Seeking Arrangements

[Pessimist]

Steve, man, you know I mean you no disrespect when I say this, as you and I go a long way back, but I have to say that SA is not worth it when looking for a one-nighter on the road.

First, finding a match on SA takes a very long time. Second, they flake on the first date often. This is just not worth it if I am on a business trip for a few nights. I previously tried this a lot on my trips to FL, MA, WA, Vegas, OR, MO, KS, MI, IL, NY, CO, GA, etc. And I only got lucky once (I almost got lucky twice, but when she figured out that it was a one-off, she bailed just before we were supposed to meet).

If you say that I need to spend more time on sealing the deal to ensure she shows up, then I won't argue against it, but then the extra prep time makes it even less worthwhile for me. Also, what kind of SA gals are agreeing to one-offs? They have to be semi-pros, man, and that's not what people are generally looking for on SA, as you know.

I just wanted to put this out there, for noobs to SA, so that they are not under the impression that SA is an easy place to find hookups when on the road. If you're looking for hookups on the road, then my go-to is rub maps. Is that still a thing in the USA, or did that get shut down?

Anyway, like I said at the beginning, I mean no offense, Steve. Just wanted to put a different opinion out there, for discussion.

Hi MW,

I have a slightly different take from you. As you said, I also mean no disrespect. You are the founder of this particular thread after all, and in general I have found you to be very respectful, experienced, genuine, overall nice person. Not a common set of traits on internet.

I agree with you that it takes a long time to close the deal with SA girls. So, in that sense, it is not an easy thing to find one nighter deals when on the road.

On the other hand, there are some puts and takes in this matter.

First, the hotel is paid for, if it is a business trip. I don't know about others, but being a married man, I most certainly don't meet my sugarbabes at my own home, ever. I meet them at a rented hotel room 80-90% of the time, and occasionally some sugar babes allowed me to fuck them on their own beds. This is in my home town. So, when on the road, a hotel room is already covered. Which means my budget is extended a bit more.

You can start talking to the girls in the city you will be visiting well before you get there. Ideally, one week prior to when you land is a good start. If you ping up a girl in the target city a month from now, and she says "Ok, I like you, do you want to meet tomorrow?" and you reply "well, no, I will be there in a month", she will say "why the fuck are you wasting my time so far in advance". A week is enough time, and if you hit up enough number of girls, you will have at least 5 to 7 good leads. Then it is a matter of settling details.

It also depends on how free are your nights in the target city. If say, you have a lot of business dinners, you will arrive in your hotel room late in the evening. Then the most you can hope for is just a fuck session, no "get to know each other meet and greet dinner first". If she is less good looking than I and her pictures, or something else does not check out well, you have less chance to back out. For me, a huge benefit of meet and greet dinner is to evaluate for myself if I want to go ahead with the girl or if I want to gracefully back out.

(Another reason I like meet and greets. It gives a sense of some thing more than a pure sex for money feel. I am always a bit leery of LE, and like to surround all my fuck sessions with something more than just sex. At least in my mind, if I meet once or twice before the sex for dinners and drinks or even a movie, then it can be argued that it is something of a normal life type. Anyway, I rationalize it as such, I could be wrong.).

Now, one thing that does work in your favor when on the road: you can come straight to the point and tell her that you are in town for just a couple of nights. The girl will know it is a serious deal, that you are not beating around the Bush. Remember, many girls say several guys flake out as well. I. e. Guys keep stringing them that they will meet but never meet, or if they meet they keep wanting endless meets before a sex session that leads to money payment to the girl. Secondly, your hotel room if you are in town for business is likely to be better than motel 6 and girls like that. It will feel much better to be meeting the girl at a Hilton or even a Marriott than road side motel. (That said, if it is my own dime and if it is a just a two hour sex session, I will not rent a Hilton just to impress the girl). So, the girls who are actually serious SBs and needing money quickly will agree to the terms and will meet you. Remember, if they flake out, you didnot lose much because the hotel room is already paid for, and not by you!

My problem is that I live in a relatively less expensive part of the country and when I travel for business I visit the bigger expensive cities like Boston, NYC, SF etc. Obviously sugar babes in my home town are less expensive than in these money pits. So, I am always a bit leery about "do I really want to shell out 100 to 200 more for the same quality girl"? I am normally disciplined, and if I find good deals I will take them otherwise it is a pass. But never in a desperation or hurry to fuck. One exception is when I travel on business to South East, particularly to Florida. I have found reasonably good deals in Miami, Ft Laud area, also Tampa. Yet to test Orlando and Jax. Atlanta was reasonably good also.

I also had better luck in Europe than in US. Not surprisingly European chicks cost less and give more (BLS, endless amounts of kissing, occasional bareback). However, in Germany I always use Fkks, especially in Frankfurt and NRW.

Still, I will say, 80% of my sugar babe hunting is in my home city, and I am lucky it is a big enough region and yet not too expensive. So, there are plenty of good looking sugar babes and their expectations are not too inflated.

[Midwestern]

On this "she is not real till you meet her" and "meetups are everything" line of thinking I have to disagree. Since 90% of my meetups are one night in a distant town I have to KNOW going in that she is everything I believe her to be and that we are going to the room that night not some future night because I won't be there!

Steve, man, you know I mean you no disrespect when I say this, as you and I go a long way back, but I have to say that SA is not worth it when looking for a one-nighter on the road.

First, finding a match on SA takes a very long time. Second, they flake on the first date often. This is just not worth it if I am on a business trip for a few nights. I previously tried this a lot on my trips to FL, MA, WA, Vegas, OR, MO, KS, MI, IL, NY, CO, GA, etc. And I only got lucky once (I almost got lucky twice, but when she figured out that it was a one-off, she bailed just before we were supposed to meet).

If you say that I need to spend more time on sealing the deal to ensure she shows up, then I won't argue against it, but then the extra prep time makes it even less worthwhile for me. Also, what kind of SA gals are agreeing to one-offs? They have to be semi-pros, man, and that's not what people are generally looking for on SA, as you know.

I just wanted to put this out there, for noobs to SA, so that they are not under the impression that SA is an easy place to find hookups when on the road. If you're looking for hookups on the road, then my go-to is rub maps. Is that still a thing in the USA, or did that get shut down?

Anyway, like I said at the beginning, I mean no offense, Steve. Just wanted to put a different opinion out there, for discussion.

[Pessimist]

Really?

So do you put in your SA profile that you're 6'6" corporate executive? Your profile photo and albums show you leaned against one of your Ferraris in front of your beach side villa or mega yacht?

But guys at that level probably don't need to be on SA. Or they hire a "Booker" or agent to get girls for them. That's what I'd do. So when I get back from work or that stressful business negotiation, there's already a fine ass bikini model ready for me to release my stresses in her preferably in all three holes. Time is so precious at that level of wealth!

Unfortunately, this is what most girls think that SD are isn't it?

"This is what most girls think that SD are isn't it?

I don't think so.

It seems like that is what some men posting here on ISG think about the mindset of most girls on SA.

I think many girls on SA are reasonably realistic. I caveat this observation with the disclaimer that I personally had between 50 to 100 arrangements and physically met some more girls for drink / dinner etc but which did not progress to a real arrangement. Considering that SA has several million girls, I have not sampled even a very small fraction of 1%, and of course mine is also a biased sample with criteria that works for me (white girls, in the 20's, slim body / pretty face, in my locational vicinity).

Anyway, being realistic, they know many men lie. Many also know there are far fewer super rich people than claim to be. A few girls even have such lines in their profile as "I know most of you men are as broke as my 20 year old girl friends" (LOL). But it is also true they know your money is not their money, that you are not going to get married or anything, and they just want a guy who will show upon time, is not a crazy maniac who will assault them, is able to give them the $500 they agreed on, and they would much rather have a guy who will give $500 per meet than $200 (where I live) And the entire point of spending endless hours on SA is to see those hot pretty girls who will put out for 200 and not have to shell out 500. If I am willing to spend 500, I don't need to spend as much time sifting through profiles, chatting endlessly and so on.

[Steve 9696]

Really?

So do you put in your SA profile that you're 6'6" corporate executive? Your profile photo and albums show you leaned against one of your Ferraris in front of your beach side villa or mega yacht?

But guys at that level probably don't need to be on SA. Or they hire a "Booker" or agent to get girls for them. That's what I'd do. So when I get back from work or that stressful business negotiation, there's already a fine ass bikini model ready for me to release my stresses in her preferably in all three holes. Time is so precious at that level of wealth!

Unfortunately, this is what most girls think that SD are isn't it?

I really think it's a mix. My profile is mostly real. I hedge my age and height down a bit as do my net worth. And the city is nearby fiction but for the most part it's pretty accurate. Saves unnecessary cycles. Most girls I've been with their profile is pretty accurate. But remember I like very real girls so there is probably a correlation there.

On this "she is not real till you meet her" and "meetups are everything" line of thinking I have to disagree. Since 90% of my meetups are one night in a distant town I have to KNOW going in that she is everything I believe her to be and that we are going to the room that night not some future night because I won't be there!

So far I believe I am 95% on target. Twice I've found a girl to be a bit heavier than I thought. But other than that all the personality have been spot on with the online vibe and the progression to the room natural and spectacular. To me the online vibe is the key to the whole affair. Again tho this could be because I need to date and close in a single night.

[DramaFree11]

Really?

So do you put in your SA profile that you're 6'6" corporate executive? Your profile photo and albums show you leaned against one of your Ferraris in front of your beach side villa or mega yacht?

But guys at that level probably don't need to be on SA. Or they hire a "Booker" or agent to get girls for them. That's what I'd do. So when I get back from work or that stressful business negotiation, there's already a fine ass bikini model ready for me to release my stresses in her preferably in all three holes. Time is so precious at that level of wealth!

Unfortunately, this is what most girls think that SD are isn't it?

My Profile is mostly correct. Also, I do not read there profiles, I will figure everything out in text messages and VideoChats. Made a mistake of not doing that in MTY this weekend, caused some issues. Moving forward no VideoChat no meeting. Time is money.

[Wupoer]

I place zero emphasis on the profile. I know that my profile is fiction, so I assume the SB might be also. Things get resolved in the chats.

Really?

So do you put in your SA profile that you're 6'6" corporate executive? Your profile photo and albums show you leaned against one of your Ferraris in front of your beach side villa or mega yacht?

But guys at that level probably don't need to be on SA. Or they hire a "Booker" or agent to get girls for them. That's what I'd do. So when I get back from work or that stressful business negotiation, there's already a fine ass bikini model ready for me to release my stresses in her preferably in all three holes. Time is so precious at that level of wealth!

Unfortunately, this is what most girls think that SD are isn't it?

[Midwestern]

In my opinion, it hardly matters whether a girl has favorited you or not, whether she had looked at your profile or not. I think I said this like 3 or 4 times so far: until you physically meet a girl face to face, spent a few minutes talking and getting to know her, a girl is just some electrons moving around in ether. She is not real until then. Could be a guy in China or Serbia, using a few photos to lure you into sending money on Venmo, for all we know. Could be an AI bot.

Exactly. This is why I just say, "let's meet" almost immediately. I try to chat with them as little as possible. Chemistry is really established in person, not while chatting.

[PilotPaul]

I place zero emphasis on the profile. I know that my profile is fiction, so I assume the SB might be also. Things get resolved in the chats.

[Wupoer]

In my opinion, it hardly matters whether a girl has favorited you or not, whether she had looked at your profile or not. I think I said this like 3 or 4 times so far: until you physically meet a girl face to face, spent a few minutes talking and getting to know her, a girl is just some electrons moving around in ether. She is not real until then. Could be a guy in China or Serbia, using a few photos to lure you into sending money on Venmo, for all we know. Could be an AI bot.

I think there is really no reason to become paranoid about one type of girls vs other. When you begin chatting, you will know gradually if they sound real or not. If eventually you meet them for a coffee or dinner or lunch or drink, then you will know for sure. Your biggest investment is your time. So, you should learn to enjoy this tete a tete with these girls, even if you know in your heart that some or many of them are scammers and not real. It is a back and forth flirtation. Just keep in mind that a very large percent of those interactions will fizzle out.

True. But the chick should at least look at the SD's profile which a bot or scammer wouldn't do or care much about. In the end, I may go further. *Nothing* above even matters! Not until I see my bare dick splitting her lower lips open! LOL.

[Pessimist]

Yes, I've also noticed them favoriting without so much looking at my profile. I'm guessing they do a a filter search on SDs. When the list comes back, they just click on the "heart" icon on each and every SD that comes up in the list.

Been thinking about it and it does makes sense but just for them. Because the SB now shows up on the top of the SD's list, in his e-mail alerts, and SA website alerts for all for *free*! Otherwise they would have pay for the option of "boosting" their profile which puts them at the top of all SD's search results regardless of whether they fit into his filter. Boost costs:

* 1 Boost for 24 hrs ($9.99).

* 5 Boosts ($7.99/ ea).

* 10 bosts ($5.99/ ea).

In my opinion, it hardly matters whether a girl has favorited you or not, whether she had looked at your profile or not. I think I said this like 3 or 4 times so far: until you physically meet a girl face to face, spent a few minutes talking and getting to know her, a girl is just some electrons moving around in ether. She is not real until then. Could be a guy in China or Serbia, using a few photos to lure you into sending money on Venmo, for all we know. Could be an AI bot.

I think there is really no reason to become paranoid about one type of girls vs other. When you begin chatting, you will know gradually if they sound real or not. If eventually you meet them for a coffee or dinner or lunch or drink, then you will know for sure. Your biggest investment is your time. So, you should learn to enjoy this tete a tete with these girls, even if you know in your heart that some or many of them are scammers and not real. It is a back and forth flirtation. Just keep in mind that a very large percent of those interactions will fizzle out.

[MamaGuevos]

After the government took down backpage, P411 stopped accepting credit cards. It was necessary to send a bank check to Canada to join up. I think they now take US credit cards again, but their operations are not in the USA.

The real problem with them is that so many of their girls were way too high end for me. $300-$400 an HR is my limit.

I looked in P411 yesterday. But I saw some very negative reviews about it. For starters, P411 doesn't even pretend that its *not* a prostitution site. In the US, prostitution is illegal yet the P411 takes you full details (name, address, DOB, income, employment.). If P411 gets raided and hit with a search warrant, then they have a treasure trove of personal information on Johns. P411 is registered and hosted in the USA so they are subject to searches if a court orders it. They should register outside of the USA to at least mitigate that part of it like a. Ch domain that many monger sites are starting to use.

Also, can you usea P411 verification on your SA profile so girls can easily check that?

What SA needs is an *income verification* in addition to their background check. The income verification is just like that would be done when applying for a mortgage or re-finance. Send them recent pay stubs along with all current bank & investment statements. That would give girls a better selection criteria. As any broke dude (decent or not) can claim a $2 M networth and multiple real estate properties.

[Cons68]

Let me see. A hot super model type girl would be most certainly out of your league. If you sell your house, empty your retirement account and give everything to her, she might spend a night with you or a weekend.

A breathing woman with two arms and two legs is most likely out of his league.

[Wupoer]

I read some of you said that there are tons of girls on SA during this quarantine time because many are desperate for some financial help. I'm not sure if I'the agree with that since many ladies have been on that sites for few years. Few new ones don't seem to fit my type. It seems to me that many of you don't seem to be very selective based on physical attributes. For me, my preference is generally white up to 25 yo with athletic build and at least 5'5" tall, and I haven't seem to find that many. Perhaps, I'm just too darn picky about my preference. My philosophy is that if you're going to pay for an arrangement, you might as well pay for the best you can get. I generally pursue the ones that are considered to be way out of my league in my normal life.

When you read SA profiles saying that they're open to traveling to you and with you as long as there is genuine connection, do they usually mean staying and sleeping together overnight? I read somewhere that many SBs insist on staying in separate rooms when traveling together. That would be a hell NO. Have you guys ever gone on trips with your SA ladies? If so, how much did they ask for? Do you usually stay away from those explicitly stating that they want emotional connection? I've seen many seeking tags like that..

Yes, I've also noticed them favoriting without so much looking at my profile. I'm guessing they do a a filter search on SDs. When the list comes back, they just click on the "heart" icon on each and every SD that comes up in the list.

Been thinking about it and it does makes sense but just for them. Because the SB now shows up on the top of the SD's list, in his e-mail alerts, and SA website alerts for all for *free*! Otherwise they would have pay for the option of "boosting" their profile which puts them at the top of all SD's search results regardless of whether they fit into his filter. Boost costs:

* 1 Boost for 24 hrs ($9.99).

* 5 Boosts ($7.99/ ea).

* 10 bosts ($5.99/ ea).

[Pessimist]

I read some of you said that there are tons of girls on SA during this quarantine time because many are desperate for some financial help. I'm not sure if I'the agree with that since many ladies have been on that sites for few years. Few new ones don't seem to fit my type. It seems to me that many of you don't seem to be very selective based on physical attributes. For me, my preference is generally white up to 25 yo with athletic build and at least 5'5" tall, and I haven't seem to find that many. Perhaps, I'm just too darn picky about my preference. My philosophy is that if you're going to pay for an arrangement, you might as well pay for the best you can get. I generally pursue the ones that are considered to be way out of my league in my normal life.

When you read SA profiles saying that they're open to traveling to you and with you as long as there is genuine connection, do they usually mean staying and sleeping together overnight? I read somewhere that many SBs insist on staying in separate rooms when traveling together. That would be a hell NO. Have you guys ever gone on trips with your SA ladies? If so, how much did they ask for? Do you usually stay away from those explicitly stating that they want emotional connection? I've seen many seeking tags like that..

With all due respect, you should not be making comments about people you do not know. " It seems to me that many of you don't seem to be very selective based on physical attributes". That is a highly inflammatory statement, about many men on this site you have no clue about. Furthermore, if you are not having success wherever you live, that is hardly the same situation all over the world. I have said many times that SA is not necessarily one global market but a collection of several regional and city markets. Each has its own characteristic and some markets are much better than others.

You have several questions. It is OK to ask questions if you had asked them in a respectful manner. But you begin your comment with how your standards are high and put down others on the site with you must not have high standards and then ask for how we are managing our affairs on SA. I have to say you have a curious way of asking for help.

"My philosophy is that if you're going to pay for an arrangement, you might as well pay for the best you can get. I generally pursue the ones that are considered to be way out of my league in my normal life. " Let me see. A hot super model type girl would be most certainly out of your league. If you sell your house, empty your retirement account and give everything to her, she might spend a night with you or a weekend.

[MoneySign]

I read some of you said that there are tons of girls on SA during this quarantine time because many are desperate for some financial help. I'm not sure if I'the agree with that since many ladies have been on that sites for few years. Few new ones don't seem to fit my type. It seems to me that many of you don't seem to be very selective based on physical attributes. For me, my preference is generally white up to 25 yo with athletic build and at least 5'5" tall, and I haven't seem to find that many. Perhaps, I'm just too darn picky about my preference. My philosophy is that if you're going to pay for an arrangement, you might as well pay for the best you can get. I generally pursue the ones that are considered to be way out of my league in my normal life.

When you read SA profiles saying that they're open to traveling to you and with you as long as there is genuine connection, do they usually mean staying and sleeping together overnight? I read somewhere that many SBs insist on staying in separate rooms when traveling together. That would be a hell NO. Have you guys ever gone on trips with your SA ladies? If so, how much did they ask for? Do you usually stay away from those explicitly stating that they want emotional connection? I've seen many seeking tags like that.

You guys are rightfully suspicious about some profiles. I've noticed that sometimes my profile got favorited by female members who never viewed my profile. I find that very strange. How's that possible? That makes no sense to me. How could a member favorite you or send you message blindly without viewing your profile? That usually raises a red flag for me. Have you people noticed that? That seems very fishy. Is it possible SA website purposely create some dummy attractive profiles as baits to get more guys pay for the subscription? If true, that would be a very dishonest business practice. Last year, Match.com dating site got sued for sending robo messages from faked attractive members to lure new members to pay for premium membership. That's no good.