Seeking Arrangements

[J Janni]

Yeah I find London breaks my formula. In the US the cost of a pro for an hour is a good proxy for an SA girl for the evening. But in London I can get a nice girl for 150-200 at Diva say. But I couldn't find SA girls there. 250 was as low as I found in my limited experience when pass thru in 2019 and 2020.

I'm in the NorthWest, bordering upon the West Midlands.

I've got the slums of Liverpool, Birmingham and Manchester within spitting distance and these girls are still talking stupid numbers. It's a filtering game, isn't it?

[Steve 9696]

Yes, that was me. Phuket and Pattaya. Was considering a bandit run back to Thailand but timings just aren't going to work.

Smoking hot single momma' never came off. Definite scammer. But at least she's a polite scammer who didn't let me do a 40 minute round trip.

Got another girl lined up for tomorrow morning, 40 minutes away. Short, petite 25 year old black British girl. Confirmed ID with videocall. BBFSCIP agreed to upfront (very reluctantly) for 150 ppm. All the other girls I've taken to WhatsApp are wanting 250+ per meet.

Yeah I find London breaks my formula. In the US the cost of a pro for an hour is a good proxy for an SA girl for the evening. But in London I can get a nice girl for 150-200 £ at Diva say. But I couldn't find SA girls there. 250 £ was as low as I found in my limited experience when pass thru in 2019 and 2020.

[J Janni]

Love your never say die attitude. Why not go in glass half full but with low expectations. I like it. But def I'm betting on the 99.9999% outcome! Best of luck!

Ps loved reading ur recent reports. In the Phuket thread as i recall?

Yes, that was me. Phuket and Pattaya. Was considering a bandit run back to Thailand but timings just aren't going to work.

Smoking hot single momma' never came off. Definite scammer. But at least she's a polite scammer who didn't let me do a 40 minute round trip.

Got another girl lined up for tomorrow morning, 40 minutes away. Short, petite 25 year old black British girl. Confirmed ID with videocall. BBFSCIP agreed to upfront (very reluctantly) for £150 ppm. All the other girls I've taken to WhatsApp are wanting £250+ per meet.

[Steve 9696]

Damn I must be living right. My rekindle of a late 2019 girl in a second tier city I visit far exceeded expectations. Ended up giving her 400 after a six hour date including 3 full hours in the bedroom and two mega shots. In the past we were pressed for time and it was very transactional. This time it was much more BFGF once we got going and man does she love to drink and becomes quite the vixen once the Tito's is flowing.

Full report to follow.

[Steve 9696]

Trying out SA at the moment. There's a smoking hot girl, 24, single mum, about 20 minutes drive from me. She wants 100 for a meet plus childcare of 20, quick drink at the pub then across the road to her place. Confirmed with a videocall she is the girl in the pictures. New profile, created today. So maybe she's clueless?

Back and forth over 'need to send money for childcare first' - obviously, I'm not sending anything.

Finally got her to agree to meet me first, then I'd give her the childcare money. 99.999% certain I'm being sent off on a wildgoose chase. But I haven't got anything else to do today. And that 0. 001% chance it isn't, well fantastic!

Still 50/50 whether I'm going to even bother taking the drive.

Love your never say die attitude. Why not go in glass half full but with low expectations. I like it. But def I'm betting on the 99.9999% outcome! Best of luck!

Ps loved reading ur recent reports. In the Phuket thread as i recall?

[J Janni]

Trying out SA at the moment. There's a smoking hot girl, 24, single mum, about 20 minutes drive from me. She wants £100 for a meet plus childcare of £20, quick drink at the pub then across the road to her place. Confirmed with a videocall she is the girl in the pictures. New profile, created today. So maybe she's clueless?

Back and forth over 'need to send money for childcare first' - obviously, I'm not sending anything.

Finally got her to agree to meet me first, then I'd give her the childcare money. 99.999% certain I'm being sent off on a wildgoose chase. But I haven't got anything else to do today. And that 0. 001% chance it isn't, well fantastic!

Still 50/50 whether I'm going to even bother taking the drive.

[NapataJohn]

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[NapataJohn]

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Steve the optics and personality of the SA girl I meet is very important for me more than the money I pay. I would rather pay more for 2 good meetings than 4 ordinary meetings.

Plus I have old SBs from 4 years ago that I meet when I go to that town or city. I have helped them out in hard times and thankfully there remember that even now. Example if you say meet 4 ordinary girls for 300 each or meet 2 very attractive girls for 700 each time I will for sure choose the latter. I hope that this sort of thinking aligns with your approach or thoughts.

[Steve 9696]

Pessimist I am sure you are right but I tend not to spend too much time negotiating down as I feel it spoils the meeting. She may not be so motivated during the meet, a 100 more is okay with me. Prefer being happy in these meetings than feeling she may not be so enthusiastic.

Yeah I was finding in bigger cities in 2019 that it was tough to get a hot girl for less than 400. And that became my max. Then during Covid it seemed 500 was getting more regular. Although honestly I didn't try too hard. My logic was yeah I can prob get her to 400 but that's 100 more in my pocket and 100 less on hers. I have no doubt I will never miss this 100 or even the 1000 if we are lucky enough to have ten visits (looking at you Kayla!) so I let it slide at 500. Of course I'm getting 24 hrs and bareback and complete GFE in all respects. So it's an amazing deal.
(And slightly second tier girls — a little heavy or less pretty — but not both! At 300).

But I feel downward price pressure as we emerge here. We shall see!

[Pessimist]

Pessimist I am sure you are right but I tend not to spend too much time negotiating down as I feel it spoils the meeting. She may not be so motivated during the meet, a 100 more is okay with me. Prefer being happy in these meetings than feeling she may not be so enthusiastic.

I understand. Anyway, you are an experienced sugardad. Don't think I need to tell you anything. If you are looking to pay 500, I bet you are able to get the creme de la creme, and extended service with everything included, whatever you desire. Happy hunting!

[Steve 9696]

Yeah, you guys are totally right. I forgot about the category of SBs (and some WGs) that have decent jobs, but they just hook or SB on the side for some extra cash. In fact, these are specifically the ones that I searched for on SA.

Anyway, I just brought up the categories because I wanted to hear your thoughts on the gals that are good people, but they sell their bodies because they feel like they have no other choice in order to survive for themselves and / or for their family. I am regularly seeing several gals that fall into this category, and it is eating me up.

For example, they are single moms with no money and with very poor parents and are from a very rural part of the country. They leave their kids back home and come to the big city to sell their bodies to have enough money to take care of the family. I feel guilty about seeing them, because I feel like I am taking advantage of their bad situation in life. And because my situation is the opposite of theirs. I was born into a good family, and raised well. I am actually lazy and a loser, but because I have a college degree that my parents paid for, I am doing okay financially with a decent job. And so, I feel like I am bad person because I am taking advantage of good people. I did not deserve my good fate and they did not deserve their bad fates. Ironically, they are among the best WGs, SBs, GFs that I ever had.

I'the say MW you are just the opposite of a bad person. A bad person will not be thinking the thoughts you do; he will not care about their life situation. The fact that you care for these girls and their situation means you have a good soul. Not that you are a saint but honestly you are probably a god send for this type girl. They have to fuck every opportunity even horrible misogynistic dudes and who treat them badly. You are no doubt a breath of fresh air in addition to cash.

I think I am a pretty nice guy but I don't like to fly too close to the flame. I had a brief SB once who would ask for diaper and formula money and I just couldn't keep on because it was depressing to be that close to her real life. I felt bad about it and I suppose it was selfish but I am def making sure I enjoy myself in my last 25 years or whatever. When it comes to SB whenever possible for a girl I want to be the frosting not the cake!

[NapataJohn]

Personally, 300 or thereabouts should be sufficient to get many pretty white girls in the Tampa region. It is not an expensive city, and in any case I have had some personal experience there..

Pessimist I am sure you are right but I tend not to spend too much time negotiating down as I feel it spoils the meeting. She may not be so motivated during the meet, a 100 more is okay with me. Prefer being happy in these meetings than feeling she may not be so enthusiastic.

[Pessimist]

Yeah, you guys are totally right. I forgot about the category of SBs (and some WGs) that have decent jobs, but they just hook or SB on the side for some extra cash. In fact, these are specifically the ones that I searched for on SA.

Anyway, I just brought up the categories because I wanted to hear your thoughts on the gals that are good people, but they sell their bodies because they feel like they have no other choice in order to survive for themselves and / or for their family. I am regularly seeing several gals that fall into this category, and it is eating me up.

For example, they are single moms with no money and with very poor parents and are from a very rural part of the country. They leave their kids back home and come to the big city to sell their bodies to have enough money to take care of the family. I feel guilty about seeing them, because I feel like I am taking advantage of their bad situation in life. And because my situation is the opposite of theirs. I was born into a good family, and raised well. I am actually lazy and a loser, but because I have a college degree that my parents paid for, I am doing okay financially with a decent job. And so, I feel like I am bad person because I am taking advantage of good people. I did not deserve my good fate and they did not deserve their bad fates. Ironically, they are among the best WGs, SBs, GFs that I ever had.

You are a good guy, Midwestern. I don't think you should feel that way. Sorry, it is not my business to give advice to others, but just couldn't help myself for a minute. I also think "selling bodies" has an ugly connotation to it. It is two bodies coming together. The key is that she has a good, fun experience. If she is in obvious distress then it is a different matter. If she is visibly looking unhappy about getting fucked, I don't believe you will continue. If she is doing against her true will, you are not the one who put her there in that situation. Specially not in a sugarbabe relationship. In a FKK, there is some chance the girl was brought against her will. In German forums there have been many discussions of Romanian loverboys who traffic the girls in. No one knows the truth, and how many are trafficked and how many came on their own. As Steve said once, no one wants the cow slaughtered on their table, they just want to eat the steak. At least you are a nice compassionate person who is gentle with the girl and gives good money. If not you, is she better off w / someone else who may be rough physically and cheats on the money?

I again say, it is too simplistic to put sugarbabes in a few buckets. It just means you haven't had a chance to meet more (not you personally; I know you are super experienced, probably more experienced than me). The more girls I talk to, there are more stories and more nuances. I find them interesting, enjoy the getting to know part and of course the sex, and soon will forget them and find new ones. In a manner of speaking, they are like the girls who sat next to you and talked to you on a plane journey; we share a time and place for a brief time and then poof, gone our separate ways. Only memories.

[DoomBringer321]

It's an article I found online about sugar babies.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sydrobinson...by-confessions

[Midwestern]

Yeah, you guys are totally right. I forgot about the category of SBs (and some WGs) that have decent jobs, but they just hook or SB on the side for some extra cash. In fact, these are specifically the ones that I searched for on SA.

Anyway, I just brought up the categories because I wanted to hear your thoughts on the gals that are good people, but they sell their bodies because they feel like they have no other choice in order to survive for themselves and / or for their family. I am regularly seeing several gals that fall into this category, and it is eating me up.

For example, they are single moms with no money and with very poor parents and are from a very rural part of the country. They leave their kids back home and come to the big city to sell their bodies to have enough money to take care of the family. I feel guilty about seeing them, because I feel like I am taking advantage of their bad situation in life. And because my situation is the opposite of theirs. I was born into a good family, and raised well. I am actually lazy and a loser, but because I have a college degree that my parents paid for, I am doing okay financially with a decent job. And so, I feel like I am bad person because I am taking advantage of good people. I did not deserve my good fate and they did not deserve their bad fates. Ironically, they are among the best WGs, SBs, GFs that I ever had.