Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

Perhaps you are right. That's a great success rate in Mexico, good for you! I should say a few things, fairly obvious points: (a) these percent's are imprecise, I did not calculate with a spreadsheet (b) individual mileage will vary; in the same, same prices, one dude will have more success than some other, just the nature of this game (c) there will be variation between cities and most definitely countries (d) depends on how much we are willing to pay; pay high enough, you can have 100% success rate and vice versa (e) my target spec is White / early 20's, slim bodied, pretty girls; they usually demand highest amounts (f) I am very disciplined and don't pay up.

Also, my 2% number is based on actual sex encounters. There are many more girls who say yes to my offer but due to scheduling etc we did not make it happen. I am having difficulty making up enough excuses to leave the house as I have a family and we still have work from home at my company. If I was single and could fuck whenever I wanted, my success rates would be much higher. So, if a girl says "hey, I am free, come over to my place or can I come to you" at 11 PM on Wednesday night, I can't say yes but if I was single, I could do that. That makes a huge difference.

All in all, SA is a great experience. Much better than Tinder etc. Yes, the fee is high but if you avail of the discounted fare, it is only $200 for 3 months which is worth it. (P.S.: SA should offer a discount annual sale, say $600 to $700). The reason some guys are frustrated is because they have inflated, unrealistic expectations. The problem is them. To me, SA is a resource. It is up to the monger how efficiently he will use the resource.

I agree SA is great. It has totally changed my life, in a positive way. You will not here me complaining about SA.

[DramaFree11]

What do you think your success rate would be if you did not offer or negotiate the price upfront like some posters here suggest?

Very low. Everybody pays. Even my buddy Elvis.

[Steve 9696]

What do you think your success rate would be if you did not offer or negotiate the price upfront like some posters here suggest?

Actually now that you mention it, when I think back to my recent sex fail I wonder if it would have gone differently if I'd followed my usual protocol and decided up front. Thinking she's on her back in my room, tits out, and I'm heading down and she knows she's going home with $400 if we just proceed or zero if we don't. I have to wonder if that mighta ended differently.

Back to following my playbook!

[Pessimist]

What do you think your success rate would be if you did not offer or negotiate the price upfront like some posters here suggest?

These are my guesstimates within the search results I obtain. My searches are done with the following parameters: Race: White, Pacific Islander, Latino, Asian, middle Eastern, Native American; Age: 18-30; body shape: slim, athletic, curvy, average. Within 100 miles of me.

I never see older ladies, other ethnicity women, 'a few extra pounds" etc.

I don't care about smoking, height, etc.

Oh, I filter out trans, seeking trans, anything with trans. That would be my nightmare; we check into a room, she pulls down panties and has "a dangling little her".

I think at any given time, in my 100 mile range, I see 150 to 200 girls online (during peak times could be 250+). Over a week, my guess would be that there are 500 to 800 girls in that spec range in my 100 mile range. Perhaps higher. So, it would appear I am somewhat lucky; for fun, I checked the same in various European cities and numbers are far smaller. * For example I just checked out Novosibirisk in Russia because Siberian girls are supposed to be hot. There is one girl online at the moment (it is morning there), 4 who logged in the last 24 hours, 3 more who logged in last week. Yes, they are all fucking super hot, but just 7 who logged in a week.

I do say Hello, (copy / paste message, generally 3 or 4 lines with how cute they are, I want to get to know them and I will provide help promise; no reference to sex whatsoever) to a fair number if the face is attractive enough. Since I limited search by race, body type, age etc, the only deciding factor is facial attraction. I typically don't bother to read what they wrote in their bios. It is BS anyway. I had sex with girls who claimed they want to be strictly platonic, and a ton of girls who say in the bio "down for anything" coyly inform me they want to be online only. Clearly "anything" has a different meaning in their dictionary.

I would say, 30% or more are total scammers. I. E. They might be dudes sitting in some foreign country looking to scam some money off horny US gentlemen. As I mentioned, of late, these DeFi / crypto scammers have propped up. They usually front with a model-type Asian women, very skinny, glossy photos, almost Eurasian faces; age is often listed 30 but she looks 21; more than half are listed as divorced, single moms etc. They are always traveling, half have London apartments (plural), they are not here for money but want a romantic relationship and they can't meet because of the travels. Not sure why, this scammer type has been infesting my area. I was curious if others are seeing them in their searches.

At least a third or more will not have sex whatsoever. Platonic only. Nearly 80% of 18-20 age group falls into this category. Most of them do not even want to meet. Some of these girls can be totally clueless. Sometimes I play along with them; several said they don't need much, just enough to meet their current living expenses, and then quoted they want $1,500 to $2,000 a week for chatting, texting, some non-nude pics. Sometimes I weep about the intelligence of my country's future women, if these are representative samples. Or perhaps there are some guys who actually are that gullible.

I'd say, the remaining (may be a third) are open to meet, perhaps to sex. Since I don't outright ask for sex due to concern about sting operations, it is always somewhat implied, never stated. I typically ask to meet for a drink / coffee meet. Here, many discussions break down. Quite a few want upfront payment for the intro meet. "why should I meet you and spend time if I don't get compensated" is a common refrain. So, the more malleable / honest ones agree to meet if I promise them I will pay something for the intro meet (which I don't). The less flexible / less honest ones want a Cashapp / Venmo payment before they agree to come over. Obviously, only the dumbest people ever do that.

The change I have seen is that prepandemic to now, the percent demanding upfront payment has spiked up a lot. Very puzzling because so many are broke and need money.

Some of them are full of themselves. "my time is of value" they arrogantly claim. I mean so many of them are making minimum wage or nothing, and here I make hundreds an hour if I divide my annual comp by the number of hours I work, and I am being told their time is too valuable.

A small percent agreed to meet, I confirmed they are still coming before I start driving, and it is a no-show. That's right, the bloody b) t) h had no intention to show up but said "yes I am on my way". The gall these girls have talking about wasting time on scammers.

That leaves really 10-20% who are truly interested and will meet and have sex and all that; since I will always have a allowance negotiation prior to a intro coffee meet, and with my strict discipline, I lose quite a few there.

If I was ready to pay $500 or even more (say the $1000 that the other gentleman was paying), perhaps these percent's would be larger, even much larger. It is possible many of the girls who want upfront payment for a coffee meet may not demand it if I said I pay $1000 ppm. But I stay honest and tell them my allowance limit and I will not budge.

So, how am I snagging any girls at all? (a) because even a small percent of 800 is a big enough number (b) time and patience. I have been on the site for 6 years now and accumulated contacts help. Not contacts from 6 years, mind you. The shelf life of these girls is maybe 2 to 4 years max. I see very few girls on the site who I had seen 3 years ago* or 4 years ago. Of course, if someone was 26 years old 4 years ago, she is pushing 30 now and I filter her out with my screens.

With all these things said, in just 4 to 5 months, I have phone#s of at least 15 to 20 girls who agreed to everything and ready to have sex and I did have sex with 5 or 6 of them, all of them new contacts since I rejoined the site in late August I think. So, time and law of large numbers are on your side. Be patient, enjoy the process, enjoy the chats even with obvious scammers (I even enjoy the chats with the DeFi scammers even though I spot them off the bat). If I was not married and could meet a girl anytime of the day / week, then I am fairly confident I can have sex on 4 to 5 days a week if not all 7. Once a girl had sex with you, she knows you are safe, will pay as promised, don't hurt her physically, she wants that money and will meet multiple times a week.

I also have seen the good girls being flexible at lower prices but also a lot more scammers. On the face of it, that seems paradoxical. If the supply worsened, more scammers can be expected; but why are the good girls available at cheaper prices than earlier? Tough to say.

4 to 5 years ago, that 800 number I quoted above was significantly lower. But scammer percent was also way low. As the site became better known, everyone flocked onto the site. In this regard, I see parallels to German FKKs which is my other mongering outlet (in normal times).

[MiamiBoy1]

That said, I don't disagree that SA is a lot of work. I used to think success rate is 5% to 10% at most, now it is probably 2%. I. E. If I send a "Hello, how are you?" message to 100 girls, the chance that I will actually fuck one of them is 2/100, AT the price point I want to. Even if I went up to $500 or more, the chance only increases to 10% to 20%.

What do you think your success rate would be if you did not offer or negotiate the price upfront like some posters here suggest?

[The Cane]

Please clear your inbox. You guys just don't actively manage your messages do you?

[WyattEarp]

Honestly it was a great date right up to a few minutes before the end. We went out for Italian at a restaurant of her choice. She's late 20's and a pretty accomplished middle manager so not as submissive as the young 20's girls. But we had a really great dinner. And I wasn't ready to just rush to the room so she followed me (20 min drive) to the speakeasy near my hotel. We parked in hotel parking so it def seemed very on.

She loves speakeasies and the vibe was great. I was doing plenty of light touching and lean ins and the chemistry was there. Walked to the hotel hand in hand. Ninths room it was very comfortable and a bit playful. We end up on the bed and while we're chatting I softly play with her tits. We kiss some. Just letting it develop. Eventually I am pulling her lacy bra down and working her nipples which are super big and get nice and hard. She is clearly enjoying herself. We even get her dress mostly off. Licking at her waistline I move down to her thigh gap and get a "not ready for that yet". Boo. We do kiss some more and some more tit play but she is adamant no sex on first date. Damn 28 year olds!

Well obviously I am disappointed and she is surprised I would expect sex on first date. So a bit of a light verbal scuffle there..

This is a very interesting situation Steve. Do you want to see if this morphs into non-monetary sex? Perhaps you don't have the time and patience for this. Even worse, maybe she wants a real boyfriend.

Things would be perfect if you could go out with this girl and then go back to your hotel to have sex with Kayla. I'm only joking of course.

[WyattEarp]

Skinny under 25 girls are all over the planet so then you need to ask yourself what you like. White, black, Latina. Latinas tend to plump up fast so as a numbers guy I'd say that wouldn't be my first choice.

So funny and so true about the Latinas. I think you might be off a few years though. The skinny, hot Latinas really work to keep that club figure. Beginning around 25 is when I think they start to lose the battle.

[WyattEarp]

Interestingly enough, in my considerable mongering life, the best sex I've ever had was with girls that didn't speak my language and I did not or barely spoke theirs.

I thought about this and I have to admit there is something to this. Perhaps it's somewhat similar to how deaf or blind people have heightened senses. The focus is solely on the sex. No need for phony, superficial conversations between two people with very different lives. Sex is the only way to communicate.

I remember a Brazilian girl who I met on one trip to Brazil. I spent two amazing nights with her and she spoke absolutely no English. I saw her every year for a couple years. As her English improved (undoubtedly she met many foreigners in her line of work), I found I really did not have much verbal chemistry with her. And as such, the sex was not as amazing.

I could chalk this up to a one-off situation or I just got tired of sex with her. However, I found this to be somewhat true with other foreign women as well as other parts of the world.

[DramaFree11]

I can't remember any real advice from you, only accusations of me complaining too much (all my complaints / issues are legit, there are multiple reports by other members experiencing the same). I used to like reading your field reports though, good stuff.

M.

Yes, you said the girls in MTY were not goid looking enough for you. But, who cares. Remember we are all very fortunate and lucky enough to have great lives and do amazing things. Be positive and try to learn something from everyone. It is ok, to complain about 1 or 2 destinations, but no every where. I will do the same. Good luck.

Kiev was great at one time.

MDE has probably always sucked, or you have very low standards.

Mxico / Moscow are the best!!

[MiamiBoy1]

As usual you are wrong. You forgot that you turned down advice from myself and others. My life is amazing both professionally and socially, maybe you could learn something from my hard work and treating people with respect.

I can't remember any real advice from you, only accusations of me complaining too much (all my complaints / issues are legit, there are multiple reports by other members experiencing the same). I used to like reading your field reports though, good stuff.

[Igor54]

M. Boy is great example of how not to act. All this guys does is brag about how great he is and yet he runs into one problem after another. I am 52 and having the best time of my life, and the most sex in my life. I meeting incredible girls, having amazing experiences.

It's good, the problem is, aging is not a linear process, you can expect that the rate will increase exponentially. Good luck with girls.

[Pessimist]

I would say 3-6% in the states. But in Mxico I am probably at 18-25% it is amazing. I listen to guys bashing it. I could not disagree, my experience has been amazing. Sure bad things happen, but I just keep moving forward.

Perhaps you are right. That's a great success rate in Mexico, good for you! I should say a few things, fairly obvious points: (a) these percent's are imprecise, I did not calculate with a spreadsheet (b) individual mileage will vary; in the same, same prices, one dude will have more success than some other, just the nature of this game (c) there will be variation between cities and most definitely countries (d) depends on how much we are willing to pay; pay high enough, you can have 100% success rate and vice versa (e) my target spec is White / early 20's, slim bodied, pretty girls; they usually demand highest amounts (f) I am very disciplined and don't pay up.

Also, my 2% number is based on actual sex encounters. There are many more girls who say yes to my offer but due to scheduling etc we did not make it happen. I am having difficulty making up enough excuses to leave the house as I have a family and we still have work from home at my company. If I was single and could fuck whenever I wanted, my success rates would be much higher. So, if a girl says "hey, I am free, come over to my place or can I come to you" at 11 PM on Wednesday night, I can't say yes but if I was single, I could do that. That makes a huge difference.

All in all, SA is a great experience. Much better than Tinder etc. Yes, the fee is high but if you avail of the discounted fare, it is only $200 for 3 months which is worth it. (P.S.: SA should offer a discount annual sale, say $600 to $700). The reason some guys are frustrated is because they have inflated, unrealistic expectations. The problem is them. To me, SA is a resource. It is up to the monger how efficiently he will use the resource.

[Steve 9696]

Please clear out some messages from your inbox. Thanks!

All clear fire away!

[DramaFree11]

I don't know anything about those locations. My activity on SA is confined to US (and EU when I travel there, which hasn't happened in 2 years). I don't disagree there is a high amount of flakiness and if anything, it has increased massively since the pandemic. But 2 visits with repeat girls is very much doable, if you find the right ones of course. One example: there was a University student I wrote about a few weeks ago. Pretty, 22, blonde, slim body, quite intelligent and independent. It took me nearly 4 to 5 weeks of pursuit before she finally met me. I liked her but the sex quality has been somewhat tepid. $300 allowance. Since that first time, she writes to me pretty much every week, and often multiple times a week to see if I want to "hang". This is a fairly common experience for me. The first sex meet is a high hurdle with a girl, she doesn't put out so easily, even when you pay a good amount. But once she has been deflowered in an arrangement, she wants to keep coming back (provided you don't turn out to be an AH in the bed). Of course for me, I want to sample as many pussies as possible and the desire is the exact opposite. After a single fuck, the novelty wears off 50% and after 2 or 3, it is down 90% and it feels like an old relationship.

That said, I don't disagree that SA is a lot of work. I used to think success rate is 5% to 10% at most, now it is probably 2%. I. E. If I send a "Hello, how are you?" message to 100 girls, the chance that I will actually fuck one of them is 2/100, AT the price point I want to. Even if I went up to $500 or more, the chance only increases to 10% to 20%. Nearly 50% or more of the "girls" on SA are absolute scammers, thieves. Of late, at least in my city, there are a bunch of Chinese or some other Asian nationals, probably not in the USA, posing as girls and trying to lure the guy onto WhatsApp (rarely use local numbers) who are then trying to sell some kinda defi, crypto, mining some other shit scam. I have gotten good at spotting them after a few encounters and typically flag them to the mod right away but they keep sprouting up by the dozens. I don't know if others are noticing this group.

I would say 3-6% in the states. But in Mxico I am probably at 18-25% it is amazing. I listen to guys bashing it. I could not disagree, my experience has been amazing. Sure bad things happen, but I just keep moving forward.