yes there are a lot of them on SA in Europe where I live.

Had one girl from Helsinki who had everything except sex and intimacy in her marriage. And her husband hated Anal sex so I became the substitution to playing with her butt. Which was her favorite that were not enjoyed for almost 6 years (before I came into the picture.

Another one from London seemed to not be married or in relationship when we talked. But she had kids but were slim and wanted to try Anal sex. So ofc I invited and flew her over for a weekend and turned out she had a ring on her finger and didn't want to talk about it.

Both gave me a bit of a sour after taste because I firmly believe in marriage to stay like a marriage, or be fucking open to your partner what you do.

So nowadays I'm digging harder in their life situation before I offer to fly them to me.

But everyone I met that are married I felt like it's all about recognition for the women. They crave for someone to enjoy their bodies and feel like they are still "in the game" and wanted.

I'm below 50 years of age and look young.