Seeking Arrangements

[NapataJohn]

You're not doing it right. Sending a woman money before you've met her is not a good idea. Paying for an expensive, nonrefundable plane ticket before you meet is not a good idea.

I saw a SB in another city a few times, we clicked really well, so I paid for a ticket for her to a destination in the Caribbean. She ghosted, and I would have been out the price of the ticket if her flight hadn't been delayed, which allowed me to cancel with no penalty. That's not going to happen to me again.

Better to go to her home town and then fly with her from there.

[Nounce]

...just spread those legs wide and you are all set.

Just tried it and it worked well. LOL But by any chance that you practice yoga?

[Tiny 12]

I have been in contact with girls from Moldova and Russia recently.

Basically I lost a lot of money. It was during Corona lock down in spring and I wanted build up a connection for the time after corona.

The girl from Russia (21 year old medical student) needed money for medical school, then the car crashed and she needed money for that. Then we prepared for a trip to Dubai in summer. I paid her plane tickets. Money for her to get the passport faster. In the end she canceled 3 days ahead because she was ill. Total damage 4000.

The other girl from Moldova received monthly payments of about 200-300. Also I had sent some clothes and received pictures of her wearing those in return.

I booked her a flight to visit me in Germany and waited three hours at the airport but she would never arrive. Total damage her 1500 or so over time.

Its a disaster and I am happy the German FKK clubs are open again.

I lost trust in SA and can not imagine this actually works in Germany and Czech / Moldova / Russia.

You're not doing it right. Sending a woman money before you've met her is not a good idea. Paying for an expensive, nonrefundable plane ticket before you meet is not a good idea.

I saw a SB in another city a few times, we clicked really well, so I paid for a ticket for her to a destination in the Caribbean. She ghosted, and I would have been out the price of the ticket if her flight hadn't been delayed, which allowed me to cancel with no penalty. That's not going to happen to me again.

[SamPeter71]

I am at Bogota for a week and want to find good SA contacts. Thanks in advance.

I could share a few SA contacts with you to get you started, but you need to upgrade your membership in order to receive or send PMs here.

SA in MDE is very though, you can read my recent posts in which I complain a lot LOL.

[Steve 9696]

So here locally the Hyatt has become my go to and I've taken a handful of girls there, several on a regular basis. Probably been there 20+ times over the past year or so. The desk clerks rotate a lot and I've probably only had the same one twice.

Checking in (with Uma nearby) earlier this week the new clerk is looking at the screen and says "oh I'm just reading the notes here. I guess you know how all this works since you stay with us often. ".

I can only imagine what the notes say:

Comes in often with no luggage and a bottle of wine.

Seems to have a different girl every time.

Never stays overnight.

Bedding is never turned down but the bed spread is quite wrinkled.

Usually leaves alcohol and wet towels behind.

Only the occasional condom wrapper.

Great guy and clearly doing us a favor paying overnight rates for 3 hours of room time. Treat him well!

[JohnIsFun]

Had a great date with Uma earlier this week. Took her to an awesome speakeasy for some great food and drinks and then of course playtime. We spent the vast majority of our bedroom time doing what I am going to call the Steve 2. It is totally a fave but whenever I do it it seems like the girl has never done it before. So I am curious any of you tried / like this position:

You lay her on her back and kneel by her head. Turn her head towards your dick and have her suck your cock. Meanwhile reach down between her legs with your free hand and finger her. Optionally massage a breast with the other hand.

For me, fingering pussy while being blown is just a top notch thing. And there is no better position than this. It's dominant, she has amazing mouth access to both the boys and the shaft, and you don't have to contort to slips those fingers in her pussy. We musta done this for 20 minutes at least maybe more. The girls seem to love having a cock in their mouth and being fingered at same time.

Haha I have never tried the Steve 2 position. But I enjoy fingering while being blown. My go to position is me lying down on my back on a pillow. The girl lays sideways and takes the dick with the hand and mouth. She slides her bottom closet to me towards the pillow so I can reach her pussy. From my experience must girls love their clit and pussy touched and fingered while the tongue is all over my dick. But it's been a long time between drinks because of covid. I have also tried with the girl lying down on her back and me more like kneeling position with knees either side of her face. But this position is not so comfortable to finger as you have to twist to reach the pussy.

[Nounce]

... Just spread those legs wide and you are all set.

Thanks, I may have another opportunity to try it tonight. Had a date with the same girl tonight but her unattractive friend interfered and wanted to tag alone so not sure what is going to happen yet.

[Steve 9696]

I tried it yesterday. This is my observation. I was on her right hand side. I had to put two pillows under her head to adjust the height. She used her left hand while sucking which made touching her breast difficult. What improvement should I make to make this work better?

Dude you totally made my day trying this out! Key is you have to spread your legs wide. You are on your knees yes but legs spread wide. So your dick is only 6" off the mattress. That should do the trick. Wouldn't worry the breast too much. That's just a bonus and frankly only just discovered it myself. Key is you can finger her while being blown. That's the magic imo. Love that you gave it a go. Just spread those legs wide and you are all set.

[Nounce]

...Anyone else a fan of the Steve 2?

I tried it yesterday. This is my observation. I was on her right hand side. I had to put two pillows under her head to adjust the height. She used her left hand while sucking which made touching her breast difficult. What improvement should I make to make this work better?

[Steve 9696]

Have you guys seen the rates for seeking arrangement?

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...037&viewfull=1#post2512037.

It says 300 CAD for a date on seeking arrangement.

It actually could be 300-400 CAD.

On a standard seeking arrangement date you may meet the girl in your apartment get to know each other for 30 minutes then possibly have sex if both parties agree and then talk again for another 30 minutes. So you could expect 2 to 3 hours.

I'm just trying to slowly demonstrate to you guys that it's not always necessary to pay 1500 for 4 hours.

Also I know of Montral escorts that have taken trips through Canada and worldwide vacation destination with their clients. And they would never go on trips with a client that they don't trust. The client most naturally also has to be The escort's friend. They are hanging out and spending time together. And friendship implies trust.

Also I'm very well aware that they are certain individuals that pay 1500 cad. The last guy when a girl told me that he paid that much received actually the entire day. But these guys are definitely very generous. And if they took time to get to know the scene they could get more for the money. I think most of these guys are not locals. You definitely have to be a local to receive better pricing.

I'm not saying guy should be cheap. It usually the most generous guys who receive generosity from the escort. But there are some guys that pay outrageous prices and don't get what they could be getting.

Not sure who you were addressing this to. There is no guy on this forum paying 1500 for four hours. The guys here in the Seeking thread def know the game. 300-400 Sounds about right to me. US is similar. Sure girls ask 800-1000 and they get instablocked by me and the others here I am sure. Heck Elvis says don't pay them at all. LOL.

I have recently taken to treating girls I like more like a girlfriend and buying her stuff without considering it part of the "transaction". I'm viewing the PPM as the incentive for her to overlook our 30 year age difference but otherwise treat her like your girl (this is regulars and girls I spend or have spent the weekend with). Some boots. A skirt. Whatever makes their day. Logos. A website. LOL. It's really small change and the best part is that I do it because I WANT to. And guess what they give me the best experience ever after that. But it's because it's non transactional that it works so well. I expect exactly ZERO in return. But I always get way more than that.

[Gfefan]

I had this awesome SB (more like a FWB, than a SA-SB) who has started to go cold recently. And is 30+ and is now talking about missing out on having family etc. Well, it is up to her. As I see signs of her going cold sooner than later, I got back on SA and started scouting. Spoke to a few, and met with two.

S is another 30+ year old but super fit. Her legs are particularly toned which I like. We chatted for a bit on SA and then soon moved to Telegram. Fixed a meet and greet. We met at this Italian place, had some food and drinks. She was very skeptical at first but towards the end of it, I could see that she was warming up. When it came time to take her, she said she has an appointment to walk the dog of her friend. I assumed it was her polite way of saying no. I went back and started my work. But, I had a message from her that she is done with her dog walk and can come over now. I said, sure. Why not?

She came over, we chatted for a bit, finished up a bottle of Rose and things started heating up. Some kisses, some fondling, and eventually managed to slip my hands under her bra. Very firm tits. And natural. Just the way I like it. As our kisses got wetter and wetter, I carried her to the bed. Undid her panties and dived straight down. Smelled and tasted good. I could feel her wetness. And, we were ready for the act. This is where things did not go as I would have liked. She refused even a BJ uncovered. I hate it with condom and have difficulty getting it up. Somehow, we managed and after a lot of effort from her side, and half erect on my side, I managed to slide it in. While the sex itself lasted for nearly 15/20 minutes, I was still not satisfied as I did not even get a BBBJ. I'm not going to repeat her unless she agrees to a BBBJ at the minimum.

Su is a 25 year old. She is my first in the 25 or less category (I normally find it that the younger the chick, the more the focus is on money, gifts. I'm not against giving them what they want but if that becomes the primary point of concern, it takes the fun away). We met for a dinner and all went well. We had chemistry but decided not to do the deed. We again met for a lunch as she was short of money (signs of a 20+ year old behavior) for some repairs on her car. While the car repair is true (I picked her up from where it broke), I did not like the fact that she was laying that as a way to get money. I gave her 200 but again. No action. I see this as a calculated investment as I'm willing to bet sooner or later this one will be on my bed. She seems OK with BBBJ and CIM which will make this one a much more attractive option than S. But, if her talk of 'money' continues, I will not hesitate to pull the plug. 200 bucks is not a great deal to let go.

[Android2987]

Have you guys seen the rates for seeking arrangement?

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...037&viewfull=1#post2512037.

It says 300 CAD for a date on seeking arrangement.

It actually could be 300-400 CAD.

On a standard seeking arrangement date you may meet the girl in your apartment get to know each other for 30 minutes then possibly have sex if both parties agree and then talk again for another 30 minutes. So you could expect 2 to 3 hours.

I'm just trying to slowly demonstrate to you guys that it's not always necessary to pay 1500 for 4 hours.

Also I know of Montréal escorts that have taken trips through Canada and worldwide vacation destination with their clients. And they would never go on trips with a client that they don't trust. The client most naturally also has to be The escort's friend. They are hanging out and spending time together. And friendship implies trust.

Also I'm very well aware that they are certain individuals that pay 1500 cad. The last guy when a girl told me that he paid that much received actually the entire day. But these guys are definitely very generous. And if they took time to get to know the scene they could get more for the money. I think most of these guys are not locals. You definitely have to be a local to receive better pricing.

I'm not saying guy should be cheap. It usually the most generous guys who receive generosity from the escort. But there are some guys that pay outrageous prices and don't get what they could be getting.

[DramaFree11]

I have been in contact with girls from Moldova and Russia recently.

Basically I lost a lot of money. It was during Corona lock down in spring and I wanted build up a connection for the time after corona.

The girl from Russia (21 year old medical student) needed money for medical school, then the car crashed and she needed money for that. Then we prepared for a trip to Dubai in summer. I paid her plane tickets. Money for her to get the passport faster. In the end she canceled 3 days ahead because she was ill. Total damage 4000.

The other girl from Moldova received monthly payments of about 200-300. Also I had sent some clothes and received pictures of her wearing those in return.

I booked her a flight to visit me in Germany and waited three hours at the airport but she would never arrive. Total damage her 1500 or so over time.

Its a disaster and I am happy the German FKK clubs are open again.

This has nothing to do with SA. This is very bad judgment.

I must admit I have attempted to fly a girls to meet me a couple of times, it usually does not end well. Sending money to girls you have not met in person, this will end in disaster 99.9% of the time. Use common sense, try not to make the same mistake twice, do not trust,(until trust is earned), and always verify. (I need to also practice what I preach, I still get caught up in the moment and make bad decisions.)

[Steve 9696]

Had a great date with Uma earlier this week. Took her to an awesome speakeasy for some great food and drinks and then of course playtime. We spent the vast majority of our bedroom time doing what I am going to call the Steve 2. It is totally a fave but whenever I do it it seems like the girl has never done it before. So I am curious any of you tried / like this position:

You lay her on her back and kneel by her head. Turn her head towards your dick and have her suck your cock. Meanwhile reach down between her legs with your free hand and finger her. Optionally massage a breast with the other hand.

For me, fingering pussy while being blown is just a top notch thing. And there is no better position than this. It's dominant, she has amazing mouth access to both the boys and the shaft, and you don't have to contort to slips those fingers in her pussy. We musta done this for 20 minutes at least maybe more. The girls seem to love having a cock in their mouth and being fingered at same time.

Anyone else a fan of the Steve 2?

[Oneminuteboy]

Sorry to hear about your experience.

General rule is to never give money or gifts before meeting.

It works in Czech.