Seeking Arrangements

[Hilo77]

In an effort to avoid any bickering back and forth, distorting the goal of the forum, I'll try to keep my opinion (bc it is just my opinion) brief.

Hilo77, my fellow monger.

You came off strong, but I'll keep it respectful. We have a stark difference of opinion.

First, you are wrong that SA girls, as a whole, are prostitutes.

So are SBs pretty much prostitutes? Yeah, some, kinda, not really, it's blurry. Would I group a regular SB together with an FKK girl or a regular escort? Hell no!

02.

Thank you for the well-written reply, it's a bit too long for me to answer the points individually but I do take exception to your implication that I did not read the forum. It was reading the forum that had me so drop-jawed in amazement.

All the points I raised related to posts made in the past 10 or so pages. Go back through them and read them if you don't believe me, it's all there, guys blowing hundreds, even thousands of dollars, others proudly proclaiming how they spend weeks lining up their dates, others admitting that they get stood up on a regular basis etc.

The levels of misty-eyed sentimentality and gullibility on display here (do I even need to draw your attention to the post just below yours?) leaves one stunned at how some of these guys even manage a checking account never mind how they got to be the successful rich captains of industry that they paint themselves as.

Perhaps you are filtering out posts that don't suit the idea of sophisticated, older men playing mentor to young, but mature girls who are just seeking to be initiated and guided by a wise and beneficent man of the world. Look that's nice, if that's what your fantasy is, have at it and more power to your elbow.

But you will forgive me if I read a lot of sad old guys with more money than sense chasing after a bunch of semi-pros (we can call them courtesans, gentlemen's companions, high class escorts or part-time models, if that makes it sound better) and getting increasingly desperate as the Holly Golightly of their dreams appears to be holding off for an extra hundred bucks or she ain't going to show when they arrive in her home town on their much-anticipated monthly mid-week business trip.

Like I say, I am sorry if I sound like I am raining on anyone's parade, if this is the fantasy world you want to create please enjoy it but be aware of who and what you are dealing with here guys. They're prostitutes, sure they're not standing on a street corner in a red PVC skirt and thigh high boots or sitting bored in a bikini in an Amsterdam shop window but that is nonetheless what they are, no matter how much you try to convince yourselves otherwise.

You are paying way over the odds to have decent sex with the sort of women people in the rest of the world can screw without complication for fifty bucks and still have a fun time (just for reference sake for $500 I think I could book a suite at the Sheraton in my town and get four semi-pro students, secretaries or bank clerks aged 19-22 and have a great evening. They can buy their own dinner on the way home).

I guess that's America for you, it's grim but such is life in the Land of the Free.

[Steve 9696]

Reading this thread with great fascination and respect for some of the titans of ISG contributing. I'm intrigued but wonder if I've aged out from using this option. If a guys is in his mid 60's (But could pass for 10 years younger) does this mean he's out of the running for many SBs? I've found on some of my mongering trips that sometimes the real young ones (18-22) turn me down. I assume that, while Dad is a fantasy, they just aren't down with blowing grandpa LOL. I have other good attributes. I've got a Dad bod but am not obese. I'm kind, intelligent, funny and most important generous if I get what I want. I'm also with Steve that the chase sounds fun. My home area is way overpriced but when I start traveling domestically I might give it a try.

Another thing, I'm finding early 20's chicas I don't really vibe with. Often more comfortable with 25-35 yo.

I get the feeling that a lot of you guys who are touting SA are 40-50's. What say you about this?

HB. Dude. So great to have you join the party. Ignore the recent trolls SA is the only worthy game in town in the USA. Especially if you like the game as I know you do. Age is manageable. 25-35% of girls age doesn't really matter much and 15% prefer significantly older. I do think hair color matters. You can be 75 and as long as your hair isn't full on gray or white they will overlook a lot of the rest. Gray hair seems to be a psychological barrier to some. Of course money overcomes many ills.

[Midwestern]

Reading this thread with great fascination and respect for some of the titans of ISG contributing. I'm intrigued but wonder if I've aged out from using this option. If a guys is in his mid 60's (But could pass for 10 years younger) does this mean he's out of the running for many SBs?

I get the feeling that a lot of you guys who are touting SA are 40-50's. What say you about this?

I am in my 50's, but I pretend to be in my 40's on SA. I do this simply because it looks like many SBs filter out guys at 50 and above. But to pull this off, you really have to look like you're whatever age that you say you are.

FWIW, I filter out SBs below 24 years old. Don't get me wrong, I love spending time in the sheets with a 19 year old, but I absolutely hate hanging out and talking with a 19 year old, because we have almost nothing in common to talk about, and given that I consider these SBs to be GFs, I want them to be at least 24 so that we can have fun together outside of the bedroom. So, maybe if you filter out the younger gals, then this puts you less out of the running.

Some of my SBs told me that they had SDs in their 60's and even 70's. But from what they told me, these older guys were not cheap. They lavished the gals with gifts, trips, and shopping. I am not saying that you have to do the same thing. I am just sharing what I was told.

[PilotPaul]

I get the feeling that a lot of you guys who are touting SA are 40-50's. What say you about this?

I am 55+.

When I'm home here in my own country I set my filters at 30-40. I get tired of being lectured by starlets that have no idea of life. Early thirties the sex is the best, 40 has been classy when their body is in good shape.

When I'm overseas in Philippines I only date 20-25 year olds.

I generally will not be seeing any girl over 140 lbs, 70 kgs regardless of age.

As I age I will continue to use money to resolve any age differences.

PP.

[Wupoer]

The discussions lately on this forum has been so good! Thanks gents!

But let us not forget that pussy is never free. Be it SA or Tinder. A man is always expected to pay usually monetarily and let's not forget cost of time.

To me, it is clear that SeekingArrangement specializes in pairing the older mature men with younger women. Older men have a lot of maturity and worldly knowledge that a younger woman could benefit from not just from his money. Both of these things can help set the young woman up on a proper trajectory in life. This is why the older man and younger woman is a more natural pairing since both have what each other needs. The opposite scenario of an older woman and younger man does *not* hold as true. The older women usually lack the physical attributes that (most) younger males could get on his own. Let's face it. Woman do *not* age typically as well as men physically. For one, the vagina takes a beating through its lifetime with childbirth being just one of the assaults a vagina endures!

Don't get me wrong. I'm on SA for pussy myself but I would offer lending hand to my young woman if she wants from my worldly and industry experience. Just as long as she satisfies my physical needs. That doesn't happen with the k-girls I see weekly. With k-girls, there are both language and cultural barriers. With k-girls its 1 HR and that's it.

[Pessimist]

Reading this thread with great fascination and respect for some of the titans of ISG contributing. I'm intrigued but wonder if I've aged out from using this option. If a guys is in his mid 60's (But could pass for 10 years younger) does this mean he's out of the running for many SBs? I've found on some of my mongering trips that sometimes the real young ones (18-22) turn me down. I assume that, while Dad is a fantasy, they just aren't down with blowing grandpa LOL. I have other good attributes. I've got a Dad bod but am not obese. I'm kind, intelligent, funny and most important generous if I get what I want. I'm also with Steve that the chase sounds fun. My home area is way overpriced but when I start traveling domestically I might give it a try.

Another thing, I'm finding early 20's chicas I don't really vibe with. Often more comfortable with 25-35 yo.

I get the feeling that a lot of you guys who are touting SA are 40-50's. What say you about this?

Hi HB,

I am younger than you. So, I can't speak with any certainty related to older men. I will say though that at least some girls will be open minded. You should give it a try. You are saying anyway that you are looking for 25-35 age group. By that age, especially 30+, many girls have taken some hard knocks in life, are realistic. Some may be single moms, some may be stuck in low end jobs like receptionists, etc. These past months have been tough for many girls. They are looking for help. As long as you are kind, intelligent, not too pushy / clingy, normal, you will have a good amount of success. You are old enough that you will not be cheated, you can spot the scammers, you will not get too emotionally attached. Be patient, don't be too conscious of your age. It is only in your head, the girl is likewise inwardly focused and wondering if she is attractive enough for you because she knows you may have other choices.

Being in a overpriced city is unfortunate. Decide beforehand what your budget range is and stay patient and disciplined.

And please do tune out the naysayers and nabobs of negativity from here. A couple of recent posters were rude, clueless and I doubt very much that they had any experience whatsoever with real arrangements to be posting any sensible comments. I have been doing this for 4+ years, have been in arrangements with several dozens of girls / women and by and large they were nice, positive and fulfilling and I am quite positive that they were not with prostitutes. I have only pity for fools who think they know anything about me, the girls I had been with, to be making blanket claims about all guys and girls on a site that has millions of members of both genders. Safely ignore them, give it a try, and stay disciplined most importantly.

[Njoean197]

Planning a trip to Mexico for late June, I want to try the SA route in Cancun to start. Another member recommended I meet girls on SA from CDMX and invite them to stay with me in Cancun for a few days. I speak horrible Spanish. Is this doable? If CDMX opens up, I also want to spend a few days there as well. Any thoughts on how easy or hard it is to pull from SA? Any thoughts or opinions would be appreciated.

[HarvestBoi]

Reading this thread with great fascination and respect for some of the titans of ISG contributing. I'm intrigued but wonder if I've aged out from using this option. If a guys is in his mid 60's (But could pass for 10 years younger) does this mean he's out of the running for many SBs? I've found on some of my mongering trips that sometimes the real young ones (18-22) turn me down. I assume that, while Dad is a fantasy, they just aren't down with blowing grandpa LOL. I have other good attributes. I've got a Dad bod but am not obese. I'm kind, intelligent, funny and most important generous if I get what I want. I'm also with Steve that the chase sounds fun. My home area is way overpriced but when I start traveling domestically I might give it a try.

Another thing, I'm finding early 20's chicas I don't really vibe with. Often more comfortable with 25-35 yo.

I get the feeling that a lot of you guys who are touting SA are 40-50's. What say you about this?

[LshRoomer]

For sure, but as I am not paying upwards of a grand to sleep with her in between the free sex she's giving deadbeat jock it kinda doesn't bother me who else she's banging.

Furthermore as I haven't spent weeks desperately trying to convince her what a great guy I am so she will be nice to me and let me give her money, I actually don't care about the fact that she thinks more highly of the guy who doesn't give her money and expects her to screw him for free.

The fact that a wh () re thinks I am a first class asshole has never bothered me, but if I had spent weeks and hundreds of dollars to convince her I was a nice guy it might hurt a bit.

In an effort to avoid any bickering back and forth, distorting the goal of the forum, I'll try to keep my opinion (bc it is just my opinion) brief.

Hilo77, my fellow monger.

You came off strong, but I'll keep it respectful. We have a stark difference of opinion.

First, you are wrong that SA girls, as a whole, are prostitutes.

With that being said, I do realize that under the strict definition of prostitute (money for sex), then they would be considered as such. And I think that was your larger point. If you are paying, just like a prostitute, then why would you go through all this work with chatting, getting to know her, and drinking with her, just to do the same action that comes 10 x easier at a brothel. This is a good point, which has been discussed in this forum at least 100 times. If you RTFF, you would easily see that one of the purposes of this forum was to discuss another avenue that doesn't include the local brothel or FKK club. So I'm not sure why someone would go to a forum focused on eating carbs (for example) and start to deride the contributors for sharing pasta, cake and bread recipes!

Dude, RTFF. No one here is recommending to drop thousands for a good night out, or to pay these chicks before you meet or bang them, or to pay too much. We are saying the exact opposite. It's funny to me when people have opinions from something out of context, when all you have to do is RTFF. Recommendations have been to avoid chatting too long with a new SA girl before meeting, minimizing the effort pre-bang, so I'm not sure where you get your comment about spending weeks trying to convince. We have been suggesting to keep yourself safe, don't allow these chicks to scam you, guard your identity, get the most out of your experience (this is why all of us including you, are here) and avoid anyone that even resembles a pro. Midwestern made a good point. We are pointing out the techniques to find good performers for GFE.

It appears that you are viewing the hobby from a singular perspective (bust and go), while ridiculing those that behave counter to what you perceive as "the best way" to enjoy the hobby. If the guys here, including me, are having a fucking great time, for cheap (yes cheap. About 40/ hour, maybe less) and sometimes free, then the goal has been met. Not going to entertain your jock comments. Those were funny though. Not to beat the dead horse but before you go tell everyone they are doing it wrong, RTFF and get context.

Cost. Thousands? WTF are you talking about? Your opinion is misguided again. In EU, I'd be paying 150 and up per hour (maybe less for incall) for a regular escort (cold, mechanical, banged 10 guys that day). I don't' know about you but I want to bust 3 nuts at least, without being rushed. I'll easily chill with a SB for 6-8 hours for 300 eu (sometimes less or none). This is approximately 37 eu per hour. You can't get that cheap at an FKK. You may attempt to add in the cost of dinners, hookah lounges, skybars, and drinks, etc. I can't speak for the other guys, but I would be at these places anyway, with or without the girl, so it's not an added expense. For what many of us are looking for, we are probably paying less than you!

The experience. This the biggest deal for me. I'm all about GFE. Bust a nut and go doesn't appeal to me, doesn't float my boat, and I simply don't like it. I think I speak for many of the guys here, but I hated the cold encounters, scams, mechanical sex, clock watching, and the general aloofness that comes along when dealing with escorts / prostitutes. GFE is difficult to find consistently with prostitutes, if at all. There are some. I have a few escorts that I still use that provide great services, but this is not common and probably based somewhat on rapport. If you don't want GFE, then the sugar bowl probably isn't for you. SBs give those who want GFE on demand (when traveling, etc) a viable, more consistent option. Some may even bang without exchanging money, which again shits on your "they are all prostitutes" comment. The little bit of time that you take to get to know your SB (usually about a few days) before your outing will almost guarantee (there are exceptions) you a GFE session. Subsequent visits may be cheap, will be more relaxed, and from what I've seen, become more enjoyable. I personally have met girls on SA that I haven't paid at all and still banged. I implore you to show me a prostitute willing to do this.

Ignoring the other comments. Look dude. We all get sex from many venues. Home, on the road, wherever. Some paid. Some free. Some an exchange (I did IT work one time for a CIF BJ. LOL). Some people are into fetishes. Some are vanilla. Everyone swims in their own lane. I want GFE without a relationship (don't have time for that) and it needs to be somewhat real and consistent. That's what my search is for and this forum has been helpful in that regard. If I were a brothel guy, my aim would be different. I personally don't see how brothel guys bang a girl that just finished with another guy, and you see that guy walking away? But, it's not for me to judge. It's my preference. Let those guys have their fun. For me, SBs are a waaaay better use of my funds. 200 - 300 ensures a whole night full of fun, when I don't' have time to court a normal girl. So are SBs pretty much prostitutes? Yeah, some, kinda, not really, it's blurry. Would I group a regular SB together with an FKK girl or a regular escort? Hell no!

02.

[Big Boss Man]

For me, there is more to it than just the sex. I have been watching movies about artists and models. Specifically how a young woman can be a muse and reignite passions in an older man. The two movies that the 22-year old and I both had watched were "La Belle Noiseuse" and "Breakfast at Tiffany's". She understood her role. She was able to compare herself to Holly Golightly and tell me how she was different. During the Covid-19 pandemic, I have been taking a writing class. In fact, I wrote a short story about our first meeting. I submitted it for publication already. In the story, I compare her to a gypsy in one paragraph. So even the scammer part of her is intriguing to me. I recognized it immediately. For me, I have to feel like a fool to be able to write about it. How many guys here have been made a fool by a beautiful woman? Don't we all have a Bezukhov pursuing a Helene story in our lives?

Like I told her, it would have been easier to meet her in her own country where there are legal brothels. There I could go get my rocks off and then take her to dinner and have a conversation. Of course, she is not going to go to dinner with a man forty-five years her senior just because she enjoys it. At least, I don't think she would. On the other hand, I don't want to pay for her education without a sexual component. So we came to an impasse.

[DramaFree11]

Hilo, normally I wouldn't respond to a such a rant, but you put some thought into your screed, so I thought I'd reply.

On SA, there are gals that provide GF experiences that are much better than regular prostitutes, and some gals that provide hellish experiences much worse than regular prostitutes. In this thread, we are merely discussing on how to find the former. That's all.

I hooked up with 24-25 SBs, and this is out of about 50-60 meet-and-greets. None of them were prostitutes. Zero. No exaggeration. You might think I got fooled by some of them, but I didn't. Half of the 24-25 never even asked me for a dime. My SBs included a law student, an accountant, a restaurant owner, a Berkeley undergrad, a PhD student, a website designer, a stage hand, a recent divorcee, several people starting a new business, etc. They weren't lying. We talked about all this shit while we were shooting whisky or drinking wine. We all know there are young gals that are into older and successful guys. How else are we going to easily make the connection, other than via SA? Many of these SBs genuinely liked me. Again, I wasn't fooled. I can tell when a gal really likes me. But there definitely are prostitutes on SA and other undesirables, but we mostly try to avoid them. They are pretty easy to spot.

BTW, no one ever said we were giving up prostitutes to find SBs. While I was active on SA, I continued to sleep with prostitutes on a weekly basis.

Sorry, I have to disagree girls on SA are definitely prostitutes. They may be slightly higher classes. Remember most everyone on the site is lying in one form or another and it is definitely transactional.

Have to disagree with you on this one.

[Hilo77]

Hilo, normally I wouldn't respond to a such a rant, but you put some thought into your screed, so I thought I'd reply.

On SA, there are gals that provide GF experiences that are much better than regular prostitutes, and some gals that provide hellish experiences much worse than regular prostitutes. In this thread, we are merely discussing on how to find the former. That's all.

I hooked up with 24-25 SBs, and this is out of about 50-60 meet-and-greets. None of them were prostitutes. Zero. No exaggeration. You might think I got fooled by some of them, but I didn't. Half of the 24-25 never even asked me for a dime. My SBs included a law student, an accountant, a restaurant owner, a Berkeley undergrad, a PhD student, a website designer, a stage hand, a recent divorcee, several people starting a new business, etc. They weren't lying. We talked about all this shit while we were shooting whisky or drinking wine. We all know there are young gals that are into older and successful guys. How else are we going to easily make the connection, other than via SA? Many of these SBs genuinely liked me. Again, I wasn't fooled. I can tell when a gal really likes me. But there definitely are prostitutes on SA and other undesirables, but we mostly try to avoid them. They are pretty easy to spot.

BTW, no one ever said we were giving up prostitutes to find SBs. While I was active on SA, I continued to sleep with prostitutes on a weekly basis.

Fair enough, so you use it as a dating site to meet a better class of girlfriend, most of us would use Tinder for that and not expect to pay to screw the dates, but each to his own.

But at the end of the day you have not contradicted anything I have said, the SBs have made it clear by the very fact that they are on SA that they view the relationships they seek as transactional. They are looking for "older and successful" guys (you are one of these presumably) to have sex with and to get paid for doing so. Sure they are intelligent lasses, they know how to stroke "older and successful" guys' egos and will never say that outright, but the fact that they are on SA is a pretty big neon flashing sign.

I can tell that you are not so naive as to believe you are the only "older and successful" guy that these recent divorcees and Berkely undergrads are shooting wine and whiskey with. You are cool with that, you enjoy the GFE while having your ego stroked, that's nice. I enjoy it when I am in a brothel and the h**ker pretends like she is my girfriend for the hour, it's a bonus if it happens and she'll get a nice tip at the end of it.

The fact remains, however, that you are paying a hell of a lot of money and going through huge efforts to sleep with (ok, semi) prostitutes, and that just amazes me.

But like I say, each to their own.

[Hilo77]

Hey,


But in all fairness: professional wh () res have deadbeat, jock losers too, LOL.

For sure, but as I am not paying upwards of a grand to sleep with her in between the free sex she's giving deadbeat jock it kinda doesn't bother me who else she's banging.

Furthermore as I haven't spent weeks desperately trying to convince her what a great guy I am so she will be nice to me and let me give her money, I actually don't care about the fact that she thinks more highly of the guy who doesn't give her money and expects her to screw him for free.

The fact that a wh () re thinks I am a first class asshole has never bothered me, but if I had spent weeks and hundreds of dollars to convince her I was a nice guy it might hurt a bit.

[Midwestern]

Look guys, these "SBs" of which you speak are prostitutes, very expensive prostitutes and prostitutes that play hard to get and take a lot of time and effort to have sex with, you know what that makes them? Very bad prostitutes.

Hilo, normally I wouldn't respond to a such a rant, but you put some thought into your screed, so I thought I'd reply.

On SA, there are gals that provide GF experiences that are much better than regular prostitutes, and some gals that provide hellish experiences much worse than regular prostitutes. In this thread, we are merely discussing on how to find the former. That's all.

I hooked up with 24-25 SBs, and this is out of about 50-60 meet-and-greets. None of them were prostitutes. Zero. No exaggeration. You might think I got fooled by some of them, but I didn't. Half of the 24-25 never even asked me for a dime. My SBs included a law student, an accountant, a restaurant owner, a Berkeley undergrad, a PhD student, a website designer, a stage hand, a recent divorcee, several people starting a new business, etc. They weren't lying. We talked about all this shit while we were shooting whisky or drinking wine. We all know there are young gals that are into older and successful guys. How else are we going to easily make the connection, other than via SA? Many of these SBs genuinely liked me. Again, I wasn't fooled. I can tell when a gal really likes me. But there definitely are prostitutes on SA and other undesirables, but we mostly try to avoid them. They are pretty easy to spot.

BTW, no one ever said we were giving up prostitutes to find SBs. While I was active on SA, I continued to sleep with prostitutes on a weekly basis.

[PilotPaul]

Do you feel good knowing that after you pay hundreds of dollars to fcuk them they go home and share the money with the sort of deadbeat, jock losers that used to bully you at school? Is this some sort of reverse revenge thing going on?

For me I know that SA provides me with better 'bang' for my mongering buck. My current girl sticks around for 4 hours of sexual activity for $300 whereas a similar professional would be asking $2,000. On my business trips where I have take a SB for a set weekly fee of $700 and had a sexual companion for 7 nights.