Seeking Arrangements

[Edk750]

Most of the top, slim, attractive, white 22-27 years old are starting to ask 500 PPM. When questioned, they will come down to 400.

Much different than in the past when 300 would be for a good one. 350 for top notch.

You're a better, stronger (and apparently wealthier) man than I am. I'm just getting started, and I can barely keep up already! Got a cute, white, brunette, "girl next door" type who is very interested into entering into an "arrangement" with The Cane! Well, she calls me by something else. "Daddy" hahaha!

Lurker here. I'm curious if the pricing discussion takes into account, not only location, but the girl and also the SD. My first uneducated guess would be that the more "conventionally attractive" girls will command higher prices, as well as the less attractive guys or minorities (in the US) have to pay more to entice the girls? This topic is fascinating for me (I'm asian-american).

Anyhow, found out about Seeking a long time ago from this forum, and have been lurking ever since. The subreddit sugarlifestyleforum has also been helpful, but they don't allow specifics of $$, which I suppose is a good thing in the big picture. Don't need a repeat of Backpage.

I've been around for a while now, and I remember in the Bay Area in the early 2000's it was around $200-$300 for top-notch providers (anyone remember sfRedBook? These days, I'm seeing prices double that or more, on sites like Tryst. 1000/ HR for the top ones, though I have not partaken. Sugaring seems like a bargain, but a different experience.

Cheers lads!

[DramaFree11]

Most of the top, slim, attractive, white 22-27 years old are starting to ask 500 PPM. When questioned, they will come down to 400.

Much different than in the past when 300 would be for a good one. 350 for top notch.

I think the days of $300 are over, but most will take $400.

[NeilGeorge]

Most of the top, slim, attractive, white 22-27 years old are starting to ask 500 PPM. When questioned, they will come down to 400.

Much different than in the past when 300 would be for a good one. 350 for top notch.

[Pessimist]

Yea sorry you stated you can get $300 in flyover states and I have no experience to map to that. So surely it is true. All my experience is in bigger coastal cities and I've found it hard to find hotties in the two second tier cities I visit.

Unlike you I experience higher post pandemic prices but that may be on me. I do not negotiate hard or at all since the girls seem to be struggling more. My economics haven't taken a hit. Actually they are better than ever so I find it hard to argue the money is better off with me than them. I mean its usually $100 thats under discussion (3 vs 4 or 4 vs 5) and if I date every other week thats only $2600/year if I cave. Honestly that really means very little to me. Def at my age experiences matter way more than money. Hey I maybe have talked myself into a new pricepoint. LOL.

From the sheer volume of sessions you seem to take (as seen in the reports), you clearly take many more girls and sessions than I do. In fact, if you are not writing up every session, your volumes may be even higher. I think you stated you are also married and I am almost tempted to ask how you manage the time / absence aspects, but that would be a prying into your personal affairs, so I won't (not unless you want to volunteer such info hehe For me personally, getting away for sessions and having to explain where I am going is the hardest impediment to more sessions. This has been especially true w / the pandemic and working from home. Business trips, client meetings, late night business dinners are all out, which means excuses are tougher to find. (but even in earlier years I had never been a super prolific user; in almost 6 years minus the pandemic time on SA, my guess is, I had sex with 70+ girls off SA; I suspect you may be doing that in a year or two).

The upside from this forced celibacy is that I can be more patient. Say in a week, I can get out for only one or two sex sessions at the most, hence there is no reason to accept every offer even after we discussed all the details and agreed on the price. I think I said in some prior post that I have full agreed deals with 15 to 20 girls but sex w / only 5 to 7 new girls in the last few months (some of those 5 to 7 were repeated). Pretty much every girl I had a deal agreed with was someone I would have been happy to fuck. On the flip side, I noticed that many girls (real ones anyway, not the scammers) are eager to get going and meet up / have a session when the discussion progresses to price point, details etc. It is almost as if they have accepted sex with a specific man mentally, which means the physical aspect of it whenever it happens is much more easy to deal with. Anyway, that is my observation and I don't know if I am clueless or if there is any truth to my theory.

For instance, there is this single mom; slim white girl, 24, sent me a few pics, looks great. She is very careful about her identity. Has a single pic on SA and that too w / shirt pulled up to cover the lower half of her face. At first she did not respond, then slowly opened up. Agreed to 300 ppm; I was supposed to meet at her place because her baby is a toddler and she has no sitter. But something came up, visit got canceled, then again something happened, I forgot for a while, etc. And then we began talking again. She is desperate for money; on her own she said I am happy to take 250. If I was mean and bargained hard, she would take 200, my guess. I am hoping to meet her soon.

[Steve 9696]

You're a better, stronger (and apparently wealthier) man than I am. I'm just getting started, and I can barely keep up already! Got a cute, white, brunette, "girl next door" type who is very interested into entering into an "arrangement" with The Cane! Well, she calls me by something else. "Daddy" hahaha!

Dude. I am watching your spin up with interest. I love that you are putting in the time and will get the reward. These guys who label it too much work have just not seen the light. You def are doing the right thing. Only difference between you and me is time. I started in June 2019. So I have 2. 5 years of reaping rewards.

As I've said before, don't cut girls loose after you see them. Keep them in the harem. Midwestern famously said once a girl fucks you she will fuck you again and he is so right. So after 2. 5 years I have girls I can see by just saying I'm coming to town in 6, maybe 7 cities. Some I have multiple choices in that city. This is just from "doing it" for a while. Nothing too magic but following the rules and putting in the time.

P.S. Are you saying you had an in person meetup with said hottie? That's exciting. Looking forward to an update.

[Steve 9696]

This is not accurate. I can personally state very definitely I am able to procure at 300 or even 250, and have done so. As I stated a few times, prices are actually lower now than they were pre pandemic. As always, location matters and the resolve of the dude matters. More patience, more search lead to better outcomes. And the girls I seek and have sex with are White, sub-25, slim girls who are pretty to me. If I wanted Latina, black girls, I'd think they may be at lower amounts but I filter out all dark skinned girls. Surprisingly, some Latinas have inflated self worth and have quoted absurdly high prices. If they are fair skinned, have no exaggerated Latino features (face or body), then they could command similar rates as White girls. But yes, 300 is absolutely doable. Not in coastal expensive cities but in the inland empire, they are feasible.

Yea sorry you stated you can get $300 in flyover states and I have no experience to map to that. So surely it is true. All my experience is in bigger coastal cities and I've found it hard to find hotties in the two second tier cities I visit.

Unlike you I experience higher post pandemic prices but that may be on me. I do not negotiate hard or at all since the girls seem to be struggling more. My economics haven't taken a hit. Actually they are better than ever so I find it hard to argue the money is better off with me than them. I mean it’s usually $100 that’s under discussion (3 vs 4 or 4 vs 5) and if I date every other week that’s only $2600/year if I cave. Honestly that really means very little to me. Def at my age experiences matter way more than money. Hey I maybe have talked myself into a new pricepoint. LOL.

[Kilkelly4u]

Haven't seen you around so the following maybe redundant if you are a lurker. But Midwestern who hosts this thread is the resident expert on Shanghai and might be a great resource for you.

Also I read in the Shanghai thread that Manhattan and Judy's are back open but maybe at least capacity. Prepandemic Manhattan was one of my favorite places on earth. Fifty Viet hotties all clamoring to make you their boy toy. Damn I loved that place. Def worth poking about and seeing current status.

Thanks very much Steve! I've been around for some time, but only started posting (in Shanghai and Hangzhou threads) a few weeks ago. As to Manhattan and Judy's, sadly it's not what it used to be: actually went there last night after the date, some 10 overcharging (but hot!) Viet's. Not nearly as much fun as 4-5 years ago.

[DramaFree11]

Your approach is way more complicated and would not work for the majority of mongers who got limited time. I doubt somebody would ever go your route setting up 2-3 meet and greets per day while on vacation or business trip, it is just not feasible. But it might work for someone who is looking for a SB in his local area, makes much more sense to invest some time in order to find a long-term arrangement.

Obviously, SW will go to your hotel / apartment, but will they provide GFE? Highly doubt it, even if the money is right. Pussycat is right, you can't compare good GFE which most Seeking girls provide vs some lousy service SW provide, it is day and night.

Again, this is not true. I am living this lifestyle. I just do not understand why you are having so much problems. You need to look at yourself and figure out what you are doing wrong. How is old guys succeed and you are having all these issue.

I just got back from MTY. The Venz. Chick flew and we spent Saturday night together. We had a great time, then Sunday after the models parents left, we were hanging out together.

[The Cane]

They all want me. That's what I keep telling myself. Yeah it's probably my wallet but a white lie never hurt anyone. Anyhow I am really having a bit of a time juggling a handful of babies both local and remote. I guess it's a good problem to have! Tho it does hurt my budget which is totally blown and well beyond.

So I just met Shayla the Cambodian hottie who I am in love with. And she wants to meetup this week as do I. Meanwhile Layla emerged from the ashes and is ready to rumble again. She wants to meet this week also. Think I can make both happen and trying to space a couple days.

Then I am booking a trip that hits two cities. Fortunately in city one I only have one girl. But in city two I have Kayla who has quit her job so I don't want to bag on her but in the meantime found a Thai girl I want to try out (kicking the no sex on first date girl to curb). So I'm going to give Kayla two nights and the Thai girl one night this round and then consider what next..

You're a better, stronger (and apparently wealthier) man than I am. I'm just getting started, and I can barely keep up already! Got a cute, white, brunette, "girl next door" type who is very interested into entering into an "arrangement" with The Cane! Well, she calls me by something else. "Daddy" hahaha!

[Steve 9696]

They all want me. That's what I keep telling myself. Yeah it's probably my wallet but a white lie never hurt anyone. Anyhow I am really having a bit of a time juggling a handful of babies both local and remote. I guess it's a good problem to have! Tho it does hurt my budget which is totally blown and well beyond.

So I just met Shayla the Cambodian hottie who I am in love with. And she wants to meetup this week as do I. Meanwhile Layla emerged from the ashes and is ready to rumble again. She wants to meet this week also. Think I can make both happen and trying to space a couple days.

Then I am booking a trip that hits two cities. Fortunately in city one I only have one girl. But in city two I have Kayla who has quit her job so I don't want to bag on her but in the meantime found a Thai girl I want to try out (kicking the no sex on first date girl to curb). So I'm going to give Kayla two nights and the Thai girl one night this round and then consider what next.

And fuck damn I have work and family and all that shit too. It's almost too stressful juggling the babies! But my dick will thank me for it. And you know what they say "Happy dick happy life!" Or maybe that's just me that says that. 😋.

[Steve 9696]

Been on SA with subscription for about a couple of weeks now, browsing through Shanghai SBs. Going on my first date tonight. Should be a M&G, could be more or I might get stood up. Wish me luck and I'll submit a report on both the date and the search experience later!

Haven't seen you around so the following maybe redundant if you are a lurker. But Midwestern who hosts this thread is the resident expert on Shanghai and might be a great resource for you.

Also I read in the Shanghai thread that Manhattan and Judy's are back open but maybe at least capacity. Prepandemic Manhattan was one of my favorite places on earth. Fifty Viet hotties all clamoring to make you their boy toy. Damn I loved that place. Def worth poking about and seeing current status.

[Pessimist]

Been on SA with subscription for about a couple of weeks now, browsing through Shanghai SBs. Going on my first date tonight. Should be a M&G, could be more or I might get stood up. Wish me luck and I'll submit a report on both the date and the search experience later!

I am less interested in details of sex and much more about details of the process. Such as: how many girls are in your area, age / attractiveness / other attributes, how many responded back to your initial message, how did the discussions proceed, pricing negotiations, range of prices quoted, how many girls actually show up to the date v how many cat fish / ghost, did you discuss sex directly or were afraid to due to local legality (isn't prostitution illegal in China and if they catch you, consequences could be dire?) and other such matters.

[Pessimist]

You can get a heavier or less attractive girl prob for that $300. But I don't know any top shelf girl in the US going for 300 these days. Maybe can get some for 4 (this seems to be the new floor) and 500 is prob more like it and you will have to work for that.

This is not accurate. I can personally state very definitely I am able to procure at 300 or even 250, and have done so. As I stated a few times, prices are actually lower now than they were pre pandemic. As always, location matters and the resolve of the dude matters. More patience, more search lead to better outcomes. And the girls I seek and have sex with are White, sub-25, slim girls who are pretty to me. If I wanted Latina, black girls, I'd think they may be at lower amounts but I filter out all dark skinned girls. Surprisingly, some Latinas have inflated self worth and have quoted absurdly high prices. If they are fair skinned, have no exaggerated Latino features (face or body), then they could command similar rates as White girls. But yes, 300 is absolutely doable. Not in coastal expensive cities but in the inland empire, they are feasible.

[Kilkelly4u]

Been on SA with subscription for about a couple of weeks now, browsing through Shanghai SBs. Going on my first date tonight. Should be a M&G, could be more or I might get stood up. Wish me luck and I'll submit a report on both the date and the search experience later!

[Elvis 2008]

I paid the $100 to message women and have been writing and sending some text messages but nothing. I have found one really hot blonde and she wanted $500 and that is above what I want. I am in Colorado so maybe it is my state. I am not sure but right now I am just going back to CDMX for now and will spend the money there.

Maybe Mexico and Mde has broken me but I am will to spend $300 but it seems a few of these chicks want an allowance and that is not what I want. I have another 2 weeks or so before my renewal hits, so if anyone has any tips I am willing to listen, but I think the chicks in the US think their pussy are made of gold and charge that.

What I would do Jbj is just forget about the USA. I would head to Mexico City and focus on women who have visas to come to the USA. About one in 2 or one in 3 women I met there had them. Establish a relationship with them. Maybe fly to Cancun or Acapulco first and then meet them here. Make sure you have plenty of photos if you are single and claim that she is your GF when she comes here. Get a debit or gift card in her name and the first time have her pay her own ticket. If you are married, I would fly your gals to somewhere in Mexico like a border town like Tijuana or Juarez that you can easily get to and hang out with her on weekends. With those towns, you can just fly to El Paso or San Diego and walk across. Walking back in San Diego is a pain in the ass but Juarez is not as bad.

I had a woman I flew from Mexico to Texas three times, paid her $500 for 3 to 5 days and fucked the shit out of her those days. Just read the federal law the Mann Act and make sure that there is no way what you are doing could be described if trafficking. I would be weary of doing this if you were married, but do all you can to show she is your GF is you are single or get her a different excuse if she is coming to the USA. It is too bad she turned out to be mentally ill. The crazy ones usually are the best fucks though.