Seeking Arrangements

[Elvis 2008]

The funny thing is that one of the reasons why SA began was so SDs could date college students that needed some extra spending money. But do you any of you guys (especially if you are over 50) still date these college girls?

LOL. Not in the USA. Honestly, it is the feminist crap, women like to say there are more women in college than men, but do you know what their degrees are in? To me, those women are just avoiding the work place. I would not have gone to college if it did not mean more money and with most of these women and especially today, it means just that. They are happy taking out loans, getting into debt, and not having to deal with it in college, but honestly, they would have been better off not going to college at all. Many of the college women today are just flat out nuts.

There was a strip club line in the 90's where women would say when you tipped them, it helped out with their medical school or law school expenses. You would ask these women about what classes they were taking, and they would go blank.

In Colombia, there is some but not as much credit as in the USA, and the women I have met are not in the liberal arts programs but ones where you can actually make an income. When I talked about the subjects they were studying, they all showed me how much they knew about it. An uber drive from NJ told me that Colombian schools are just as hard if not harder than those in the USA.

I may get beat up for saying this but given the rate of obesity in the USA, a woman would do a lot better emphasizing beauty over some if not most types of education.

[Steve 9696]

Just found this on SA. Top colleges for SB's: https://www.seeking.com/p/sugar-baby...sity-2021/usa/.

Notable that there is not a single California university on the list, while Southern New Hampshire Univ. Somehow makes the top 15. Also reinforces why Phoenix has been my best travel city to date.

SNHU pivoted to primarily online before it became fashionable. So that makes sense. They have students all over the US.

[Midwestern]

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This is my point: So why is marriage being rammed down our throats? Because it is the most common way by far for women to achieve wealth. In fact, if you look at all the emotional hurt as the author points out, you really are working your whole life for a woman.

I think a much better strategy is for American guys to go to a country where they are at least 8's financially? What do you all think?

For me, I felt like I had to justify being happier with multiple SBs rather than a wife or GF. Now after looking at all this, I realize I am not missing anything.

Here's my 2 cents.

For a young guy, the main reason to get married is to have a loving and supportive partner, because when men are young, we tend to be immature, and also super stressed out, as we are working on our careers.

For the older guy, the only reason to get married is if you want to have kids and you want your kids to have a mother.

Otherwise, there is no reason to get married. That's just my opinion, of course.

[Midwestern]

Just found this on SA. Top colleges for SB's: https://www.seeking.com/p/sugar-baby...sity-2021/usa/.

Notable that there is not a single California university on the list, while Southern New Hampshire Univ. Somehow makes the top 15. Also reinforces why Phoenix has been my best travel city to date.

I met a bunch of Berkeley SBs when I was living and working in SF. Eventually, I just decided that college students were too young for me. (1) We had almost NOTHING in common, so it was always awkward hanging out with them. (2) They are SUPER busy, and so the flake ratio was very high. (3) And they often treated me like a client, which is not surprising given the age difference. Finally, I got some drama from one of them, probably because she was only 21 or 22. So, I finally decided that 24 was the minimum SB age for me.

The funny thing is that one of the reasons why SA began was so SDs could date college students that needed some extra spending money. But do you any of you guys (especially if you are over 50) still date these college girls?

[Midwestern]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).

MW,

I think it has to deal with how many rich SDs there are, living expenses, and the morals of a given region.

Totally agree. For example, not too many rich SDs in Portland, but plenty of hippie chicks.

Just want to say YMMV. Las Vegas 3 for 3. NYC 3 for 4. Miami 1 for 1. All 8's and up. All but one we hooked up on SA weeks in advance. So maybe I just had a lucky 2019. But the big cities been berry berry good to me.

I agree that Las Vegas is very good! But I have found that super cheezy touristy cities to be good in general. Niagara Falls is another example where SA is very good. No offense to anyone from these places. I actually like LV.

Midwestern you know your shit. Amazing post. You need to organize a trip to the top 3 destinations, we could get a group of guys together and have a blast. Moscow is number one for me, maybe Sau Paulo and one other destination. I can not travel over the summer, because to busy at work, but after Thanksgiving, until Feb, I have a lot of free time.

LOL, I don't know if you're kidding or not. But I think a large part of it is that these small cities have almost no turnover in terms of both SDs and SBs, and so the SBs get excited when a new guy comes to town. This is why I put in the "traveler's point of view" caveat. I am sure that the SA market in small cities suck for locals.

[Elvis 2008]

I had a little pressure for people telling me to look in the USA and quit going abroad for women. I like making decisions based on facts and numbers, and I really did not have them until I read this book: https://*******.com/y294szrc.

The Book of Numbers: Analyzing the ROI on the Pursuit of Women.

So basically in this book, the first part was looking at wife material so he excluded the obese, single moms, women with herpes, huge debt, financial irresponsible women ETC. He totals it up and he got 2% or one in 50 women.

Then he asked what were the chances that a woman would go out with an average Joe with an average income. Are you ready? It was one in 200 or 0. 5%.

And even if you got that women to go out with you and you were married, your odds are 4 X greater of getting a divorce than being in a happy marriage. Happy marriages are one in 8 but really what we think of as ideal marriages are really closer to 2% or one in 50.

The average guy over his life time will spend $260,000 in the pursuit of, maintenance of, and disposal of women. The author correctly points out had those same guys put the money in the market they would have $10 million.

This is my point: So why is marriage being rammed down our throats? Because it is the most common way by far for women to achieve wealth. In fact, if you look at all the emotional hurt as the author points out, you really are working your whole life for a woman.

The author linked to another book I found interesting called the unplugged Alpha, the no bullshit guide to winning with women. https://*******.com/y49m4p22.

This guy has a you tube channel and much of the same ideas are found there that was in the book: https://www.youtube.com/c/EntrepreneursInCars/featured.

I have learned a lot from his book and the videos. What he says though and it is backed up by studies is that 80% of the women only will swipe right on only the top 20% of guys.

For people going abroad, this video is important, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDx_zJAPshs it shows what hypergamy is, a woman will always look to swing up. It is in their nature. He looks at a hot woman dating an overweight guy and predicts they will break up based on the Instagram page. She is taking more pictures of herself and fewer and fewer of him. The point with us is that if you think that sweet foreigner is going to stay sweet if she is in America for a while, you are kidding yourself.

I am going to expand on this post though. There is a lot to here. I like the phrase "Chase excellence not women" but I do not like the phrase "Do the work. " because it sounds like men have not been doing anything.

There were things I did not like about both books. In book one, the guy says that should men should not get discouraged and seek out a mistress. Instead he should date loads and loads of women and then he ups his chances for a good union. Uh why? Given the horrific failure rate with marriage, why would you want to keep with that model? Maybe men should take a page from women and look at surrogates if they want to have children and a family. You pick a woman's eggs and not all the drama that goes with it. Pay other people to raise your kid. In many cases, it is a shitload cheaper than a wife, and the kids are 100% yours. Hell, I think kids would thrive in a climate where there is no mommy-daddy drama.

In the second book and follow up videos, the author says if a guy is not a 8 in terms of looks or wealth, he should work up to being an 8 because he is going to get hurt. At least he says it is okay to "spin plates" and see multiple women before finding a girlfriend.

For the longest time I have wondered why attractive men think they own attractive women and why the American media studios emphasize it and this is it. The problem with it is that there is nothing about character, personality, and maybe a little about being a provider. I read this and it really is saying that ALL women are shallow working girls.

So sure you should pursue excellence. You should try to get into shape but it is not a zero sum game. Time at the mall picking out clothes is time you could be earning money. So for the guy who says I am going to put money into clothes so I look great, I laugh and say, "And I am going to put money into women and do better than you. " Paying for clothes is an illusion that the woman is with you for you and not your money.

There is a show called the hotter half on Netflix which measures the percentage of women who would date a guy, and I have never seen a guy move from a low score into the top 20%. I have seen a guy move looks wise from a 6 to an 8 or 2 to a 5 but a 2 to a 10? Never.

On the other hand, I think if you do the work money wise it is much more likely to pay off.

I think a much better strategy is for American guys to go to a country where they are at least 8's financially? What do you all think?

For me, I felt like I had to justify being happier with multiple SBs rather than a wife or GF. Now after looking at all this, I realize I am not missing anything.

[CarloRogue]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).

Just found this on SA. Top colleges for SB's: https://www.seeking.com/p/sugar-baby...sity-2021/usa/.

Notable that there is not a single California university on the list, while Southern New Hampshire Univ. Somehow makes the top 15. Also reinforces why Phoenix has been my best travel city to date.

[DramaFree11]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).

Midwestern you know your shit. Amazing post. You need to organize a trip to the top 3 destinations, we could get a group of guys together and have a blast. Moscow is number one for me, maybe Sau Paulo and one other destination. I can not travel over the summer, because to busy at work, but after Thanksgiving, until Feb, I have a lot of free time.

[Steve 9696]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).

Just want to say YMMV. Las Vegas 3 for 3. NYC 3 for 4. Miami 1 for 1. All 8's and up. All but one we hooked up on SA weeks in advance. So maybe I just had a lucky 2019. But the big cities been berry berry good to me.

[Elvis 2008]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

MW,

I think it has to deal with how many rich SDs there are, living expenses, and the morals of a given region. Most women only turn to being a SB out of recommendations from their friends or desperation IMO.

In my area, the women from SA want so much I do not even bother.

[Midwestern]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).

[DramaFree11]

Instead of flying the SB to you for the first date, why not fly to her? But I would only do this if she lives in a place that I would want to visit and explore. My friend lived in a place where SB supply was limited, and so he checked out cities that he always wanted to visit. The first trip, he hit if off with the SB and he had a blast. The second time, the SB flaked on him. So, he scrambled to find other dates on SA, but wasn't that successful. But at least he got to explore the city and so it wasn't a complete waste of money. He said that he would do this again, but next time he'd set up a bunch of dates first, instead of just zeroing in on one.

Agree fly to her and set up some additional meeting with other girls, but I think you are better off focusing on one city, even if it takes a little more work. In the long run the Hard Work will pay off.

[Steve 9696]

That's definitely something I plan to do more of, post-covid era, particularly some non-domestic destinations, where the pickings seem much riper, as I have found and others have reported in this thread. I travel a lot for work, mostly within the states, and have had some success on SA in second-tier cities, but struck out badly in the big cities like LA, San Fran, Denver, and Chicago. In particular, my flake percentage was a perfect 100% in LA despite many many attempts. But I'm an analyst and I think I see my errors and know how to tweak the formula to improve results. I've had the same pattern of results between developed and less developed countries on SA, the latter being much more fruitful, which just seems to make basic sense.

There was a posting a couple years back showing the cities with the highest (and lowest) ratios of SB's to SD's. Not at my fingertips at the moment. I'd love to hear everyone else's favorite sugar destinations, foreign or domestic. I'm also interested in local culture, food, architecture, art, and other travel interests, so a city with both features is ideal for me.

Yeah definitely SA can be great if you are flying in. PreCovid that was my only thing and it works great. However make sure you are taking advantage of last minute hookups. Some of these babes don't plan more than a day in advance.

My second experience ever was LA and I lined up weeks in advance this one girl I was smitten with. She was a first timer and we had an AMAZING date including a bunch of making out. But she freaked over me being married. So we didn't seal the deal and day 2 I was left high and dry. I started seeking like mad. Had one girl flake on the way to dinner. Undeterred I hit it hard and got a date for later that night. Straight to room. Same thing next night different girl. Straight to room.

In London when I needed something quickly I used the Nanpa approach "I'm going dancing in Soho tonight. Join me. " And the response rate was off the charts. Ended up snagging one of my faves that way.

So yeah I can do a bunch of planning and have a flake (hasn't happened often to me) but there are girls ready to meet up that night. Especially if you take a strong frame like the "I'm doing this. Join me. " Approach.

It’s funny but still in this day and age girls want to be led with a strong frame. They are waiting for u to ask — better yet TELL them what’s going to happen. Even the pros are this way. I don’t understand why there aren’t girls on SA like “I’m going on a date tonight. Who’s going with me?” Even the pros are waiting for u to ask. LOL.

[DramaFree11]

That's definitely something I plan to do more of, post-covid era, particularly some non-domestic destinations, where the pickings seem much riper, as I have found and others have reported in this thread. I travel a lot for work, mostly within the states, and have had some success on SA in second-tier cities, but struck out badly in the big cities like LA, San Fran, Denver, and Chicago. In particular, my flake percentage was a perfect 100% in LA despite many many attempts. But I'm an analyst and I think I see my errors and know how to tweak the formula to improve results. I've had the same pattern of results between developed and less developed countries on SA, the latter being much more fruitful, which just seems to make basic sense.

There was a posting a couple years back showing the cities with the highest (and lowest) ratios of SB's to SD's. Not at my fingertips at the moment. I'd love to hear everyone else's favorite sugar destinations, foreign or domestic. I'm also interested in local culture, food, architecture, art, and other travel interests, so a city with both features is ideal for me.

I kind had the same experience. Houston was crazy with fake profiles, and girls being addicted to Drugs or Alsohol. I finally met up with a real hot one, but very expensive. I though Austin would be much easier, but was much harder and way more expensive. Before the Covid, I was having great luck in San Antonio, who would have thought. Honestly I putting all my efforts into MTY now, maybe I will start back in S. Ant, but too busy at work,(too much driving also, not productive) I will just stick with MTY. Time will tell. Good luck.

[CarloRogue]

Instead of flying the SB to you for the first date, why not fly to her? But I would only do this if she lives in a place that I would want to visit and explore. My friend lived in a place where SB supply was limited, and so he checked out cities that he always wanted to visit. The first trip, he hit if off with the SB and he had a blast. The second time, the SB flaked on him. So, he scrambled to find other dates on SA, but wasn't that successful. But at least he got to explore the city and so it wasn't a complete waste of money. He said that he would do this again, but next time he'd set up a bunch of dates first, instead of just zeroing in on one.

That's definitely something I plan to do more of, post-covid era, particularly some non-domestic destinations, where the pickings seem much riper, as I have found and others have reported in this thread. I travel a lot for work, mostly within the states, and have had some success on SA in second-tier cities, but struck out badly in the big cities like LA, San Fran, Denver, and Chicago. In particular, my flake percentage was a perfect 100% in LA despite many many attempts. But I'm an analyst and I think I see my errors and know how to tweak the formula to improve results. I've had the same pattern of results between developed and less developed countries on SA, the latter being much more fruitful, which just seems to make basic sense.

There was a posting a couple years back showing the cities with the highest (and lowest) ratios of SB's to SD's. Not at my fingertips at the moment. I'd love to hear everyone else's favorite sugar destinations, foreign or domestic. I'm also interested in local culture, food, architecture, art, and other travel interests, so a city with both features is ideal for me.