Seeking Arrangements

[WyattEarp]

What would be of great help in filling out the chart is some indication of the success rates in the various places. It is one thing to find a data point. It is entirely another thing to know how much chaff you have to sort through to get a good SB. It will always be a chore, but some cities / countries are more target rich while others are simply not worth the effort. That is why a WG is a good option. You don't have to nego and sex is a sure thing. In any case, thanks to all for providing much needed data and experiences.

This would be a very difficult task. You would be quantifying the almost totally subjective. Beyond the dollars and euros, there is a lot of game involved. I suppose one can make generalizations about a city, but I think that would have limited use. Some guys are also good screeners as well as good communicators.

[Steve 9696]

My experiences in London were in my role as a visitor only, did not live in London during the time I have had my SA subscription. That is now nearing 5 years, and visited London may be 6 times in this period. The most I ever managed was a couple of drink / dinner meets. Was stood up twice. Girls demanded upfront gifts / allowances just to meet and that is not acceptable to me. The ones that progressed to a face to face meet were looking at north of 4 to 5, and that was not particularly attractive. It also generally happened that in most of those visits I was visiting continental Europe along with London, and I knew that I would either visit FKKs or brothels or have a better deal in the countries I was visiting, so I passed. Perhaps if I had been a local and with more patience, I would have had an easier time in London.

There is definitely limited data on London so guessing he used my reports. I think it makes sense that there is limited data because the Diva agency girls are awesome And well priced. So you really have to be after the full dinner etc experience to bother with SA. My two SA experiences in London were as follows (happy to report full reports if you like):

1 Oct 2019 Desperate for the full date experience. Found a Columbiana at the last minute. She wanted 350 £ which seemed high to me but I went with it. It was her friends birthday so she came too. End up with four hours of dinner dancing drinking and sex with a seven and a nine. It was a great deal in the end.

2 Feb 2020. Again quite last minute. I was using the "I'm going dancing in Soho. Join me. " approach and got several bites. Finally settled on complete non-pro but she wouldn't budge below 250 £. Came straight to my room but was a slow starter. Two hours of drink and chat and then 2 hrs of non stop amazing sex. Solid 8. 5.

So I've gotten extremely good value. But maybe lucky. Certainly a four hour duo for 350 doesn't happen every day!

[Pessimist]

No problem! What was your experience in London? Were the quotes considerably higher than what other members have stated?.

My experiences in London were in my role as a visitor only, did not live in London during the time I have had my SA subscription. That is now nearing 5 years, and visited London may be 6 times in this period. The most I ever managed was a couple of drink / dinner meets. Was stood up twice. Girls demanded upfront gifts / allowances just to meet and that is not acceptable to me. The ones that progressed to a face to face meet were looking at north of 4 to 5, and that was not particularly attractive. It also generally happened that in most of those visits I was visiting continental Europe along with London, and I knew that I would either visit FKKs or brothels or have a better deal in the countries I was visiting, so I passed. Perhaps if I had been a local and with more patience, I would have had an easier time in London.

[AmsBoy]

Your numbers are great! Thank you for that addition. Am I right to assume that these numbers should apply to the whole of NL?

From my experience, I have usually approached girls in and around Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague area. So I think that should cover the major part of the country.

[Akibono]

What would be of great help in filling out the chart is some indication of the success rates in the various places. It is one thing to find a data point. It is entirely another thing to know how much chaff you have to sort through to get a good SB. It will always be a chore, but some cities / countries are more target rich while others are simply not worth the effort. That is why a WG is a good option. You don't have to nego and sex is a sure thing. In any case, thanks to all for providing much needed data and experiences.

[Midwestern]

Ailton: Here's another data point for your database. I used SA a lot in Niagara Falls, Canada. A few years ago, the price point was 200-250 CAD. However, a year ago, the gals were asking for 300 CAD. I bet 250 CAD is still possible though. That's a bargain, considering the exchange rate, and considering how pretty decent looking the gals were. The thing about Niagara Falls, Canada, is that there a LOT of people there that work in the tourism industry, but they do not make much money, and so there are many gals looking to make extra money on the side, and there are a lot of hotties there too. The other thing about Niagara Falls, Canada, is that the pros charge around 200 CAD (if my recollection is correct), and so the competition from pros keeps the SB rates low and competitive.

[Ailton]

Awesome report, MTY is 3000-4500 pesos, $150-250. (This is for several hours, depending on your game, Range from 6-8. 5's all day long) Moscow $150-350, once you get above $200 you can score some stunners.

Thank you for these numbers. Mongering in Russia must be an adventure!

[Ailton]

Ailton, this is fucking awesome! I especially like the links so that we can see the post and who you got the data point from! The links are what makes this amazing. I cannot believe you did this. Please maintain this! You are awesome. You're our data guy.

You are welcome. You guys have saved me a lot of money, as I was originally willing to pay to pay much more. I simply maintained an excel sheet and whenever I saw something of interest, made an entry. Will definitely maintain the work.

Second MW. Lovely list. Obviously everyone's personal experiences differ slightly but in cities that I have used SA services your numbers approximately match my own personal experience. I never tried the weekend arrangements in Barcelona etc and those sound like fantastic deals. I have paid 200 E for a normal meet in those places however. Generally, 200 to 250 is a good price in Europe, depending on the girl. I think my deals were at lesser amounts in TX than what your list says and 300-350 in London sounds like a great deal. Never got it. I stopped trying in London in my last couple of visits and now just enjoy the city.

No problem! What was your experience in London? Were the quotes considerably higher than what other members have stated?

Are these compiled from data points supplied on ISG or did you combine with external inputs?

Until now, it is ISG only.

Now about prices, I have seen that most of the girls (aged 19-21) agree for 200 euros for 3 to 4 hours for a first date itself (no coffee, no meeting up before hotel date bullshit). In my experience, girls who are 23 and above have quoted 500 and plus, however some do come back to the line and have agreed for 250-300 (after I totally refuse or negotiate, depends on how hot the girl is). Then there is this other category of girls which after quoting 500/600 Euros, negotiate based on the time, saying that they could spend only 1 hour or 2 hours for 250 euros. I am usually not interested in them, as I get a feeling of a regular WG.

So to summarize. My highest success rate has been with girls from age 19-21, with a price of 200 PPM. And so far I have sampled around 10-12 different girls from SA and have only repeated 1 because I paid her 300 for the first time and then tried my luck with 200 and she agreed.

Your numbers are great! Thank you for that addition. Am I right to assume that these numbers should apply to the whole of NL?

Excellent summary with source links. Gives you an idea what cities are the most expensive for sugar babies. With USA Dollars, I'm intrigued by Montreal. Montreal is not an expensive city for Americans. The Quebecoise women are also more open sexually. It's also relatively easy to get to MTL.

Absolutely agree. The offerings between MTL and QC are also vast on SA. Looking forward to spoil you with a good report on MTL in the first half of 2021.

(just realized I saved the wrong link for MTL or the original post has been deleted, maybe one of you guys could help out with that. I strongly suspect MTL might be a sweet spot).

[DramaFree11]

Ailton, this is fucking awesome! I especially like the links so that we can see the post and who you got the data point from! The links are what makes this amazing. I cannot believe you did this. Please maintain this! You are awesome. You're our data guy.

Ailton, this is fucking awesome! I especially like the links so that we can see the post and who you got the data point from! The links are what makes this amazing. I cannot believe you did this. Please maintain this! You are awesome. You're our data guy.

Awesome report, MTY is 3000-4500 pesos, $150-250. (This is for several hours, depending on your game, Range from 6-8. 5's all day long) Moscow $150-350, once you get above $200 you can score some stunners.

[Oneminuteboy]

I would like to give back to this forum as I have learnt a lot about SA from the many posters here. Thanks you guys, you are doing an amazing job!

I have been on SA since March this year. I usually do not have much time to spend on SA therefore over the months I have adjusted my approach and now basically my game is to chat as less as possible on SA and move her to WhatsApp, after giving her clear indication that I am looking for intimacy. This helps me in avoiding any misunderstanding and my time being wasted. I understand that this can be bit direct for other countries, but this works in my case as I am in Netherlands and people generally here are straight forward.

So to summarize. My highest success rate has been with girls from age 19-21, with a price of 200 PPM. And so far I have sampled around 10-12 different girls from SA and have only repeated 1 because I paid her 300 for the first time and then tried my luck with 200 and she agreed.

Hope this gives a little bit of perspective to the guys who are new to SA.

Thanks for this info. Looks like I need to be less softer in my approach.

The data isn't that extensive yet as I was focussing on one particular country that I will be travelling next year. I am looking forward to contributions, specifically I would be personally interested to find out about Istanbul, St Petersburg and Italy. All data points are appropriately referenced with links within this forum which should capacitate one to get into touch with the respective member that has experience with the destination of interest. Please advise if you find any misrepresentations.

Amazing, very useful. I see similarities and also where I'm off. Thank you, brother.

Sure, I have a different approach than most of the guys on this forum, and that is purely because of my personal limitations about how much time and how often I can spend time with girls I meet through SA. While I agree in principle on the advice "keep money and time separate" and agree that this should be the way to enjoy sugar dating to the fullest, my approach is to keep the arrangement clear.


I also have a girl who I met a couple of times now like you, and on our second meeting, she told me that I don't have to give her an amount per date. I normally try to do a whole afternoon and evening with her with a lunch and at least 4-5 hours in the room. She said that maybe she can give me her bank account, and I can just deposit money in it whenever I feel like. It would have been a good arrangement if I had the time for a monthly arrangement. Unfortunately, I don't, so to keep things simple, I only do PPMs. It works for me since I am able to take time out only maybe twice a month for SA girls (coffee or hotels).

Thanks for the insight. Helps a lot.

[WyattEarp]

The data isn't that extensive yet as I was focussing on one particular country that I will be travelling next year. I am looking forward to contributions, specifically I would be personally interested to find out about Istanbul, St Petersburg and Italy. All data points are appropriately referenced with links within this forum which should capacitate one to get into touch with the respective member that has experience with the destination of interest. Please advise if you find any misrepresentations.

EUROPE

Austria

Vienna 300 EUR for the Night.....................

Excellent summary with source links. Gives you an idea what cities are the most expensive for sugar babies. With USA Dollars, I'm intrigued by Montreal. Montreal is not an expensive city for Americans. The Quebecoise women are also more open sexually. It's also relatively easy to get to MTL.

When negotiating, you will always have to deal with the compounding effect of different ranges. First, the range for allowances. Second, does a woman who might be a 7 think she is an 8. I think many of the experienced daddies here are very good at finding attractive girls who are reasonable and modest.

[AmsBoy]

I would like to give back to this forum as I have learnt a lot about SA from the many posters here. Thanks you guys, you are doing an amazing job!

I have been on SA since March this year. I usually do not have much time to spend on SA therefore over the months I have adjusted my approach and now basically my game is to chat as less as possible on SA and move her to WhatsApp, after giving her clear indication that I am looking for intimacy. This helps me in avoiding any misunderstanding and my time being wasted. I understand that this can be bit direct for other countries, but this works in my case as I am in Netherlands and people generally here are straight forward.

Anyways, moving on. Once we are on WhatsApp, I don't waste my time beyond exchanging initial pleasantries and I mostly (90% of the time) follow up with a question "So what kind of arrangements do you usually do"? Now, there could be number of possible answers (which I don't give a fuck about) but it helps me to break the ice and perhaps have a discussion about the arrangement and the price. Once, we agree on a date and before I book a hotel, I usually have a call (this is to make sure that its not a scam, and to get a feel of the potential lay).

Now about prices, I have seen that most of the girls (aged 19-21) agree for 200 euros for 3 to 4 hours for a first date itself (no coffee, no meeting up before hotel date bullshit). In my experience, girls who are 23 and above have quoted 500 and plus, however some do come back to the line and have agreed for 250-300 (after I totally refuse or negotiate, depends on how hot the girl is). Then there is this other category of girls which after quoting 500/600 Euros, negotiate based on the time, saying that they could spend only 1 hour or 2 hours for 250 euros. I am usually not interested in them, as I get a feeling of a regular WG.

So to summarize. My highest success rate has been with girls from age 19-21, with a price of 200 PPM. And so far I have sampled around 10-12 different girls from SA and have only repeated 1 because I paid her 300 for the first time and then tried my luck with 200 and she agreed.

Hope this gives a little bit of perspective to the guys who are new to SA.

[Pessimist]

Second MW. Lovely list. Obviously everyone's personal experiences differ slightly but in cities that I have used SA services your numbers approximately match my own personal experience. I never tried the weekend arrangements in Barcelona etc and those sound like fantastic deals. I have paid 200 E for a normal meet in those places however. Generally, 200 to 250 is a good price in Europe, depending on the girl. I think my deals were at lesser amounts in TX than what your list says and 300-350 in London sounds like a great deal. Never got it. I stopped trying in London in my last couple of visits and now just enjoy the city.

Are these compiled from data points supplied on ISG or did you combine with external inputs?

Thanks again.

The data isn't that extensive yet as I was focussing on one particular country that I will be travelling next year. I am looking forward to contributions, specifically I would be personally interested to find out about Istanbul, St Petersburg and Italy. All data points are appropriately referenced with links within this forum which should capacitate one to get into touch with the respective member that has experience with the destination of interest. Please advise if you find any misrepresentations.

EUROPE

Austria

Vienna 300 EUR for the Night.

Czech Republic

Prague 300 - 350 EUR 200 EUR for the night 150 - 300 EUR...

[Midwestern]

Ailton, this is fucking awesome! I especially like the links so that we can see the post and who you got the data point from! The links are what makes this amazing. I cannot believe you did this. Please maintain this! You are awesome. You're our data guy.

The data isn't that extensive yet as I was focussing on one particular country that I will be travelling next year. I am looking forward to contributions, specifically I would be personally interested to find out about Istanbul, St Petersburg and Italy. All data points are appropriately referenced with links within this forum which should capacitate one to get into touch with the respective member that has experience with the destination of interest. Please advise if you find any misrepresentations.

EUROPE

Austria

Vienna 300 EUR for the Night.

Czech Republic

Prague 300 - 350 EUR 200 EUR for the night 150 - 300 EUR.

Germany

Berlin 300 - 350 EUR 500 EUR for the night.

Netherlands

Amsterdam 200 EUR for a couple of hours. 300 for a whole night.

Poland

Warsaw 300 - 350 EUR.

Portugal

Lisbon 150 - 200 EUR for a couple of hours to a whole night, depending on girl(targeting only top 20% of the girls, no 25+ or fat girls) 100 - 200 EUR.

Spain

Barcelona Full weekend: 300 EUR. Generally 200 - 500 EUR for a weekend. .

Ukraine

Kiev 250 USD, disputed, several data points lower than that 140 - 180 USD (4000-5000 UAH).

United Kingdom

London 300 - 350 EUR 350 Sterling.

North America

United States

Atlanta 200 - 350 USD for a solid 6 to 8.

Austin 400 - 500 USD.

Boston 300 - 350 USD.

Chicago Under 300 USD is doable.

Denver 200 USD.

Detroit 300 USD.

Houston 400 - 500 USD.

Jacksonville (FL) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9.

Las Vegas 400 USD.

LOS Angeles 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. 300 USD.

Miami 300 USD.

Milwaukee Under 300 USD is doable.

Nashville 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier..

New York City 500 USD 400 USD second tier, 500 USD first tier.

Portland 300 USD.

San Antonio 300 - 350 USD.

San Francisco 500 USD 500 USD 300 USD for exchange student.

Savannah (GA) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9.

Canada

Montreal 300 CAD.

Mexico

Mexico City 1500 - 3000 MXN, possibly 4000 MXN for high-end..

SOUTH AMERICA

Brazil

Sao Paulo 800 Rs for model quality.

Colombia

Medellin 7-8 girl 100 USD todo la noche, 8.5 - 9 girl 100 - 200 USD all day 100 USD.

Peru

Cusco 100 USD for whole weekend.

ASIA

United Arab Emirates

Dubai Depending on Tier: 400 - 800 USD.

OCEANIA

Australia

Sydney 400 - 500 AUD.

[BrizLad]

I find profiles having normal non-professional photos, at normal places and which do not mention things like "I like luxury things and want my sugar daddy to support me in blah blah blah". e.

I also steer well clear of profiles with statements like:

"I want to be spoiled."

"I want to experience what it is to live a life of luxury."

"Allowance plus shopping trips".

For me these have gotten the world the wrong way around. Certainly I have spoiled girls after they have proven themselves but I don't get any pleasure from doing it on demand.