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  1. #2252

    Not Quite "No Drama"

    Haha well I guess it's not always rainbows and unicorns. Got a text yesterday from Kayla. She's hit me up before for little stuff like nails or something. And usually oblige but not always. S yesterday she hits me up wanting something specific for lunch and will I buy it for her. This is more direct than her usual hints. Wasn't totally pleased but it's chump change but I'm busy so I ignore it.

    Next day I get an "guess not. Have a nice night" which was pretty bitchy for her. But I think maybe I am just reading it wrong and send her a few bucks and tell her I was busy. But then I find my messages aren't going thru and her picture disappears from WhatsApp. I think this might happen if you are blocked but I am amazed she'the block me over this.

    So I let it sit a day. Then contact her on regular texts. Yep she was pissed. Guess it was a shit test and I failed. LOL. Anyhow not willing to give up the 9. 5 bareback Queen over a few bucks so we made up and she apologized and blamed her emotions on being a cancer (lots of these twenty somethings and astrology!

    Obviously this is a red flag and I got to keep an eye on it. But I know how hard it is to find a quality girl. So going to bend some. Hope we just put this in the rear view cuz were meeting up again in a few weeks. Keeping fingers crossed. I know I can just next and dig in on SA bit started that today and its tough to find a unicorn like this. So gonna keep it rolling.

  2. #2251
    Quote Originally Posted by Atxbadgers  [View Original Post]
    Hi,

    I just started my membership in SA and currently in Medellin. I feel most of the conversations are going no where when I say lets meet for a coffee and then decide as I am not sure if I would like her in person. So I would highly appreciate any tips on getting started as I am kind of getting tired of the PL and other places.

    Thanks again.
    I could share a few SA contacts with you to get you started, but you need to upgrade your membership in order to receive or send PMs here.

    SA in MDE is very though, you can read my recent posts in which I complain a lot LOL.

  3. #2250
    "Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat."

    That's hilarious. Sex for money is the entire point of the site, although some men are stupid enough to pay money for no sex.

  4. #2249
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    I am literally on SA at least an hour a day prospecting.
    Adding to my previous post about prices for SBs vs escorts the above is also something you have to factor. Now I don't spend nearly as much time on SA as you (no judgement just a reflection) but if I did it would convert to thousands of USD in a week if I had been working / billing those hours to clients instead. So I still hold that the cost for SBs adds up.

  5. #2248
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    I do have to disagree with The Manager when he asserts that an SB is 2-3 X more expensive than an escort. Maybe he had this backwards. Because there is no escort in the US in the 7+!looks category that is going to have dinner, fuck you and sleep over for $4-500 and that is par for the course on SA.
    As you noted that's an American phenomena. It's rather odd actually as I've found it to be the opposite just about everywhere else in the world.

  6. #2247

    Stories for Post or Repost

    I've tried to be faithful about posting my stories as they occur. But some were posted back when Midwestern started this gem of a forum snd some not all. Happy to post / repost any that look interesting.

    Thifany. From the nightclubs of Brazil to dancing in London. My first SB.

    Valentina. The girl from Buenos Ares that broke my heart. But not before being totally awesome snd taking me to my first ever sex club.

    Vegas. Three girls over five days, including the epic seduction of the "I can't have sex with a guy I just met" girl.

    Miami. Early in the journey Colombian hottie.

    NYC. Early on. Total SA virgin. Amazing to introduce her to the world.

    London Duo. Two for one Colombianas bonus date! (Rising from the ashes after Valentina crushed my heart).

    Alexa Miami. Flew Vegas girl (above) to Miami for an epic weekend.

    Let me know if any of these strike your fancy and I will post / repost. Thanks!

  7. #2246

    Tons of Work

    Quote Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor  [View Original Post]
    Sorting through all the scammers, hookers and crazy babies is a pain in the ass. A reposting of your guide would be appreciated, thanks.
    I am posting the guide below. I wrote this a little earlier in my journey so I will note a couple updates here. First, prices have gone up. I find $500 pretty standard for a pretty girl in a big city snd even second tier cities seem more like $400. That said the number of sleepovers Ive had seems to also have increased so its really still a very good deal vs the alternative. Second I have found a couple of my great SBs like Mika and Kayla tend towards the semi-pro side in that they were comfortable discussing PPM even used that term. Ive also had an amazing string of black girls of late. I am more partial to Latinas but the black girls seem more ready to get down of late. Maybe its just a streak with me but its more target rich if thats in ur wheelhouse.

    And one comment yes it is a horrific pain in the ass to sort thru all this. I am literally on SA at least an hour a day prospecting. It takes that kind of effort. But the payoff is where it's at. When you get an eight or nine giving you a BBBJ, swallowing, fucking you to death and sleeping over then you know it's soooo worth it.

    ————-
    I came to realize through the Thifany experience (also possibly worth a repost - posted this epic about a year ago) that I like more than just paid sex. And in fact I love having a girlfriend. I enjoy texting each other. I enjoy that someone cares about me (even if she's pretending -- just never tell me so!) and of course I love the complete experience of dinners and dancing and just acting like real lovers. Not transactional sex partners. And SB / SD is all about this same experience. When done properly.

    So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and benefit second.

    Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

    Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.

    So start with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative -- the conversation will just die. You have to drive it -- and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself -- what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person -- It doesn't really matter-- just something that will get her to engage a bit.

    At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably enough and one or the other will suggest to take the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she goes there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text.

    Once over to text, you can discuss allowance / gifts (never "her price" or "how much you charge") though some guys leave that for in person dates. Because I am a fly-in guy and want to close the deal -- I. E. Go to the room and have sex -- the very first night, I prefer to get this elephant out of the room before the date if possible. But again, you can't go straight here. Start first with how you see the date going.

    I usually say something about going out and having an epic time and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX! And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often they will be down with this description -- I mean we are all on SA for a reason. This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. As of this writing, with A LOT of searching and false starts I'the say most big cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more) with SF and NYC more like $500. $300 is more like it for second tier cities, and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category).

    Once you have the "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

  8. #2245

    Squeaky Clean

    Quote Originally Posted by Akibono  [View Original Post]
    I have a message for you.
    I await your missive.

  9. #2244

    Medellin Unique

    Quote Originally Posted by Atxbadgers  [View Original Post]
    Hi,

    I just started my membership in SA and currently in Medellin. I feel most of the conversations are going no where when I say lets meet for a coffee and then decide as I am not sure if I would like her in person. So I would highly appreciate any tips on getting started as I am kind of getting tired of the PL and other places.

    Thanks again.
    Sorry I can't help w Medellin — maybe Elvis or DramaFree can. What I do know is that Seeking is not usually worth your time in a P4 P playground like Med. Facebook seems the route there. I am sure you can read more in that forum which is one of the most active on ISG.

  10. #2243
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Not sure who your bragging jab was aimed at but suppose it could have been me. I have had very great luck at SA and do like to post it here for two reasons:

    1. I enjoy memorializing it and sharing it with other like minded folks. I truly enjoy reading the exploits of others and have been told many times people enjoy my FRs. I try to post the good and the bad. Mostly it's been good or great. Long time readers know I've had my heart broken and been taken to the cleaners for about $3000 in wasted spending. But I've shared and lived and learned.

    2. I hope that people lurk here and will come to see what a paradise SA can be when done right. Especially in pussy prison USA. If you told me three years ago I'd be extolling the virtues of P4 P in the US I'd have said you were crazy. Now I am the number one fan.

    That said if you are looking for tips for newbies happy to answer any questions you might have. I posted a full guide but it's back a lot of pages now but can repost or answer specifics.

    I do have to disagree with The Manager when he asserts that an SB is 2-3 X more expensive than an escort. Maybe he had this backwards. Because there is no escort in the US in the 7+!looks category that is going to have dinner, fuck you and sleep over for $4-500 and that is par for the course on SA.
    Sorting through all the scammers, hookers and crazy babies is a pain in the ass. A reposting of your guide would be appreciated, thanks.

  11. #2242

    Clean out your box

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Not sure who your bragging jab was aimed at but suppose it could have been me. I have had very great luck at SA and do like to post it here for two reasons:

    1. I enjoy memorializing it and sharing it with other like minded folks. I truly enjoy reading the exploits of others and have been told many times people enjoy my FRs. I try to post the good and the bad. Mostly it's been good or great. Long time readers know I've had my heart broken and been taken to the cleaners for about $3000 in wasted spending. But I've shared and lived and learned.

    2. I hope that people lurk here and will come to see what a paradise SA can be when done right. Especially in pussy prison USA. If you told me three years ago I'd be extolling the virtues of P4 P in the US I'd have said you were crazy. Now I am the number one fan.

    That said if you are looking for tips for newbies happy to answer any questions you might have. I posted a full guide but it's back a lot of pages now but can repost or answer specifics.

    I do have to disagree with The Manager when he asserts that an SB is 2-3 X more expensive than an escort. Maybe he had this backwards. Because there is no escort in the US in the 7+!looks category that is going to have dinner, fuck you and sleep over for $4-500 and that is par for the course on SA.
    I have a message for you.

  12. #2241

    Just got my membership on SA and newbie

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    That said if you are looking for tips for newbies happy to answer any questions you might have. I posted a full guide but it's back a lot of pages now but can repost or answer specifics.
    Hi,

    I just started my membership in SA and currently in Medellin. I feel most of the conversations are going no where when I say lets meet for a coffee and then decide as I am not sure if I would like her in person. So I would highly appreciate any tips on getting started as I am kind of getting tired of the PL and other places.

    Thanks again.

  13. #2240

    What Do You Want to Know?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for your post. Finally some good useful info on this thread for newbies instead of just a bunch of bragging.
    Not sure who your bragging jab was aimed at but suppose it could have been me. I have had very great luck at SA and do like to post it here for two reasons:

    1. I enjoy memorializing it and sharing it with other like minded folks. I truly enjoy reading the exploits of others and have been told many times people enjoy my FRs. I try to post the good and the bad. Mostly it's been good or great. Long time readers know I've had my heart broken and been taken to the cleaners for about $3000 in wasted spending. But I've shared and lived and learned.

    2. I hope that people lurk here and will come to see what a paradise SA can be when done right. Especially in pussy prison USA. If you told me three years ago I'd be extolling the virtues of P4 P in the US I'd have said you were crazy. Now I am the number one fan.

    That said if you are looking for tips for newbies happy to answer any questions you might have. I posted a full guide but it's back a lot of pages now but can repost or answer specifics.

    I do have to disagree with The Manager when he asserts that an SB is 2-3 X more expensive than an escort. Maybe he had this backwards. Because there is no escort in the US in the 7+!looks category that is going to have dinner, fuck you and sleep over for $4-500 and that is par for the course on SA.

  14. #2239
    Quote Originally Posted by BrizLad  [View Original Post]
    In my local paper today:

    A FORMER elite Brisbane school student from a "loving family" who spat in the face of a cop and stole $1000 from a man she met on a sugar daddy site has received a sentence of imprisonment.

    Bridgette Emily Fenton, 19, was immediately paroled after pleading guilty to 14 charges including assaults occasioning bodily harm, stealing, serious assault police, affray, enter dwelling and wilful damage.

    The former Loreto College student's offending was driven by alcohol, the Brisbane Magistrates Court heard. The most serious offence occurred in June last year when Fenton met with a man in his Carrara unit after they communicated on the dating app "seeking arrangements", the court heard. After consuming wine the pair agreed on $1000 for intimacy but when the man left the room Fenton fled with the cash before anything occurred, the court heard. Fenton received 12 months imprisonment with a parole release date of Tuesday, taking into account 119 days already served. She was ordered to do 40 hours community service.

    Good on the guy for following through and bringing her to justice.
    $1000 for intimacy. What's wrong with some people?

  15. #2238
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Yeah def not. But touch that I am hypocritical on this topic. A year ago I would have said no way not taking the chance. But here I am a year later having fucked three different girls bareback. To be fair I never CIP, only shoot a small amount about an inch these days. LOL. I did some reading on pull out effectiveness and it's in the 90's when done right. I am pretty sure at my age I am going to do this way better than the general population of horny 20 somethings so prob on the high end of that. Actually my biggest issue is pulling out too soon and losing the shot and having to work up to it again! Hahaha. Didn't have that problem a few years back.

    Anyhow it's a good reminder that I need to be careful snd keep my wits about me. And first time barebacking two different girls same month (not sure that's an awesome idea) so I will prob go back to condoms with Sue. She's too in love with me already. 😋.
    I just remembered, back when I was a little less fat, a little less old, and a little less shy. Just enough to get a genuine girlfriend. (yes, that was years ago, so long I even forgot about it) I used vaginal contraception (spermicide gel, dissolving film) - something like this: https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/vc...417675-product. Many many unprotected injections and not a single problem, with different girls, too.

    Certainly do your licking first, you don't want to taste the chemical, but otherwise it doesn't really interfere with the sensation as long as you get a quality product.

    It pains me to imagine how badly could one of those girls mess up your life if she was to get pregnant and go bonkers. Especially if she's US-based.

    https://rollingout.com/2014/02/04/woman-uses-sperm-oral-sex-get-pregnant-force-man-pay-child-support/
    "In the ultimate case of relationship treachery, a woman collected the sperm she gathered from oral sex on her lover and used it to impregnate herself, then had the courts force the man to pay child support." $800 per month.

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