Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

Thank you all.

So U can surely get great SA girls in South America. But it's really not necessary. What I mean is the pro and semi pro scene in Brasil and Colombia is to die for. And cheap! Whereas in the US it's hideously expensive and really the girls are nothing to write home about compared to South America (at least not for under $500+ an hour. So in the USA, Seeking is the only game in town IMO. I mean for $400 you get an 8+ for four hours or overnight. You can't touch that with hookers.

But in South American you can already get hotties for extended time very reasonably. So you don't need SA in SA! LOL. Of course it works. It's just not nearly as needed as in the USA.

[Midwestern]

Steve is hands down one of the best guides to using SA on this sub-forum, if not the best, especially for the USA market. But my only small caveat or lemma to Steve's recent guide for newbies is that I try to move from text to meet-and-greet as soon as possible. Any chemistry that I accomplish, or fail to accomplish, on text has not been very predictive of the eventual outcome. On many occasions, I achieved great chemistry and convo while texting, but when we met, the chemistry wasn't there. On many occasions, the convo was a dud on text, but when we met the chemistry was amazing (the latter happens a lot if we meet for a drink and then get drunk, hahaha). So, when I can get a girl's attention, I just immediately say, "let's meet to see if there's any chemistry. " A lot of times, they may feel it can be a big waste of time, because texting is so easy, but if they raise this issue then I always offer to meet them wherever and whenever they want. Just my 2 cents.

[Midwestern]

Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

Thank you all.

Generalizations are always just that, but IMHO, BBFS is more likely with non-pros than with pros. So, yes, there are more BBFS opportunities on SA. And, and in my experience, if they are DTF, then they are down for BBFS on the first date. For pros on SA, they will likely only go for covered action.

[HelloIm]

Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

Thank you all.

[Elvis 2008]

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably enough and one or the other will suggest to take the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she wants to take u there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. (Though I have found SA virgins too shy to ask sometimes, so I offer). Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text.

Great guide Steve! I was so tired of guys saying all the women on SA are hookers and who have never used it. Now I think it is just more for us. You do not send photos to escorts, have to have game to pick up hookers, and not talk sex to street walkers.

Yes, we are paying for it, but maybe that criticism will grow teeth when I see a beauty queen with an average looking unemployed guy with no money.

[Elvis 2008]

Thank you for the reply. When you have sex with a woman without discussing money, then assuming you give her a gift afterwards, does the gift set the standard for how much the price for each meeting is then?

HelloIM,

You need to get out of the price mentality. A gift is just that. If the woman is truly a sugar baby, I focus my gift on their needs. Being a sugar daddy, a real one, means you are investing in the woman. With a working girl, I do not care if she spends all her money on drugs. Not my problem. With a SB, I care and give like I have a daughter. I am going to be far more liberal with money for education and health than for the latest fashions. What you will find is women will respond to this by not wanting you to give them anything, to show they are not hookers.

You often do have to wade through a sea of hookers to get a real sugar baby, but that is the fun of the hunt.

[TonyMontanaaO7]

Over the past 1.5 years, my experiences with SE have been mostly positive. It's been far more useful than any of the other 6 or so sites I've used. I've had to weed through a lot of time wasters who will likely never meet anyone and more than a few scammers, but that's not unusual and in fact much worse on other sites I've been on.

I had a very bad experience with a scammer over a year ago. I reported her, giving great detail about her actions but I never received any reply and I know she remained very active for the following year, probably scamming many other guys. It would have been nice to at least received some reply indicating why no action would be taken. Seeking claimed to take such matters seriously, yet as I said, I didn't even receive a response to my report.

[Mongerer88]

HelloIm,

Getting FS before setting a price is totally doable in countries where prostitution is legal or tolerated like Colombia or Mexico. The women or rather some women want to distinguish themselves so as not to be thought of as prostitutes.

In the USA sex prison, I never recall ever sex without a price first. Thing is I always think I talked about it before hand. It was in Colombia where I texted a woman, she said let's meet, we would meet, make out and then fuck and I was like, "We did not set a price. Damn!" This happened again and again. I saw the same thing in Mexico but in the USA, it is a no go. Sorry.

I angered a guy in a post many years ago in the Barcelona thread, and he never came back, and I feel bad when that happens. There was once a cottage industry here on ISG of guys who would spend time at shopping malls in various Latin American countries and in the Philippines, meet women, and they would hang out for a few days, the guys would buy them gifts, and make a cash payment at the end. Some guys tried to pay very little at the end, and the debatable issue is whether they hurt the market for others. From the female perspective in a poor country, she is often willing to take a small change of making a large profit, including the possibility of marriage with a move to a wealthier country. You do not seem to see this same activity in Thailand, perhaps due to the difficulty of a lady who has worked in the sex industry getting a marriage visa. I think I have read that before. I agree with Elvis that "not feeling like a prostitute" can contribute to the above-described behavior. I always thought is was from early childhood trauma caused directly by the Catholic Church, but the idea of a lady wanting to immediately differentiating herself from the hordes of available low-priced sex workers in the country may be more accurate.

I patiently explained these basic economic concepts to the guy who wanted to know the best mall in Barcelona to continue his exploits, but he called me condescending when I told him he would strike out. I explained to him the best places to buy sex in Barcelona, but he was not appreciative.

Now Seeking Arrangement exists in Latin America, Barcelona, and the United States. And its online shopping aspect has replaced the cute girl working at, or roaming, the big shopping malls in Latin America who would be amenable to an arrangement. But one part of economics hasn't changed. The wealthier the country, the smaller the chance of finding a lady who will take a small chance of making a large profit, with a small chance of getting completely burned at the end. Of course the guys who would burn her at the end are not really friends to the guys who pay the supposed market price.

I just continue to disagree with anyone who thinks there are cultural differences between breeds of women. There are American women who are just as attractive as Mexican women and who will do the same things sexually. They just cost a fuck of a lot more. If Mexico were allowed to freely produce drugs and sell them worldwide, and the wealth were divided in a manner that made women in Mexico have the same income\wealth as American women, the sugar baby scene would not be as good in Mexico, nor would a connection to the United States be as attractive a characteristic for the potential Sugar Daddy.

[Steve 9696]

Since we have new folks joining the group here, thought my newbie guide might help. This is primarily in the USA, though I did Argentina and UK with similar approach. And this was written for fly-in and may need adjustment for hometown game. Others who have done more pro / liberal destinations like MDE or MTY may want to augment.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and benefit second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you chave to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.

So start with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative -- the conversation will just die. You have to drive it -- and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself -- what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person -- It doesn't really matter-- just something that will get her to engage a bit.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably enough and one or the other will suggest to take the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she wants to take u there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. (Though I have found SA virgins too shy to ask sometimes, so I offer). Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text.

Once over to text, you can discuss allowance / gifts (never "her price" or "how much you charge") though some guys leave that for in person dates. Because I am a fly-in guy and want to close the deal -- I. E. Go to the room and have sex the very first night, I prefer to get this elephant out of the room before the date if possible. But again, you can't go straight here. Start first with how you see the date going.

I usually say something about going out and having an epic time and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX! And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often they will be down with this description -- I mean we are all on SA for a reason.

This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. As of this writing, with A LOT of searching and false starts I'the say most big cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more) with SF and NYC more like $500. $300 is more like it for second tier cities, and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category).

Once you have established "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

[Midwestern]

Thank you for the reply. When you have sex with a woman without discussing money, then assuming you give her a gift afterwards, does the gift set the standard for how much the price for each meeting is then?

If you're doing this in the USA, then I would follow Steve's advice.

[HelloIm]

HelloIm,

Getting FS before setting a price is totally doable in countries where prostitution is legal or tolerated like Colombia or Mexico. The women or rather some women want to distinguish themselves so as not to be thought of as prostitutes.

In the USA sex prison, I never recall ever sex without a price first. Thing is I always think I talked about it before hand. It was in Colombia where I texted a woman, she said let's meet, we would meet, make out and then fuck and I was like, "We did not set a price. Damn!" This happened again and again. I saw the same thing in Mexico but in the USA, it is a no go. Sorry.

Thank you for the reply. When you have sex with a woman without discussing money, then assuming you give her a gift afterwards, does the gift set the standard for how much the price for each meeting is then?

[Elvis 2008]

Hi Elvis, I am new to SA. I see a few forum mentions of not discussing prices before meeting up and people even mention fucking or getting BBFS before even any mentions of prices. Then they give the woman a gift as they are about to leave.

Is this a normal scenario that should be cultivated, or should I just go into every initial SA meet up expecting nothing but to get to know them and have fun?

HelloIm,

Getting FS before setting a price is totally doable in countries where prostitution is legal or tolerated like Colombia or Mexico. The women or rather some women want to distinguish themselves so as not to be thought of as prostitutes.

In the USA sex prison, I never recall ever sex without a price first. Thing is I always think I talked about it before hand. It was in Colombia where I texted a woman, she said let's meet, we would meet, make out and then fuck and I was like, "We did not set a price. Damn!" This happened again and again. I saw the same thing in Mexico but in the USA, it is a no go. Sorry.

[Steve 9696]

Hi Elvis, I am new to SA. I see a few forum mentions of not discussing prices before meeting up and people even mention fucking or getting BBFS before even any mentions of prices. Then they give the woman a gift as they are about to leave.

Is this a normal scenario that should be cultivated, or should I just go into every initial SA meet up expecting nothing but to get to know them and have fun?

Thanks for your guidance.

Helloim.

My experience is predominantly US based and I prefer to discuss pricing beforehand and close in a single night if possible. It depends a bit on the girl but I've had several Seeking virgins where we haven't discussed money but they were disappointed with $300-400 on the backend. I guess they read about girls getting $1000 or something and have unrealistic expectations. I don't like that feeling of them not being satisfied with the outcome so I try to always discuss price first. This has to be done delicately. I wrote about that here but it's prob 10-20 pages back. I can repost if you like.

As far as when to close the date with sex I think that first night is always best. You have a good time and momentum. And they could get cold feet by date 2 if they are new. If your not going to close night one I try to at least have a kiss. Preferably a passionate one. Girls where I haven't closed with a passionate kiss I've not had a successful date 2. But that may be self fulfilling. If they kiss you passionately they want date 2 and if not maybe they don't. That said the current girl I'm courting we had a peck kiss close on date 1 and I thought that was it. But no she swears she wants to get it on next date. We talked extensively about what we like in bed tonight and closed the night with a video of her doing the vibrator so things look promising.

So I try to discuss money before date and close the deal first night. I know other guys are different. I think Midwestern is a platonic coffee date first date guy for example. I suppose in the end if you win her over it doesn't matter.

[HelloIm]

I have given up trying to explain the appeal of SA to what seems like the majority of guys on this site. I have swapped tales and been told time and again the women only want you for one thing, money. And the women have been told we want one thing, sex. Going on SA means you are getting sex AND. For women, you are getting money AND. It is that part that makes SA or SB SD relationships so much better than just paying a working girl for a fuck.

I remember my ex fiance lecturing me on the subject. Why don't you not give a woman any money and see if she really likes you, she asked. I responded, Why don't you gain 50 pounds and see if a man really likes you? So I am tired of explaining why the SB SD / SA route works to people, because anyone who tries it knows the best experiences happen when it is not JUST money for sex.

On Dramafree's advice, I went to Monterrey, Mexico two weeks ago. This time was a repeat, and there was one woman named Nancy who just made my dick hard thinking about her. She is 20, thin, a former stripper, and has porn start talent and loves sex. When I saw her last time, she did not even ask for money. I just gave her a gift.

I started off seeing her first. She came around 11 AM. At 11:05 my cock was in her mouth. She was deep throating me, giving me the eye contact, and showing me her porno like BJ skills. She then started riding me. She is tight, perfect skin, incredible speed in the cowgirl position and then one orgasm and then another. I go into missionary with her. She is screaming, nails into my back, smacking my ass "mas rapido" she says, and we finish at the same time. After the post coital cuddle, I need some caffeine, and we head to Starbucks.

We talk some more and she shows me a video of the cartoon cat Garfield set to a James Brown song, and Nancy says with the song, "So good, so good", and it turns out that is her second favorite song.

We return to the hotel. Now I do not think I have ever met a woman hornier than me. I really do not. I was content to watch Netflix, recover, cuddle. Maybe we have sex you know another time before she goes at 5 or so.

As soon as we get back, she starts kissing me and I now learn the part of her favorite song. She looks at me, smiles, and then asks, "One more time?" Thank God to Eli Lilly for discovering Cialis because I still was all I could be. We start making out, and I get more aggressive playing with the hole other than her vagina. She moans and yells, "so good, so good". Multiple positions, multiple orgasms for her, but I hold my cum. It is now 2 PM.

I suggest we watch the Neflix show Big Mouth, highly recommended for intercoital relaxation BTW. I set the audio on English and put on Spanish subtitles. She watches. Big laughs. This is the funniest show ever per her. We get halfway through the second show and she grabs my cock and gives me this sheepish grin and asks, "One more time?

We do the "one more time", "so good so good", Netflix routine twice more. She says that she has to go and orders an Uber. I give her the money gift (she never asked for anything). She looks down at her Uber which is 15 minutes away and says, "One more time?" I use the Spanish phrase for my poor heart, tell her I am only one man, but we go at it again, and I lose it this time and cum.

And that was just the first half of my day.

I think Mary Cruz is my favorite looks wise of my three Monterrey keepers. She is a family doctor and very reserved. She has a great smile, flawless skin, and like a perfect body. When I first saw her, she had on a blazer, tube top, and gym shorts, and I proclaimed her a 10. This is the third time I see her, and the second time she is wearing a dress, and I cannot believe it. Somehow her dress shows her to have a big ass and a gut. I do not get it. Here is the rare woman who looks better out of clothes than in them.

So I try to get Mary to open up. Instead she opens up my pants. She is horny as fuck and wastes no time going down on me and dragging me to bed. Nancy is lithe, ballerina like, strong but in a slim girl kind of way. Mary is solid everywhere. She is slim but not skinny like Nancy and has obvious muscles in her back, arms, and legs. Everything about her strong: the force of her blowjob, the way she gets on top of me, even the way she orgasms, but it is a quiet strength. This is work out type fucking, and I love it. I get on top of her, and she grabs my ass and forces me in deeper with greater force, and we cum together.

She then goes from animal Mary to cute, quiet happy little Dr. Cruz. A sweet smile, head on my pecs, stroking my chest hairs. I try talking to her more. Ask questions, get one word answers and am content to leave her and me in the oxytocin fog. Ms. Mary Cruz woman of mystery.

Now I have had sex seven times?, shot my load three times, and I think there is no way I can get hard again, but Mary looks so cute and I start kissing her and Mary grabs junior and then "Boing! WTF? And Mary Cruz shows she does not want to let a load of good wood go to waste.

When Mary leaves, I am beat but smile and think to myself this is the best day of sex I have EVER had. That record lasts one day. Stay tuned for part 2.

Hi Elvis, I am new to SA. I see a few forum mentions of not discussing prices before meeting up and people even mention fucking or getting BBFS before even any mentions of prices. Then they give the woman a gift as they are about to leave.

Is this a normal scenario that should be cultivated, or should I just go into every initial SA meet up expecting nothing but to get to know them and have fun?

Thanks for your guidance.

Helloim.

[Frank Lucas]

I am glad that I found this thread about seeking. I have chatted with DF in the past about seeking in Houston. So, I tried a few here recently but got a few flakes and gave up. But, the first time I tried seeking 2 years ago it was great, got a hot 20-year-old Latina who said she needed car payment money and she BBFS me for 2 hours at $200. I thought that was a lot at the time but looking back I see that I got a pretty good deal. You guys are right about it taking time to cultivate the playing field that is seeking. But, reading reports like the one Elvis posted gets me motivated to try again and give it more time and energy. I used to visit MTY all the time years ago and hope to return again as I love MTY beauties. Cheers fellas.