Seeking Arrangements

[Nounce]

...Anyone else a fan of the Steve 2?

I tried it yesterday. This is my observation. I was on her right hand side. I had to put two pillows under her head to adjust the height. She used her left hand while sucking which made touching her breast difficult. What improvement should I make to make this work better?

[Steve 9696]

Have you guys seen the rates for seeking arrangement?

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...037&viewfull=1#post2512037.

It says 300 CAD for a date on seeking arrangement.

It actually could be 300-400 CAD.

On a standard seeking arrangement date you may meet the girl in your apartment get to know each other for 30 minutes then possibly have sex if both parties agree and then talk again for another 30 minutes. So you could expect 2 to 3 hours.

I'm just trying to slowly demonstrate to you guys that it's not always necessary to pay 1500 for 4 hours.

Also I know of Montral escorts that have taken trips through Canada and worldwide vacation destination with their clients. And they would never go on trips with a client that they don't trust. The client most naturally also has to be The escort's friend. They are hanging out and spending time together. And friendship implies trust.

Also I'm very well aware that they are certain individuals that pay 1500 cad. The last guy when a girl told me that he paid that much received actually the entire day. But these guys are definitely very generous. And if they took time to get to know the scene they could get more for the money. I think most of these guys are not locals. You definitely have to be a local to receive better pricing.

I'm not saying guy should be cheap. It usually the most generous guys who receive generosity from the escort. But there are some guys that pay outrageous prices and don't get what they could be getting.

Not sure who you were addressing this to. There is no guy on this forum paying 1500 for four hours. The guys here in the Seeking thread def know the game. 300-400 Sounds about right to me. US is similar. Sure girls ask 800-1000 and they get instablocked by me and the others here I am sure. Heck Elvis says don't pay them at all. LOL.

I have recently taken to treating girls I like more like a girlfriend and buying her stuff without considering it part of the "transaction". I'm viewing the PPM as the incentive for her to overlook our 30 year age difference but otherwise treat her like your girl (this is regulars and girls I spend or have spent the weekend with). Some boots. A skirt. Whatever makes their day. Logos. A website. LOL. It's really small change and the best part is that I do it because I WANT to. And guess what they give me the best experience ever after that. But it's because it's non transactional that it works so well. I expect exactly ZERO in return. But I always get way more than that.

[Gfefan]

I had this awesome SB (more like a FWB, than a SA-SB) who has started to go cold recently. And is 30+ and is now talking about missing out on having family etc. Well, it is up to her. As I see signs of her going cold sooner than later, I got back on SA and started scouting. Spoke to a few, and met with two.

S is another 30+ year old but super fit. Her legs are particularly toned which I like. We chatted for a bit on SA and then soon moved to Telegram. Fixed a meet and greet. We met at this Italian place, had some food and drinks. She was very skeptical at first but towards the end of it, I could see that she was warming up. When it came time to take her, she said she has an appointment to walk the dog of her friend. I assumed it was her polite way of saying no. I went back and started my work. But, I had a message from her that she is done with her dog walk and can come over now. I said, sure. Why not?

She came over, we chatted for a bit, finished up a bottle of Rose and things started heating up. Some kisses, some fondling, and eventually managed to slip my hands under her bra. Very firm tits. And natural. Just the way I like it. As our kisses got wetter and wetter, I carried her to the bed. Undid her panties and dived straight down. Smelled and tasted good. I could feel her wetness. And, we were ready for the act. This is where things did not go as I would have liked. She refused even a BJ uncovered. I hate it with condom and have difficulty getting it up. Somehow, we managed and after a lot of effort from her side, and half erect on my side, I managed to slide it in. While the sex itself lasted for nearly 15/20 minutes, I was still not satisfied as I did not even get a BBBJ. I'm not going to repeat her unless she agrees to a BBBJ at the minimum.

Su is a 25 year old. She is my first in the 25 or less category (I normally find it that the younger the chick, the more the focus is on money, gifts. I'm not against giving them what they want but if that becomes the primary point of concern, it takes the fun away). We met for a dinner and all went well. We had chemistry but decided not to do the deed. We again met for a lunch as she was short of money (signs of a 20+ year old behavior) for some repairs on her car. While the car repair is true (I picked her up from where it broke), I did not like the fact that she was laying that as a way to get money. I gave her 200 but again. No action. I see this as a calculated investment as I'm willing to bet sooner or later this one will be on my bed. She seems OK with BBBJ and CIM which will make this one a much more attractive option than S. But, if her talk of 'money' continues, I will not hesitate to pull the plug. 200 bucks is not a great deal to let go.

[Android2987]

Have you guys seen the rates for seeking arrangement?

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...037&viewfull=1#post2512037.

It says 300 CAD for a date on seeking arrangement.

It actually could be 300-400 CAD.

On a standard seeking arrangement date you may meet the girl in your apartment get to know each other for 30 minutes then possibly have sex if both parties agree and then talk again for another 30 minutes. So you could expect 2 to 3 hours.

I'm just trying to slowly demonstrate to you guys that it's not always necessary to pay 1500 for 4 hours.

Also I know of Montréal escorts that have taken trips through Canada and worldwide vacation destination with their clients. And they would never go on trips with a client that they don't trust. The client most naturally also has to be The escort's friend. They are hanging out and spending time together. And friendship implies trust.

Also I'm very well aware that they are certain individuals that pay 1500 cad. The last guy when a girl told me that he paid that much received actually the entire day. But these guys are definitely very generous. And if they took time to get to know the scene they could get more for the money. I think most of these guys are not locals. You definitely have to be a local to receive better pricing.

I'm not saying guy should be cheap. It usually the most generous guys who receive generosity from the escort. But there are some guys that pay outrageous prices and don't get what they could be getting.

[DramaFree11]

I have been in contact with girls from Moldova and Russia recently.

Basically I lost a lot of money. It was during Corona lock down in spring and I wanted build up a connection for the time after corona.

The girl from Russia (21 year old medical student) needed money for medical school, then the car crashed and she needed money for that. Then we prepared for a trip to Dubai in summer. I paid her plane tickets. Money for her to get the passport faster. In the end she canceled 3 days ahead because she was ill. Total damage 4000.

The other girl from Moldova received monthly payments of about 200-300. Also I had sent some clothes and received pictures of her wearing those in return.

I booked her a flight to visit me in Germany and waited three hours at the airport but she would never arrive. Total damage her 1500 or so over time.

Its a disaster and I am happy the German FKK clubs are open again.

This has nothing to do with SA. This is very bad judgment.

I must admit I have attempted to fly a girls to meet me a couple of times, it usually does not end well. Sending money to girls you have not met in person, this will end in disaster 99.9% of the time. Use common sense, try not to make the same mistake twice, do not trust,(until trust is earned), and always verify. (I need to also practice what I preach, I still get caught up in the moment and make bad decisions.)

[Steve 9696]

Had a great date with Uma earlier this week. Took her to an awesome speakeasy for some great food and drinks and then of course playtime. We spent the vast majority of our bedroom time doing what I am going to call the Steve 2. It is totally a fave but whenever I do it it seems like the girl has never done it before. So I am curious any of you tried / like this position:

You lay her on her back and kneel by her head. Turn her head towards your dick and have her suck your cock. Meanwhile reach down between her legs with your free hand and finger her. Optionally massage a breast with the other hand.

For me, fingering pussy while being blown is just a top notch thing. And there is no better position than this. It's dominant, she has amazing mouth access to both the boys and the shaft, and you don't have to contort to slips those fingers in her pussy. We musta done this for 20 minutes at least maybe more. The girls seem to love having a cock in their mouth and being fingered at same time.

Anyone else a fan of the Steve 2?

[Oneminuteboy]

Sorry to hear about your experience.

General rule is to never give money or gifts before meeting.

It works in Czech.

[Toto001]

I have been in contact with girls from Moldova and Russia recently.

Basically I lost a lot of money. It was during Corona lock down in spring and I wanted build up a connection for the time after corona.

The girl from Russia (21 year old medical student) needed money for medical school, then the car crashed and she needed money for that. Then we prepared for a trip to Dubai in summer. I paid her plane tickets. Money for her to get the passport faster. In the end she canceled 3 days ahead because she was ill. Total damage 4000.

The other girl from Moldova received monthly payments of about 200-300€. Also I had sent some clothes and received pictures of her wearing those in return.

I booked her a flight to visit me in Germany and waited three hours at the airport but she would never arrive. Total damage her 1500 or so over time.

Its a disaster and I am happy the German FKK clubs are open again.

I lost trust in SA and can not imagine this actually works in Germany and Czech / Moldova / Russia.

[WyattEarp]

So this has happened with two hookers I used to see in London. First was Melty with Diva. Total goddess. Next thing you know she is gone and posting pics of sports cars and boats from around the globe. Good for her.

Next down is Hannah. The spicy Thai wildcat. She's been posting for 6 months now from $2000/ night hotels and $500/ meal restaurants. I mean places I couldn't even afford the appetizers. And now she just posted a virtual rendering of a hair salon she hopes to open in Thailand. Wow. Landed the mega whale.

I am surprised more of these girls don't figure this out. If they are pretty and sexy they can land a guy with mega bucks and live on a yacht in the Mediterranean. Anyhow I am super happy for them and wish them the best!

It's not as easy a life as it might look for the sugar baby. I have a mega-rich friend who has a place in Malibu on the ocean. He always has what I call a Penthouse Pet quality woman living with him. They usually last about a year before he tires of them or the woman starts getting into the marriage, kids thing. Of course, he's cheating on them in the city or business trips. He always has new takers lined-up. In Los Angeles, there are always a bevy of hot women who just want to dress in nice clothes, eat at expensive restaurants and lay out at the pool.

While the girl lives with him, I get the impression she is never secure in the relationship. Duh, right. She kind of looks after him when he's home and doesn't ask too many questions about his comings and goings. Does he give them money? I presume so. I have no idea how much.

All I can say, it's always fun for me to stop over when in Los Angeles. I will likely see a 9+ knockout sunbathing topless on his deck. I will say these girls are poised, confident and generally intelligent. These women always attract a lot of attention when were out. The trick for them is landing the whale in marriage and kids. He's never married, but I think some of these women would simply be happy having a kid or two with him even if it shortly ended up in a divorce.

Steve, when you mention living on a yacht, I wonder how many hot women have been dropped off at a Mediterranean port with an envelope of cash and an abrupt goodbye.

[Midwestern]

To me, it is shocking how much more BJs that I am getting ever since I started shaving down there. I honestly think they want to do it, rather than feel like they have to do it.

My balls are kept in place and don't stick to my thighs because I wear boxer briefs. I am guessing your wear boxers.

Dood, I cannot use a blade. Itches like a mother fucker. Electrice razer is close enough for me.

So I know at least one person chimed in here and said "don't do it" and I have to admit I don't like my balls sticking to my thighs like they tend to do now. But I am thoroughly convinced my girls are giving me MUCH better ball licking and sucking action than before. As I posited I think a lot of these girls are bi and love eating pussy so a naked ball sack they can really get into. It's no longer "ah yeah some ball sucking" but really sloppy lavishing attention. The difference is noticeable.

So now to the recommendations. I tried Nair and ouch fuck. Even the gentle aloe stuff burned my balls bad. They were squeaky clean but not sure it was worth it. Always been afraid to go under the blade and nick myself but someone recommended Venus. Yes yes yes. This totally works! The big blade guards prevent angling improperly and catching a blade. Smooth sailing.

Highly recommend shaving. And with Venus. All geared up for some amazing BLS!

[Midwestern]

Some of these girls that do not hit the SD jackpot, or are not that pretty, can still do well in life. I became friends with a handful of WGs in Beijing. They are born poor, cannot get good education, are from very poor rural areas, no one gives them anything, and then later in life they may have the burden of taking care of their parents and maybe even a kid or two. And so they toil as a WG.

A typical case is a "friend" of mine, an outcall gal. For four years, she fucked about 40 guys per month, and made about $2,500 per month doing it. She eventually saved up over $100,000 and then "retired" and went back home and bought a nice condo.

I guess in some ways, I respect WGs more than SBs, on average.

So this has happened with two hookers I used to see in London. First was Melty with Diva. Total goddess. Next thing you know she is gone and posting pics of sports cars and boats from around the globe. Good for her.

Next down is Hannah. The spicy Thai wildcat. She's been posting for 6 months now from $2000/ night hotels and $500/ meal restaurants. I mean places I couldn't even afford the appetizers. And now she just posted a virtual rendering of a hair salon she hopes to open in Thailand. Wow. Landed the mega whale.

I am surprised more of these girls don't figure this out. If they are pretty and sexy they can land a guy with mega bucks and live on a yacht in the Mediterranean. Anyhow I am super happy for them and wish them the best!

[Akibono]

So this has happened with two hookers I used to see in London. First was Melty with Diva. Total goddess. Next thing you know she is gone and posting pics of sports cars and boats from around the globe. Good for her.

Next down is Hannah. The spicy Thai wildcat. She's been posting for 6 months now from $2000/ night hotels and $500/ meal restaurants. I mean places I couldn't even afford the appetizers. And now she just posted a virtual rendering of a hair salon she hopes to open in Thailand. Wow. Landed the mega whale.

I am surprised more of these girls don't figure this out. If they are pretty and sexy they can land a guy with mega bucks and live on a yacht in the Mediterranean. Anyhow I am super happy for them and wish them the best!

I think it is more about knowing how to do it and finding a target rich environment. You have to enjoy sex and being with someone older. Those gals have got game and they were motivated. Too many seem to think their looks alone is enough. The downside is these relationship do not last. Guys like variety and new. You have to be much better than average and be pleasant to be around. Divas need not apply unless your work in the agency. OTOH they have to navigate the pimp trap.

[Steve 9696]

So this has happened with two hookers I used to see in London. First was Melty with Diva. Total goddess. Next thing you know she is gone and posting pics of sports cars and boats from around the globe. Good for her.

Next down is Hannah. The spicy Thai wildcat. She's been posting for 6 months now from $2000/ night hotels and $500/ meal restaurants. I mean places I couldn't even afford the appetizers. And now she just posted a virtual rendering of a hair salon she hopes to open in Thailand. Wow. Landed the mega whale.

I am surprised more of these girls don't figure this out. If they are pretty and sexy they can land a guy with mega bucks and live on a yacht in the Mediterranean. Anyhow I am super happy for them and wish them the best!

[Steve 9696]

So I know at least one person chimed in here and said "don't do it" and I have to admit I don't like my balls sticking to my thighs like they tend to do now. But I am thoroughly convinced my girls are giving me MUCH better ball licking and sucking action than before. As I posited I think a lot of these girls are bi and love eating pussy so a naked ball sack they can really get into. It's no longer "ah yeah some ball sucking" but really sloppy lavishing attention. The difference is noticeable.

So now to the recommendations. I tried Nair and ouch fuck. Even the gentle aloe stuff burned my balls bad. They were squeaky clean but not sure it was worth it. Always been afraid to go under the blade and nick myself but someone recommended Venus. Yes yes yes. This totally works! The big blade guards prevent angling improperly and catching a blade. Smooth sailing.

Highly recommend — shaving. And with Venus. All geared up for some amazing BLS!

[DramaFree11]

Apparently, when you text "goodnight" to a gal, it means that you are tired of texting them and want to shut them down for the night, especially if it is before 11 pm. LOL.

One annoying thing that I have found with young people is that if I do not reply to their text right away, then they get mad at me or think I am ignoring them. I tell them that I do not look at my phone all the time, and they think that is totally a lie, when in fact it is the truth. And so when we get into a fight about it, I ask them if their parents look at their phones all the time, and they say of course not because their parents are old. And then I remind them that I am way closer to their parents' age than their age, and suddenly I can see the realization hit them. LOL, man.

Yes, you are correct the some are quick to get mad if you do not reply immediately, but most of the time those girls are going to be high maintenance. So it is probably for the best, just to move on.