Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Hi Steve, having read your stuff for a long time and conversed with you directly it would seem you have a lot of flexibility in your marriage. Not to get too personal, but based on your posts it seems like don't ask, don't tell.

In any event, your travels are amazing and the envy of most of us here. You have many opportunities to work your SD magic in many USA Cities and several countries.

You are right. I am living the time of my life right now. But no it's not exactly a flexible don't ask don't tell relationship. A couple things here that other marrieds might cobsider:

1. At first I was paralyzed that she might find out. But the more I thought about it I realized I'the be happier single than married at this stage. I want to keep things together "for the kids" for a couple more years. And she NEEDS me. She's very dependent on me. If things went south she's be waaaaay more fucked than I would. So it's kinda funny. I keep it private for HER sake not for mine. She's a smart girl tho. She prob knows something is up and too smart to push to hard because she knows she needs me more than I need her.

2. I work very hard to ensure all details are covered. If I say I am going out to dinner I make sure that place is open. I know the menu and "what I had". It's all made up. But she asks sometimes. Likewise I recently went in a trip and didn't actually go where she thinks I did. I took Shayla to Miami instead. But I had itinerary and hotel reservations for my pseudo location. Texted take off and landing at appropriate time zone adjusted times etc. It was a fuck load of work and very dicey at times! But totally worth the meticulous planning.

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Or maybe I'm just fucking lucky. LOL.

[WyattEarp]

It's def challenging but I was able to progress beyond the "couple of meetups". I started with a night or two when traveling in the US. And that was amazing. Then I flew Alexa to Miami (not my home) for a couple days and that was AMAZING. I started doing discreet hometown quickies like just dinner and room. Maybe 2-2. 5 hours. Then settled in on a hometown girl and did that on and off for a year. Then I met Shayla and we have progressed from that. Now she lives in an apt I own and we are like a real couple. Mind blowing. Recently flew together to Miami. Off the charts. More on that soon.

Hi Steve, having read your stuff for a long time and conversed with you directly it would seem you have a lot of flexibility in your marriage. Not to get too personal, but based on your posts it seems like don't ask, don't tell.

In any event, your travels are amazing and the envy of most of us here. You have many opportunities to work your SD magic in many USA Cities and several countries.

[Steve 9696]

That's so interesting. I have never done SD that way. It's only ever been one night in town, maybe 2.

I'm married so I don't think I could get away with hiding a long term in town SB. But it sounds amazing.

It's def challenging but I was able to progress beyond the "couple of meetups". I started with a night or two when traveling in the US. And that was amazing. Then I flew Alexa to Miami (not my home) for a couple days and that was AMAZING. I started doing discreet hometown quickies — like just dinner and room. Maybe 2-2. 5 hours. Then settled in on a hometown girl and did that on and off for a year. Then I met Shayla and we have progressed from that. Now she lives in an apt I own and we are like a real couple. Mind blowing. Recently flew together to Miami. Off the charts. More on that soon.

But yeah it can progress and progress and progress. Always another layer!

[AmericanPi]

That's so interesting. I have never done SD that way. It's only ever been one night in town, maybe 2.

I'm married so I don't think I could get away with hiding a long term in town SB. But it sounds amazing.

Obviously, because she liked his company and trusted his judgement. I have had SBs where I talked to them about their BFs all the time. Hell, with some, I would expect their wanting me to meet their BF and see if I approved. That is the daddy part of being a sugar daddy.

I was with a married SB and listened to her marital problems. Her husband would cum in < 20 seconds. She was a stunner, and I thought about pursuing more than a sugar relationship with her, but it became obvious to me that she loved him but was not sexually satisfied and so I was cool with just being her SD.

With another, she would hang out with these losers and I would listen to her talk about them. Thing is she was less good in bed when she was with them because she was not as horny, but I chastised her not on that but dating all these losers. She had super model type looks and still gave the best head I have ever gotten. Still, when she found the right guy, I kind of felt guilty seeing her and eventually broke it off. The whole point of being a SD is really doing what is best for your SB and having more than just a sexual relationship with them.

So when Luminous says his gal wanted to meet with him and not have sex, that tells me he is doing it right. He has more than just a P4 P relationship with his gal.

[Ucgdx]

Good job UCG! That is my kind of gal. And you are fishing in California? Is that right?

Yep, NorCal, where there's too many rich guys and not enough cute college girls. That's why it takes so many messages to land one good arrangement.

Attaching a pic of another former 2022 SB; she had just immigrated to the US earlier this year, so I picked her up on her first week on SA.

[KeviKev68]

My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.
I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.

My arrangements usually last a year but I have some that are semi-regular that are still on going for the past 3 years. These are a couple of arrangements I've had.

[Elvis 2008]

My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.

Good job UCG! That is my kind of gal. And you are fishing in California? Is that right?

[Elvis 2008]

The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?

Obviously, because she liked his company and trusted his judgement. I have had SBs where I talked to them about their BFs all the time. Hell, with some, I would expect their wanting me to meet their BF and see if I approved. That is the daddy part of being a sugar daddy.

I was with a married SB and listened to her marital problems. Her husband would cum in < 20 seconds. She was a stunner, and I thought about pursuing more than a sugar relationship with her, but it became obvious to me that she loved him but was not sexually satisfied and so I was cool with just being her SD.

With another, she would hang out with these losers and I would listen to her talk about them. Thing is she was less good in bed when she was with them because she was not as horny, but I chastised her not on that but dating all these losers. She had super model type looks and still gave the best head I have ever gotten. Still, when she found the right guy, I kind of felt guilty seeing her and eventually broke it off. The whole point of being a SD is really doing what is best for your SB and having more than just a sexual relationship with them.

So when Luminous says his gal wanted to meet with him and not have sex, that tells me he is doing it right. He has more than just a P4 P relationship with his gal.

[Luminous]

Well, sometimes you develop a connection with a person. I was not in love with her but I liked her as a person and I think she did too. I didn't think she was trying to squeeze a dinner out of me. It's like when you go to different city and meet an old friend, you go out for dinner, simple as that.

I am not saying I have not been taken advantage off, this just wasn't one of those.

The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?

[AmericanPi]

So true. I have SB in Medellin, few months back she found a boyfriend and told me she would love to have dinner with me but will bring her boyfriend too and no sex. I didn't make it to Medellin any so that never happened. 6 months later when I was texting her a few days back, she still has the boyfriend but is totally game to sleep with me.

The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?

[AmericanPi]

That is a fine piece of tang.

Good on you my man. Good on you. Living your life to the fullest.

My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.

[Ucgdx]

... However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.
I reside in the Nor Cal area and live a few blocks from a major university. At seems likes every year I meet a 20-22 year old junior or seniors who recently joined the site.

My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.

[Luminous]

So true. I have SB in Medellin, few months back she found a boyfriend and told me she would love to have dinner with me but will bring her boyfriend too and no sex. I didn't make it to Medellin any so that never happened. 6 months later when I was texting her a few days back, she still has the boyfriend but is totally game to sleep with me.

Don't write her off at all. Just keep a friendly tone. She will be back at the second time she feels shunned by her husband. I have three direct experiences.

A) This first girl even invited me to her wedding and I took my then current GF with me. I told GF that this girl was an ex-employee. 6 months later I get a call from the newly married girl, now with new bolt-ONS. Wanted to meet for coffee at my place as didn't want to be seen outside, had coffee then asked ot go to toiles but insisted on using my ensuite toiler so I followed her to the bedroom.

B) This next one got into a marriage and continued seeing me after abiour3 months when she realised the marriage wasn't going to work.

C) Just last Tuesday! I was screwing some sugar from 2018. She got married 2019, had a child 2020. She's screwing me again in 2022.

So for all these girls, they often return.

[AsianPursuits]

This girl texted me today that she got married and she can longer fuck me.

Sad but weirdly happy for her. No idea why.

We stay in touch but I got to be very discrete. Sex is off the table and she says money is off the table as well.

Experiencing this phase of sugar dating for first time.

Don't write her off at all. Just keep a friendly tone. She will be back at the second time she feels shunned by her husband. I have three direct experiences.

A) This first girl even invited me to her wedding and I took my then current GF with me. I told GF that this girl was an ex-employee. 6 months later I get a call from the newly married girl, now with new bolt-ONS. Wanted to meet for coffee at my place as didn't want to be seen outside, had coffee then asked ot go to toiles but insisted on using my ensuite toiler so I followed her to the bedroom.

B) This next one got into a marriage and continued seeing me after abiour3 months when she realised the marriage wasn't going to work.

C) Just last Tuesday! I was screwing some sugar from 2018. She got married 2019, had a child 2020. She's screwing me again in 2022.

So for all these girls, they often return.

[Luminous]

Great insight. I had given up on SA, everyone in South Florida was asking 400-500 and under 24 was even higher. Maybe it just takes time and patience. Will try it again.

It's been over 10 years since I've last been on the site. I started nearly 20 years ago when I made my first trip to the DR in 2003. I have been to Philippines (Cebu) , Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Tijuana and Vancouver BC. This site was always a resource for me. However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.